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Just when you think you've heard all the names that could possibly fall within range of the Cowboys' 14th pick in the 2012 draft, somebody comes along and smacks you upside the head with a new name.
This week that somebody is Nolan Nawrocki of Pro Football Weekly. Nawrocki isn't just some dude with an internet access who punches out one mindless mock after another. Nawrocki is one of the big names in the business regularly delivers some of the more accurate drafts come draft time.
Well, Nawrocki just published his first mock of the season last week,and as in any mock worth noting, his contains a couple of interesting surprises, not the least of which is that he has the Cowboys picking Texas A&M quarterback Ryan Tannehill.
Obviously, it's way too early to already lock in on which names will be available when in the draft, but Tannehill at 14 does make me wonder a little bit.
After the break, we look at some of the latest mocks out there and look at whether there are some names being proposed that you may not have seen mocked to no. 14 quite as often yet.
ProFootballWeekly, 1/24/2012: Ryan Tannehill, QB, Texas A&M
Although Jerry Jones abides by a best-player-available approach, the Cowboys have seen the best of Tony Romo and will struggle to progress if they do not address the QB position soon. Tannehill does not grade out this highly but has more talent than Christian Ponder and could be pushed up draft boards considerably, given the strong need at the position leaguewide.
Football's Future, 2/3/2012: Michael Brockers, DL, LSU
There was a lot of talk about the Cowboys liking JJ Watt last year, so they could be in the market to add some youth to their defensive front. Brockers has a load of talent but is a work in progress. That likely won't scare off Jerry Jones, who has no problem going for the home run.
ESPN (Todd McShay), 2/2/2012: Janoris Jenkins, CB, North Alabama
Corner is clearly the Cowboys' top need area, and Jenkins proved at the Senior Bowl that he's still an elite cover corner after spending a year at the Division II level. Dallas will need to get comfortable with his character issues, though, including legal issues that led to his dismissal from the Florida program.
Philadelphia Eagles
Givemethe411.net, 2/2/2012: Courtney Upshaw, OLB, Alabama
The 6'2", 265-pound pass-rusher can help a quickly aging Cowboys defense instantly. Upshaw made an immediate impact at ‘Bama as a freshman and has shown steady improvement throughout his entire collegiate career. The defensive MVP of the 2012 championship game and second-team AP All-American will be able to start from the first day of training camp because of all his experience and SEC pedigree with Nick Saban’s system. ‘Bama is turning into the new Linebacker U.
He is one of the most NFL-ready players in this entire draft and will be the 2012 version of Von Miller. There is no question he is the best linebacker in the class and would be a steal for Dallas at No. 14.
NFLSoup, 1/2/2012: Nick Perry, OLB, USC
Perry has really impressed me over the last season and a half at USC. His athleticism is outstanding, and while he is still somewhat of a raw pass rusher, he will develop.
Many considered Aldon Smith to be a bit raw as well, strictly using speed at Missouri, but he stepped in immediately for the 49ers and made a huge impact.
Playing opposite of DeMarcus Ware would really help Perry make an impact from the other position outside and let him grow into a true 3-4 outside linebacker.
Dallas Cowboys Mock Draft overview (min. two rounds deep)
| Site | Date | 1st Round | 2nd Round | 3rd Round | 4th Round | 5th Round | 6th Round |
| Draft Tek | 2/1 | Dre Kirkpatrick, CB, Alabama | Brandon Washington, OG, Miami | Kheeston Randall, DE, Texas |
Keenan Robinson, LB, Texas |
Nicolas Jean-Baptiste, DT, Baylor | Charles Brown, CB, North Carolina |
| Draft Site | 2/2 | Mark Barron, S, Alabama | Kelechi Osemele, OG, Iowa State | Nick Foles, QB, Arizona | Frank Alexander, DE, Oklahoma | Philip Blake, OC, Baylor | Carmen Messina, ILB, New Mexico |
| Walter Football | 2/1 | David DeCastro, OG, Stanford | Janoris Jenkins, CB, North Alabama | Tank Carder, ILB, TCU | Michael Brewster, C, Ohio State | - - | - - |
| Mocking The Draft | 2/2 | David DeCastro, OG, Stanford | Josh Robinson, CB, Central Florida | Ben Jones, OC, Georgia | Logqan Harrell, DE/DT, Fresno State | Keenan Robinson, LB, Texas | - - |
| Sideline Scouting | 1/29 | David DeCastro, OG, Stanford | Ryan Tannehill, QB, Texas A&M |
Leonard Johnson, CB, Iowa State |
Omar Bolden, CB, Arizona State | Trenton Robinson, S, Michigan State | Darius Fleming, OLB, Notre Dame |
0 recs | 180 comments
Anyone picking a QB for the Cowboys is throwing darts
DalaiLuke - February 3, 2012
Agreed
Not sure which one I like better. It would be Sideline Scouting if they had a good CB in the 2nd instead of a QB and switched the 3rd or 4th rounder to a G/C. But at least they are giving us multi picks in the secondary. Same with Walter Football. Switch the 3rd rounder to a CB and I would like it.
Rena - February 3, 2012
yeah not sold on tank carder
matt575 - February 3, 2012 via mobile
If Weeden is there in the 4th...
I’d be willing to take a chance on him…as the backup QB. He throws a pretty dart.
White Wolf - February 3, 2012
The 4th I can almost stomach...
but honestly, is QB a priority draft? Absolutely not.
DalaiLuke - February 3, 2012
Backup QB is a priority.
I doubt you find better value in the 4th is Weeden is there.
White Wolf - February 3, 2012
Kitna retired.
If Romo goes down, we have to suffer through Stephen McGee. QB needs to be addressed.
TXHC - February 3, 2012
Agreed
but I wouldn’t address it w/ a rookie (draft pick).
Backup QB needs to be a veteran – should be fairly easy to find a suitable one to compete w/ McGee for 2nd string.
Tyrone Jenkins - February 4, 2012
I can get on board with this given how many needs we have.
But we’re going to have to start going young at the position soon to start getting somebody ready.
TXHC - February 4, 2012
by the time weeden is needed to take over for romo he will already be in his early 30's
demarcus94 - February 3, 2012
I'm not even looking at that.
I see him as a competent backup, insurance against injuries. In the 4th round you might get a backup corner, a special teams player, but with Weeden, you get someone who is already better than McGee. Someone who has already been a professional athlete. The Cowboys will probably sign an FA to backup QB, but Weeden is a possibility as well. In terms of BPA, I think he does well against the rest of the 4th rounders. There’s a good chance he’ll be there. I’m not just set on taking him there. We have to see whose available, but that’s an option worth considering. It’s cheap, it fills a hole, and if he’s the BPA, I think you take him.
White Wolf - February 3, 2012
To me a 4th round pick isn't designed to sit the bench
I like the QB FA option best. Weeden is more than we need at one position, while ignoring greater needs. Even if we were to get a OG and a Safety through FA, and go with a CB in the first round (my personal leaning), I’d still like to see the second, third and fourth go, in any order, to O-Line, D-Line and BPA defense.
No guarantee you get a contributor in the 4th; draft a QB and you’re guaranteed not to.
DalaiLuke - February 4, 2012
agreed
in the 4th round im not looking for a backup… thats for the 6-7 rounds and even then im looking for someone who could become a starter
demarcus94 - February 4, 2012
You're not getting a QB that can step in as a #2 in the 6-7 range.
Name the 4th round starters in the last 5 years. I don’t mean someone that made it after 3 years on the bench. Name (1) year-one starter from the 4th round in the last 5 years. You can’t, because there are none.
White Wolf - February 5, 2012
i dont know what your getting at
if we would take weeden in the 4th he wouldnt be a year one starter so i really have no idea what your trying to do here
demarcus94 - February 5, 2012
Why even comment if you don't know what I'm talking about?
Never said he would start. You said you wanted a starter with the 4th round pick. Round and round we go. I said backup QB in the 4th. It’s obvious you haven’t read Dalai’s and mine conversation, just replied to the most recent comment.
White Wolf - February 5, 2012
all i did was agree with dalai's most recent comment
and then you come in with a comment directed towards me that just made no sense
demarcus94 - February 6, 2012
We're getting nowhere.
However your original response was to me. This is not that big of a deal Demarcus. I think Weeden will be great value as a backup QB in the 4th round. That would fill a hole. You disagree. You want to draft a starter in the 4th round, which I don’t think you’re going to find.
Pretty much I think this conversation has run it’s course.
White Wolf - February 6, 2012
Please no, we already have one useless A&M quarterback.
T-rom - February 3, 2012
I by no means feel that Dallas should draft Tannehill
but is your argument really that since McGee hasn’t played well that Tannehill can’t play well?
Grimlock83 - February 3, 2012
McGee has played ok, but before we had Kitna so McGee would just get time in preseason games.
The fan in me wants Jones to trade up and take RGIII but I know that won’t happen.
T-rom - February 3, 2012
What is that guy thinking?
Romo is playing for the Cowboys until he retires, which is a long ways away (hopefully). The Cowboys need help NOW … not 3 to 5 to 7 years down the road.
Another Romo hater … does he even watch the games? or does he just listen to what the talking heads say every Sunday? He has ZERO credibility after that statement/pick.
Conn Cowboy - February 3, 2012
the writer is a moron, plain and simple
Terry - February 3, 2012
+1
DalaiLuke - February 3, 2012
I disagree...
Saying that the Cowboys have seen the best of Tony Romo simply implies he will not be getting better. Do you think you can sqeeze more athleticism from him? Quicker reaction time? Stronger arm? Football players are not like fine wine. They do not improve with age. This is not to say that Romo’s play is going to fall off quickly, just to say that Romo will not be a more skilled player as he gets older.
BVandy - February 5, 2012
?????
struggle to progress??? This writer is an idiot…..he has gotten better every year… SMH
rick67 - February 3, 2012
I dont think Upshaw is really a steal at 14
But Nick Perry? I could live with that. I still prefer Chandler Jones in the 2nd-3rd, he will be special.
matt575 - February 3, 2012 via mobile
I agree
If we pick DeCastro, Jenkins or Dre in the first, I’d be fine with Jones in the second, especially if we sign Nicks in FA.
pfloyd1 - February 3, 2012
Upshaw is better then Perry anyday
people underestimate Upshaw & he’ll be a great player for any team who drafts him.
DCNation73 - February 3, 2012
or he'll be another Spencer
Terry - February 3, 2012
Perry is more athletic and more productive
He actually played against better offenses than what you see from the SEC. The SEC QBs and Olines might as well play in the special olympics.
Rohpuri - February 3, 2012
Tyler Wilson objects to that statement.
Rena - February 3, 2012
Really Rohpuri? Maybe you have some subjective opinion about another conference
… but don’t let it cloud your objectivity about the perennially best conference in college football.
DalaiLuke - February 4, 2012
the more i read/watch upshaw the more i see spencer 2.0, id take ingram and probably perry over him anyday
demarcus94 - February 3, 2012
now/potental
I agree Upshaw is the better play as of right now but he is close to reaching his ceiling already where as Perry can keep growing in the pros… And comparing him to Von Miller doesn’t make sense at all, those two have totally different styles of play…
krummdiddy - February 4, 2012
not this year
Unless he just blows everybody away at the combine or otherwise between now and then… That 2nd round pick can be used for other positions than a developmental QB. First round? I can’t even entertain the thought
P.N.Westernboysfan - February 3, 2012 via iPhone app
does Jenkins slip to the second round?
For me he’s the clear pick at #14 if not for the baggage. That being said, if he falls to us in the second that’s a gift. So I like Walter’s take on it. I take DeCastro either way.
P.N.Westernboysfan - February 3, 2012 via iPhone app
I think it depends on how he interviews at the combine. That can go a long way
ol nasty - February 3, 2012
not a question of ability with Jenkins
All the other attributes have to check out for us to take him with our 1st pick. Don’t think he slips to far past that at the same time because of that ability
P.N.Westernboysfan - February 3, 2012 via iPhone app
Saw an interview with him recently.
He admitted he made a big mistake. It means little, but at least Janoris Jenkins knows he blew it. He’s going to convince some NFL team to take him early.
White Wolf - February 3, 2012
I saw that same video
seems like he is maturing
Archie Barberio - February 3, 2012
I dont like his size
and if the character issues are still there I would def pass
Antonio S - February 3, 2012
Agree, 5'9" and issues = a pass.
DIRE WOLF - February 3, 2012
You draft a QB high when
Romo is just about done, which is at least 2-3 years away.
Assuming the OL is addressed in free agency, Nick Perry would certainly upgrade the rush. I think he’s a weak side player; would you be comfortable playing him at ROLB and moving DeMarcus to LOLB in the base D? That said, I’m coming around to the thought that Upshaw is the safest choice at 14—at worst he’s a cheaper Spencer clone, but likely more of an impact player.
Then draft DBs rounds 2-4 to fill some of the spots to be vacated by Newman/Ball/Walker/Elam(?).
DB23 - February 3, 2012
We already have Spencer on the roster
If you want a cheaper player to replace Spencer, go after Vinny Curry in the second round.
Rohpuri - February 3, 2012 via mobile
We actually don't have Spencer on the roster.
ary201 - February 3, 2012
Technicalities
He’s a free agent
Rohpuri - February 3, 2012 via mobile
I questioned the pick of Tannehill
last week. On some boards he is still only early second round. If the Cowboys are sold on
any of the quarterbacks in this draft, does it mean they are ready to move on from McGee ? How high would they draft one?
oldboysfan - February 3, 2012
McGee isn't the answer. He should have been cut last year.
In a trade down scenario where Dallas ends up with second round picks (and a first). If Tannehill is there I draft him. He still needs a lot of polish. He would have a few years to hone his craft. This would benefit both Dallas and Tannehill. Dallas needs to make sure they have set themselves up to have a qb ready for when Tony retires.
Perry will rise at the combine. One thing for sure Dallas has so many holes they could just BPA across the board and find a starter in the first and second round.
football mensa - February 3, 2012
What if we took Foles in that scenario?
Rohpuri - February 3, 2012 via mobile
Tannehill is better than Foles.
I wouldn’t spend a second on Foles. I would with Tannehill.
Aaron Murray, Tyler Bray and Cam Newton say hello from the sec.
football mensa - February 3, 2012
If Tannehill falls to 36-
Maybe
Green Bay was smart enough to recognize talent when Aaron Rodgers fell even though they had Favre on the roster.
But at 14 it seems like Tannehill isn’t a steal.
Mojoness - February 3, 2012
Tannehill isn't in the same class of QB as Rodgers
Rohpuri - February 3, 2012 via mobile
rodgers
rodgers wasn’t that great in college either, he couldn’t beat out Alex Smith for the number one QB drafted…
krummdiddy - February 4, 2012
Rodgers said he had to relearn the qb position in the pros.
He has admitted his footwork was horrible. Kudo’s for him for improving his game.
football mensa - February 4, 2012
I wouldn't be surprised if Tannehill isn't there in the second.
I have read several scouting reports saying his is the 3rd best QB in the draft, and with how many teams need a QB, I could see him getting picked up in the 1st.
Grimlock83 - February 3, 2012
If we pick a QB I think we'll pick Foles or hoefully Cousins.
pfloyd1 - February 3, 2012
I want Osweiler
As long as we can get him in the 4th or 5th
InkedKing - February 3, 2012 via Android app
I really like Oswiler
But I also like Foles and Cousins. I’d take any of them.
soonercowboy14 - February 3, 2012
Osweiler
His arms are to long to be able to get the ball out fast… there is a reason there has never been a QB that tall…
krummdiddy - February 4, 2012
I like Foles more than Cousins
Cousins did less with a better supporting cast.
ary201 - February 3, 2012
Foles
I’m not that impressed with his arm, and he has a slow delivery…
krummdiddy - February 4, 2012
What round was Romo drafted in??
I think we should do the same tactic that got us Romo.Bring in three or four undrafted QBs and see what we can find.Nothing to lose everything to gain.
As was stated above the only pressure this year may be to find a veteran QB to back up Romo.There has to be someone out there besides McNabb.
These mocks are a fun exercise for us draftnics but really don’t mean a thing untill after the combine.(Example:Coples looked so good in the Senior Bowl because the guy trying to block him was so bad.)
TCB Orange Dino - February 3, 2012
This works once every 15 years.
That is a horrible way to plan for you qb of the future.
football mensa - February 3, 2012
We were extremely lucky we found Romo
Undrafted QBs go undrafted for a reason
Antonio S - February 3, 2012
Did you see Lissyyyy's post about a possible UDFA QB we should look at a couple of days ago? Here is a video about him from youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxDJb03a0yo
Rena - February 3, 2012
I'm sold.
Let’s take a flyer on him.
TXHC - February 3, 2012
I say we take him
If he doesn’t work out he can still do half time shows!
Seeing as to JJ always is on the lookout to improve his product….
That’d be a heck of a cool show too
Elks83 - February 4, 2012
His accuracy is amazing. Almost 70% and great arm strength to.
Rena - February 4, 2012
beware the "youtube" sensationalism
I know a jr high kid throws much the same – has a similar video…
The tried and true way to tell if a kid can play is to watch him play (through ENTIRE games). And, that is games against quality opponents.
Youtube needs the proper disclaimer “For entertainment purposes only.”
Tyrone Jenkins - February 4, 2012
He won a lot of awards in college, including the top player in DIII, O player of the year more than once, etc.
http://www.d3football.com/seasons/2011/contrib/20120201mugnot
According to Wes Bunting he is at the top of the list of those that helped themselves most in the all star classic this week.
And I would like to see a video of a 12 year old that can throw a football like this, 60-70 yards hitting the uprights and crossbar in order, etc.
Rena - February 4, 2012
If you canburn a 7th on Chapas , you can burn one on Tanney.
WHo knows maybe he becomes Matt Flynn.
football mensa - February 4, 2012
Yeah.
I don’t even care if he can scramble. Just beef up the O-line and let him stand there and be a sniper from the pocket.
TXHC - February 4, 2012
awesome
wouldn’t it be awesome if there was a program like draft simulator where you could put in dallas’ needs and player tendencies and it would give you different scenarios of what dallas might do? or we could plug in who we think dallas will pick up in the draft and fa, and the program would give us a prediction of dallas’ season.
maxdout - February 3, 2012
Are you being sarcastic?
if not, Look here. it is called the ODS (Online Draft Simulator)
I am Ironman!!! - February 3, 2012
i just ran that simulator
and this is what it cam up with for Dallas:
1) Dre Kirkpatrick CB
2) Brandon Washington OG
3) Kheeston Randall DE
4) Brandon Lindsey OLB
5) Nicolas Jean-Baptiste DT
6) Ryan Steed CB
7) Markus Zucevics OT
rick67 - February 3, 2012
That... would actually rock
sign a real Center and find a midlevel CB to fill out the secondary
AustonianAggie - February 3, 2012
kheeston randall
I don’t see him fitting in a 34 in less he adds some weight and plays the nose…
krummdiddy - February 4, 2012
I just ran a sim in which I put Dallas in the #1 overall draft spot, (switching with Indy).
They have Dallas taking Dre Kirkpatrick with the #1 overall pick. The rest of the top 10 stays exactly the same. Then, Seattle takes Andrew Luck with the 11th overall pick. (Note, this means that Cleveland would still take RGIII at #4). Indy gets Alfonzo Dennard at #14.
That’s funny.
jazzbo251 - February 3, 2012
You have to change the priority codes . . .
if you want a different result . . . the ODS will take the PC’s I put in for the CMD if you don’t.
Long Ball - February 3, 2012
there's something wrong with that system
Dennard IS NOT the 14th best player in the draft, and Cleveland if given the choice, would take Luck over RGIII, as he’s the complete player (as of now, with both being extremely talented), as he played in the WCO at Stanford, same offense being run by Cleveland.
Rohpuri - February 3, 2012 via mobile
well two things
it is based on Drafttek’s “Big Board”…..and the codes are confusing at first….I suggest reading the fact sheet they have (located upper left surrounded by green lines)
Read it multiple time if you have to as it tells you the “logic” behind the system.
Once you understand that, the system is actually really good…..
I am Ironman!!! - February 3, 2012
writer for ProFootball Weekly is a moron
Absolute zero percent chance the Cowboys take a qb at 14….I like Mocking the draft mock best
Terry - February 3, 2012
Pro Football Weekly is a respected publication
We do need a QB, but at 14 it’s a stretch. The only way Jerry and Jason take a QB at 14, is if 13 teams don’t take Andrew Luck.
Rohpuri - February 3, 2012 via mobile
Agreed.
I think the backup qb is already in the league.
King Man - February 3, 2012 via mobile
Im in for tannenhill in second round
orli - February 3, 2012
It is not like Jerry to plan for 5 years down the road
QB in the first round or second round? Sorry, he’s gonna try to make the team good enough to win it all next year, and the year after that, and the year after that.
LG4DC - February 3, 2012
I highly doubt we take a QB in the draft
Im thinking we take a QB in FA.
Antonio S - February 3, 2012
If Cowboys do take a qb this year, it will be in the mid to late rounds
to give McGee some competition in camp
Terry - February 3, 2012
Yeah...IF
Antonio S - February 3, 2012
If not for a clustyerfrick
undrafted Matt Moore would have been our backup Qb.
Or we could have traded him for some choice draft choices like the Pats did Cassel and philly did Kolb.
TCB Orange Dino - February 3, 2012
Cowboys thought they could sneak him into the PS
but obviously they were wrong.
Antonio S - February 3, 2012
I think
They are starting to learn Not to do that with how they promoted Holmes to the roster since it was rumored someone was interested in him.
Final Frame - February 3, 2012
Sad..
they were this close to having the luxury of a “White” to come right in after “Staubach” retires.
LG4DC - February 3, 2012
Follow the Giant plan
NY wins with a dominant front. Dal needs a DL that can put pressure on the QB. Right now pressure comes exclusively from Ware
CapitalT - February 3, 2012
Amen
I think good corners and great rushers are better than great corners and good rushers
King Man - February 3, 2012 via mobile
I do not understand the Nawraocki pick at all
He has Ryan going to a team that does not have a need for QB and bypassed Miami and Washington who both need a QB badly. While I think Ryan is a second pick I could see some having him go in the first to a Washington or a Miami even with his foot injury. I watched Ryan play in high school and played against his dad Tim in high school and college and think the world of the kid.
Birddog26 - February 3, 2012
Agree
It would make no sense for Dallas to draft a QB in the first round when Romo is a top 5 QB coming off his best season and is still fairly young. Hes got at least another 4 seasons if they can keep him up. Now they should definitely look for a backup in later rounds if they dont bring in a veteran in free agency.
JerrysWorld - February 3, 2012
I like Jenkins in the second, but he'll be gone.
I’d love Ben Jones in the third and Leonard Johnson in the third, but that would be highway robbery, if, as Mayock thinks, he’s more highly rated than Dre.
pfloyd1 - February 3, 2012
We should be getting an extra 4th rounder
Since we lost Stephen Bowen to the Skins, Picking up a QB with that extra pick wouldn’t be such a bad thing.
Antonio S - February 3, 2012
Another aggie QB? Hell NO!!!!!!!!!
Cowboy Curtis - February 3, 2012
Looooooooooooooooooool
First, who the…what the heck is GiveMethe411.com?
“and (Courtney Upshaw) will be the 2012 version of Von Miller.”
Lol, what? Upshaw and Von Miller are nothing alike.
[smh]
Phillyboijr - February 3, 2012
Well at least we agree there.
Omar Little - February 3, 2012
Walter Football's mock tightened my pants
If that’s the draft Mensa has to kiss JJ on the mouth. Full tongue.
Omar Little - February 3, 2012
Using Omar's tongue of course !
football mensa - February 3, 2012
a couple observations
1) If we go pass rusher in the 1st, the Boys are more likely to take Ingram and Perry than Upshaw-no burst, short, short arms-No thanks. Upshaw ISNOT the next coming of Von Miller.
2) Ryan Tannehill, WILL NOT be a Dallas Cowboy. Also, he’s not the next Aaron Rodgers, just cause Tanne had some nice stats last year doesn’t mean he will magically play like Rodgers at the next level. Rodgers cam from a pro offense in juco and at Cal. I hate to hurt your feelings Aggie fans, but Tannehill will not be a star in the NFL, he has career backup written all over him.
Me, I’d rather have Nick Foles, that kid can play, and a couple years as Tony’s backup would be plenty of time to fix his footwork, and fine tune his mechanics.
3) I’ll be shocked if Jenkins falls to the second round.
4) OCC, the mock drafts you have us voting on were the same ones from last week.
Rohpuri - February 3, 2012 via mobile
I agree
With #1….I like ingram….i just picture Ware, Lee, Carter, and Ingram as Dallas’s LB’s…that would be a great set of LB’s IMO
rick67 - February 3, 2012
How many more wins will that give the team over Spencer?
I don’t think it’s that many. Whereas if you replace Newman with Dre Kirkpatrick or Akrin/Nagy (well Koiser this year) with DeCastro I think that’s a much much bigger improvement.
Omar Little - February 3, 2012
+1
DCB* - February 3, 2012
I agree
All I said was, if this team goes pass rush in the first round-I don’t think they will
Rohpuri - February 3, 2012
Oh I know
I’m just saying to the guy that’s excited about that LB corps…I mean how good would a player have to be in order to be a tangible upgrade over Spencer?
Omar Little - February 3, 2012
He'd have to be really good
Rohpuri - February 3, 2012
All you can do is rate both rookies individually all prospects
and pick the better of the two. No sense in asking yourself is X player that much better than who we have on the roster, unless they just drafted the rostered player or something. If they say rated Ingram as a 80 and Kirkpatrick as a 75 and they’re both there, take Ingram, even if Spencer comes back cheap.
They are both needs and you have a number of other picks to get secondary help.
ary201 - February 3, 2012
I agree with BPA and if the difference is clear.
Lets say Ingram is a 80 and Dre’s a 78 or 79? Should they still take Ingram?
Omar Little - February 3, 2012
If we get Spencer back then no, you take Dre, just based off the scenario you posed. IMO
Heres a good article on that: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/nfl-draft/2006/draft-position
I also posted it in the Fanshot section good read although dated (2006) still very relevant.
DCB* - February 3, 2012
victor butler
i would rather him play then spencer… more natural pass rusher and more explosive…
krummdiddy - February 4, 2012
The mock drafts are not the same as last week (here’s last week’s version). You are right that they are from the same sites, only Sideline Scotuing is new, but every site published a new mock this week. Perhaps you felt the Walter football mock was familiar, and it is, as they only changed the fourh-rounder versus last week.
One.Cool.Customer - February 3, 2012
Yeah, the Walter Football mock threw me off
Rohpuri - February 3, 2012
i disagree about Upshaw & fully expect him to be a great player for some team
Ingram isnt the tallest, longest or proto type OLB so hold the harsh judgement lol
DCNation73 - February 3, 2012
Ingram has the burst that Upshaw lacks
Rohpuri - February 3, 2012
I can't wait until after FA...
…when we REALLY know what the needs will be heading into the draft!
D Rock 76 - February 3, 2012
Agreed
Lets see what dallas does in march….that will set the tone for the Draft
rick67 - February 3, 2012
Yup, until FA and the combine we are just spitting into the dark.
Rena - February 3, 2012
I say we take Frank Alexander in the 3rd
Even if it is a reach. Then we take Kirk Cousins in the fourth and trade for another fourth to get Jamell Fleming.
soonercowboy14 - February 3, 2012
Why isn't there a thread; "Who could we trade?"
Seem to many taboo topics on BTBs.
Cwon1 - February 3, 2012
I would like to see that, it would definitely bring up some good debate.
But anybody worth trading on our roster will probably retire on it or released when they no longer have value. Seems to be the way they handle it in the FO, they might like being the last one holding the bag on these players. I have hope that SJ and JG can change that.
DCB* - February 3, 2012
Tannehill could be our Wes Welker
he’s #5 all time in Aggie Receptions, as well as a talented QB prospect
AustonianAggie - February 3, 2012
better at wr
I thought he was the best wr on the team even with jeff fuller getting all the attention… but lest not compare him to welker, one is 5’8 and the other 6’4…
krummdiddy - February 4, 2012
I voted for Drafttek
because Walter Football has Dallas landing 2 #1 picks.
I mean i could have a mock where Dallas gets Dre Kirkpatrick and David DeCastro too…
I guess Walter Football doesn’t see Janoris Jenkins rising to mid1st round
AustonianAggie - February 3, 2012
I laughed when I read Walter Football the other day and saw that
Archie Barberio - February 3, 2012
Ehhh...
Players fall all the time for weird reasons. Da’quan Bowers fell pretty far last year. Maybe everyone is scared of Jenkins’ character concerns. He’s really an odd case, he seems like he’s trying to make up for his character concerns but he did get kicked out of the Florida program.
Omar Little - February 3, 2012
Dez had less character concerns than Janoris and look how far he fell.
football mensa - February 3, 2012
Fewer*
But yeah good point Mensa. Look at that, Mensa’s being more positive than Chia! End of the world might not be that far away after all.
Omar Little - February 3, 2012
its not about being positive
its about not being dumb as Walter Football
Janoris Jenkins will not fall to the 45th pick in the 2nd round
Archie Barberio - February 3, 2012
and that was a shot at Walter Football, not anybody else
walter football is like bleacher report, a joke
Archie Barberio - February 3, 2012
WF > BR
Walter Football doesn’t take themselves anywhere near as seriously as BR, they know who and what they are. Even then they’ve been around lots of drafts and the guy that runs that site clearly has no life whatsoever at all. So I think it’s a good perspective. Definitely worth a ballpark look.
Omar Little - February 3, 2012
Ehhh...probably not.
It depends on his interviews, his workouts, and everyone else’s interviews and workouts. Who would take him in the first besides Dallas? Baltimore is the only team that I can think of, say they take Vontaze or go to replace Ben Grubbs? I don’t think it’ll happen either, but categorically dismissing it isn’t something I’d be willing to do.
Omar Little - February 3, 2012
I think the bengals would love to get him
Archie Barberio - February 3, 2012
Yeah forgot about those guys.
Maybe they’re turning a new leaf with character guuys. However, even though the dude’s talent is sick there’s only a handful of teams that are friendly to character concerns. Mike Adams or Kelechi Osemele may rise to the top 20. Peter Konz is another guy the Bengals might look at. While I’ll agree that it’s not likely, I can easily see him falling to the 2nd.
Omar Little - February 3, 2012
Janoris is one of those guys that could swing to the extreme either way.
I don’t see Jenkins lasting to 45. No way. Good cb’s are harder to find than wr’s. I think Jenkins will go in the mid to late 20’s if Dallas doesn’t draft him.
Any one wanna see Richardson go to the Lions ? What if they made a trade up for him. Yowza that would be a dominating offense. If you’re Dallas would you make the trade if Richardson fell to 14 ?
football mensa - February 3, 2012
Depends on what's still available, what they're offering, etc...
TXHC - February 4, 2012
Lol on the grammar
I nail guys on that one all the time!
King Man - February 3, 2012 via mobile
Look how far Mallett fell last year with only rumors of drug use and character concerns.
From the 1st to the 3rd.
Rena - February 3, 2012
Mallett's talent < Janoris Jenkins't talent
Tyrone Jenkins - February 4, 2012
That is your opinion, however Mallett is a QB which is the most overvalued position on the field.
Rena - February 4, 2012
If Janoris Jenkins is available at #45 . . .
I’ll send Walter Football any bottle of single malt scotch they want! Unrealistic, might as well have Dallas drafting Andrew Luck in the 2nd round.
Long Ball - February 3, 2012
LOL
Archie Barberio - February 3, 2012
i believe Dallas moves up in the 1st round & draft Claiborne at CB
Dallas wouldn’t hesitate to take J.Jenkins in the 2nd round if he fell that far but if not then i expect them to draft a pass rusher.
or they draft a pass rusher in the 1st & take Jenkins or another CB in the 2nd.
DCNation73 - February 3, 2012
Claiborne isn't worth trading up for
He might be the best CB prospect in this draft, but he’s no Patrick Peterson.
Terry - February 3, 2012
Terry correct. Claiborne is better than Peterson at this stage of their careers.. PP7 is a better punt returner.
Mo has better cover skills.
So I agree he isn’t PP7.
football mensa - February 3, 2012
I'd rather have Claiborne
Rohpuri - February 3, 2012
Peterson would benefit from switching to FS, mutch like Antrelle Rolle benefited
Their coverage skills are similar. Both guys can make plays on the football, but neither are lock down guys.
Rohpuri - February 3, 2012
that wouldn't shock me
Archie Barberio - February 3, 2012
Patrick Peterson is the best CB
younger than Derelle Revis, I think. And he covers very well. He, seemed to me, completely swamped Dez
AustonianAggie - February 3, 2012
His advanced stats and coverage rates for the whole year were pretty bad
He’s young so it’s possible that he improved towards the end fo the year, but his coverage rates aren’t anywhere near Leon Hall or Cortland Finnegan let alone Revis.
Omar Little - February 3, 2012
I hadn’t looked at those — nor did I watch him all season — he did stick to Dez though and it was a game Miles Austin would of really helped in
AustonianAggie - February 3, 2012
Peterson is guy who likes to play the ball
That’s what I want from my FS.
Rohpuri - February 3, 2012 via mobile
I actually thought Dez had a good game against him, nothing spectacular but I thought he had a solid game
slant for a TD, smoked him and that huge 3rd down conversion
Archie Barberio - February 3, 2012
Peterson got beat by him and Crabtree
Rohpuri - February 3, 2012 via mobile
much*
Rohpuri - February 3, 2012 via mobile
No thanks.
This is a good, deep CB class, why in the world would we throw away 1/2 our draft to get 1 guy slightly better than the others.
Rena - February 3, 2012
half our draft
why would it cost that much to go up a few spots…and with jerry making picks how valuable is a pick anyways??
krummdiddy - February 4, 2012
You are talking about moving up from 14 to the top 5. Yeah, it would cost a lot.
Rena - February 4, 2012
+1
Fernie67 - February 4, 2012
they will definitely try... if they can't get the best corner they might be picking an OLB
scraig - February 3, 2012
Why not take the "all encompassing approach"
Teams don’t look to drafting just one person for each round (like a mock draft). They have a range of people they would like at whatever spots they have as well as a listing of picks they would give up (or acquire) for any trades presented. For example, the Boys just might have Luck, Blackmon, Reiff, DeCastro, Upshaw, Kirkpatrick, Claiborne and Kuechly as players they would take at 14. If none of those guys are available, then a trade down is preferred to drafting someone not on their board for that range.
Same thing for each round – a range of guys are put up on the board; the later the round, the bigger the range.
Now, for trading, lets say the Boys have Jenkins as the 20th best player on the board and the draft is now selecting the 25th pick. It’s obviously worth it to the Boys to try and trade up to get Jenkins but that all depends on the cost of the trade. Is Jenkins worth trading up from 45 to 25? The Boys will look at their board and determine if any of the guys they have in each round range are worth bypassing for Jenkins. If the Boys go DeCastro and then Jenkins, picking up another O lineman in the 4th probably isn’t necessary…
Keep in mind that ALL THIS will occur after free agency – some of the Boys needs will be addressed then.
Tyrone Jenkins - February 3, 2012
Walter Football and it's not close.
Add those first 4 picks, sign Mario Williams and Tyvon Branch, and I don’t even really care what the rest of the draft looks like. Just find some good depth and a solid QB prospect to compete with Stephen McGee.
TXHC - February 3, 2012
is it just me?
or has Walter Football taken Draftek’s spot? I remember last year Draftek was just spanking every other mock in terms of votes……
I am Ironman!!! - February 3, 2012
Good observation.
Draftek won almost all of these ‘contests’ last year. This year, Water Football is 4-0, but that’s because they’ve stuck with popular fan favorite DeCastro in all four mocks and have added Janoris Jenkins in the second round in three of their mocks – nt a very realistic assessment and an obvious attempt to get a leg up over Drafttek in our contest.
Long Ball from Drafttek is already screaming bloody murder :-) and if Walter don’t change their mock next week, I won’t include them anymore.
One.Cool.Customer - February 4, 2012
That wouldn't be fair OCC.
They remain steadfast in their mock drafts in regards to Dallas. Just because the other mocks jump around doesn’t make them better. I am not high on the 3rd rounder by Walter Football but those first 2 picks would be a serious upgrade for Dallas.
I don’t want to see Tank Carder in Dallas at all. We drafted a whole bunch of Carder’s in the 09 draft.
football mensa - February 4, 2012
They can’t keep mocking Janoris Jenkins as a second rounder. That is all.
One.Cool.Customer - February 4, 2012
I think the Boys will trade back into the 1st
If Jenkins is avail around 25-30 range.
If so, is the mock actually correct about Dallas drafting him (even if it’s 20 picks earlier)?
Tyrone Jenkins - February 4, 2012
God I hope not
We’re not 2 players away, we’re 10. We need to be picking good players up and down the draft board, not trading picks for 2 guys.
Blue Eyed Devil - February 4, 2012
I don't know about 10.
Maybe 5-6. 2 can be free agents. That means we need to hit (like REALLY hit a home run and get legit starting NFL players) on 3-4 picks. We need to do whatever we can to take premium talent at our positions of need.
TXHC - February 4, 2012
As a TCU fan I wouldn’t pick Tank as a 3-4 OLB- he’s great in coverage and a tackling machine but I just don’t think he’s big enough to take on the bigger dudes that the 3-4 forces the LBs to have responsibility for. He’s a lot more of a Dat Ngyuen type- he’d thrive in a 4-3.
HawkeyedFrog - February 3, 2012
Dennard could be a decent pick at 14, and he was more impressive than Prince when he was there
Also, sounds like this year they didn’t dare throw his way, shutdown corner?
scraig - February 3, 2012
No, he isn't.
He can’t keep up with the big WR’s. He had to pick a fight in his last game to get both of them thrown out as he knew he couldn’t match up. ATM he isn’t even looking like a 1st rounder.
Rena - February 4, 2012
Naw nah naw...
Naw… Rocki-head is off by a mile.
Cuban Cowboy - February 4, 2012 via mobile
GIANTS model to rebuild/tweak this team......right now
Jerrah should sign Carl Nicks (OG), Mario Willliams (DE) or Calais Campbell (DE), and Paul Soliai (NT). With Carl Nicks on the OL and Mario or Calais and Paul added to our DL, we’d SEE a drastic improvement to our PASS RUSH and RUN DEFENSE!!! Dallas would ONLY have to draft a decent CB or two (i.e. Janoris Jenkins and Trumaine Johnson) and backup stud RB like Terrance Ganaway (6’1" 241lbs/3rd & short/goal-line battering ram) in the DRAFT and pay them at the Rookie Pay Scale rate.
Pacerman - February 6, 2012
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