As I was clicking through stories about the Kansas City Chiefs signing Stanford Routt yesterday, I stumbled over a report from the Associated Press that had this little nugget buried in the middle:
Routt spent several days in Kansas City before choosing the Chiefs over competing offers from Buffalo, Cincinnati, Houston, New Orleans, Minnesota and Tennessee.
Conspicuously absent from that list: your Dallas Cowboys.
Just last week, news reached us via the NFL Network's Jason La Canfora that free agent CB Stanford Routt would visit the Cowboys later in the week. Apparently, La Confora's sources were wrong about Routt taking a trip to Dallas. But the fact that players or their agents name-drop or even use Dallas to ostensibly drive up their price or bargaining position is nothing new.
You probably remember the Nnamdi episode in training camp last year. You may also remember when Julius Peppers, Ray Lewis and Chad Ochocinco hit free agency a couple of years ago. All of them said they wanted to play for the Cowboys at the time. In hindsight, it's fairly clear that throwing the Cowboys into the ring as potential suitors was little more than an attempt to gain leverage heading into free agency.
Okay, so Dallas may have gained just the slightest reputation over the years for handing out big paydays to free agents. But is that enough to lure free agents to Dallas?
There's a common belief among many NFL fans that the only thing that counts for free agents are the numbers on the contract they sign. And recent comments by the Lions' Cliff Avril for example, indicate that that may well be a common sentiment among free agents:
"There’s no such thing as a hometown discount in the NFL," Avril said, via the Detroit Free Press. "Once you can’t play anymore, they’re going to let you go, so you definitely have to strike gold when you can."
But is that really all the free agents are looking at? Here are some of the most frequent non-monetary reasons given for signing a contract with a given team:
The appeal of a star player, team or coach: Like it or not, the Philadelphia Eagles, and perhaps Michael Vick in particular, are a team and a player that many players are attracted to. Many players have stated publicly that they'd like to play with Vick, some even went and got his autograph after a game. Last year's Eagles free agent haul was possible, in part, because those players liked the idea of playing for the Eagles and were willing to structure their contracts accordingly.
A very recent example of a player wanting to play for a specific coach is the Rams' Brandon Lloyd, who stated that he would like to be reunited with Josh McDaniels in New England:
"I would like to entertain that and see where that goes. I’ve made no bones about that," Lloyd said. "I’ve been very successful in Josh’s offense. I admire Tom Brady. I admire what that organization has done. I admire that organization and how they run things over there. I’d definitely be interested in hearing how I could possibly fit into that equation."
Playing for a contender: Offensive guard Brian Waters was a hot topic as a potential free agent acquisition for the Cowboys last offseason - at least among many fans. According to Waters, he and the Cowboys did have some 'minor conversations' but those didn't really lead anywhere.
Instead, he signed with the Patriots. Here's why:
"Once the decision was made for me to leave Kansas City, the target was definitely going to be on teams that I felt had a chance to be in this game," Waters said Sunday at the first media session of Super Bowl week. "This was definitely the focal point for me."
Chance for more playing time or stuck behind an elite and/or high-cost player: You can think what you want about a player like Martellus Bennett, but sometimes your position on a roster behind a multiple Pro Bowler like Jason Witten dictates your role:
"Sometimes I get stuck in a role of block, block, block and I get criticized a lot because I don’t catch a lot of balls," Bennett said, ignoring the fact that he’s dropped a lot of balls. "But my role on this team has been to pass block and run block. I’m just thankful to make some plays when I got the opportunity."
And whether Bennett will play a bigger role anywhere else remains to be seen, but you can't blame the guy for wanting to:
"I feel like I am a guy that can start for a lot of teams in the NFL. That’s what I want to do. I don't want to be behind a Hall of Famer all of my career."
I'm sure there are many more reasons why a free agent signs with a given team. But the real question is, why would he sign with the Dallas Cowboys? What exactly, apart from no state income tax and a great stadium, could be reasons for a free agent to come to Dallas?
Imagine you're a member of the Dallas Cowboys organization and you're recruiting a free agent. What would you say to him when he says: "Why should I sign with the Cowboys and not with team XYZ?"
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It's not all about money
it never is. People are motivated by a wide and varying number of factors. This a great article for pointing out what should be (but isn’t) an obvious fact. I suspect that Garrett’s culture will be a significantly better “draw” for new players than Wade’s.
The “hometown discount” isn’t about charity. It’s about staying with friends, fear of the unknown, liking your situation, feeling comfortable in a system, staying with a routine, feeling personal connections…. Some guys lack those personal conections and move on more easily. Some people don’t get along as well with coaches / team mates and want to go elsewhere. Some really are just about the decimal points and zeroes.
dunkman - February 21, 2012
yeah, I think familarity with coaches and players mean a lot to players
Terry - February 21, 2012
Also about building something
All professionals like to think they are building toward something. Imagine signing somewhere else for 5% more and your old team wins a Super Bowl?
ary201 - February 21, 2012
I would have to think for some it's about family
Uprooting family from school, church, and yes friends has to be part of their decision. I wouldn’t call it a discount but some would probably take less avoid all the disturbances it would cause.
staubachfan - February 21, 2012
Yeah, it's not a discount from the player's perspective
but having moved every 2-3 years in the Army, I can tell you that staying put is a very attractive option. And what if the 5% is being offered by Cleveland or Detroit or some other garden spot? Yikes.
dunkman - February 21, 2012
Agreed
If I’ve got a few similar offers, from similar teams, I’m going where my wife wants to be. ’Happy Wife, Happy Life."
Shaymer - February 21, 2012 via mobile
as a married man myself
I whole heartily agree with this statement….REC!
I am Ironman!!! - February 23, 2012
Hello... You get to wear a star on your helmet! And play for America's Team!
#DBoyZ - February 21, 2012
You are on the most nationally-televised games
and you get national media attention. Think of how well known Rob Ryan was before he made the lateral move from the Browns to the Cowboys? I think for coaching, especially, the assistant positions here are appealing because the Cowboys get so much attention and your name is out there. For players, the advantage is a bit less, but I guess the Cowboys can outspend the cheaper teams who only want to meet the salary floor. You will have a nation-wide following, which matters for some players, not for others.
ScottB1985 - February 21, 2012
That can change.
The only reason you get so many nationally televised games is because of the friggin East Coast bias, playing against the Giants, Redskins, and Eagles. If you were in the NFC South where you belong by geographic logic you wouldn’t see as much air time.
If I were a free agent, I’d want to be on the Packers or Patriots, who have great coaching and smart ownership that doesn’t make everything about himself.
drgarnett - February 21, 2012
Still doesn't change the fact that the Cowboys have been on these national games
for like 30 years, consistently lead in merchandise sales, and clearly have the largest fan base. Yeah, it can change but it hasn’t so far.
ScottB1985 - February 21, 2012
Hometown discount=Humility+Jerry is a Genius.
Kind of refreshing when a player takes a significant hit on what he could be paid for pay-offs in other aspects of the situation he is signing on with. But, only when it is done for all the right reasons, LEBRON!
I like the outlook of this happenning over the next few years with our current core group of guys. If I understand correctly what Jerry’s motive is with all the contract extensions and front loading he has done, it looks like he is picking and chossing his Cowboy “lifers”, counting on the loyalty card, and getting them paid now while we have so much cheap youth.
This could position us to make a great transition into the next generation of Dallas Cowboys.
Keep up the good work JJ.
mfoster - February 21, 2012 via Android app
Well, I would tell him...
Aside from all the America’s Team speech and the Palace where he would be playing for half of the season, that i came to learn and know about this game in 1995 in my native Cuba, where no american sports are shown or talked about but i was lucky to work in a hotel and have access to HBO programming, me being an avid sport fan and liking and following any sport, one day was watching an HBO documentary about american football and the greatness of one specific team and player, the team was called “The Dallas Cowboys” and the player was called Emmitt “something”, he looked rather short to me at the time, little did i know his heart’s size. I liked what i saw and started trying to learn all i could about that new sport and that great team, although in my country the Indians were always seen as the good guys and the Cowboys as the bad guys. The next year, 1996 I found freedom and could leave my country to Mexico, now i was also gonna be able to follow my new discovered sport and even maybe that great team, to my surprise, Mexico was crazy about that new sport and about that great team which they also called America’s team, I wondered why, since it seemed to be “World’s team” . I no longer watch as much baseball as i used to, being the primary sport in my country together with boxing, now i have a new passion for the best sport ever created and the best franchise and team that ever existed, the most followed football team in the planet, my Dallas Cowboys.
Cuban Cowboy - February 21, 2012
Dude
Awesome story! Thanks.
dunkman - February 21, 2012
Thanks for that story
As many, I mainly come here to get good analisys about my favorite team, but people like you make sure that we live with more. Good luck!
Fsanchezf1983 - February 21, 2012
Thank you for honoring us with your presence.
Tom Ryle - February 21, 2012
that is awesome! Welcome to BTB! :)
phoenix11 - February 21, 2012
Hey! Cuban Cowboy! Glad to have ya aboard. I hope you get lots of opportunities to watch the D Boys play this year. I know it really drives me nuts when I miss even 1 gm. Just don't forget the Washington Redskins r the bad guys. lol!!!
letsgtld - February 21, 2012
Welcome!
It’s funny you said “world’s team” any time ESPN or some jerk in the comments of a post starts talking about how Dallas isn’t America’s team anymore I tell them " you’re right, we’ve been the “WORLD’S TEAM” for quite some time now. I read an article about two years back that said something that I think sort of confirms us as both America’s and The World’s team, to paraphrase it went something like " Did you know that the Dallas Cowboys are the only Sports Franchise to have season ticket holders in every state in the Continental US as well as season ticket holders from Europe who fly over on weekends during the season" . Still blows my mind. I know we have the biggest fan base and due to that get the most coverage which in turn brings the most Hate ( see Yankees, or Lakers for comparison ). But despite the hate, the band wagon on and off-ers, and everything else that goes with it. I love every second of being a Cowboys fan. I mean to further drive home the point even the Giants GM had to mention us while at THEIR PARADE!??! Unreal.
COWBOYS DIE HARD SON - February 21, 2012
I’d swear I’ve seen player survey’s that Dallas is players #1 team they’d like to play for.
on a more humorous note, in looking for that survey, I found this midseason survey that found the coach players least wanted to play for was Coughlin.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/10/coughlin-is-the-coach-nfl-players-would-least-want-to-have/
Fan in Thick and Thin - February 21, 2012
Here's your poll
should have included it in the article, but didn’t think to look for it. Here’s the link. It’s from 2009, but so what.
“The Cowboys came out on top in a Sports Illustrated poll asking players which team they would most like to play for. The poll of 296 players conducted in September did not allow them to vote for their own teams. The top five:”
Cowboys, 11.0%
Chargers 8.5%
Steelers, 7.0%
Dolphins, 6.6%
Patriots, 5.9%
One.Cool.Customer - February 21, 2012
yes. that’s the one.
Fan in Thick and Thin - February 21, 2012
Demarcus Ware
is who I would send to Recruit Mario Williams. While Dallas in known as a 3-4 team, the allure of playing with the best pass rusher in the league, I imagine he could give Dallas an edge in negotiations with Mario.
While yes there are other teams with more money, how many of them have anything close to what D-Ware is? and those that do, how is their cap situation? Dallas has the cap space, plus the elite Talent in place to make a serious run at him. JMO
I am Ironman!!! - February 21, 2012
Cowboys need more than Williams on defense
We need to re-sign Robinson, sign a center and a CB. We can’t sign all of these players if we sign Williams. We are more than just simply another pass rusher away from being a legit contender.
Terry - February 21, 2012
I disagree (huge shock I know)
unless he gets a huge deal from some team(which is likely) you could structure the Contract in a way that still allows you to sign everyone:
on a say 6 year 70 million dollar deal with say 30 million guaranteed
years 1 and 2: 5 million(fully guaranteed)
years 3-6 15 million, if he gets the 5 million roster bonus due at the end of the season if he was on the active roster the whole year, thus:
IF he was transferred to IR , or is taken off the active roster at any point due to injury, he only gets his base salary for that year.
thus you are protected if he can’t stay healthy, and if he does He gets paid for what he is…..Win, win……the base salary is not guarenteed after the first two years(only the roster bonus is) thus if he cut for what ever reason that means no “dead money”
OF course this is a best case scenario(no signing bonus) but you could easily work out something similar, by converting the roster bonus into a signing bonus…..which would be this:
6 years 70 million with 30 guaranteed of which 20 is signing bonus thus his “cap hit” is
8.3 million the first two years which would still leave you with roughly 10 million to sign LR, a C and a reasonable CB…..though you may have to get a little creative with those contracts…..
and the 8.3 million cap hit is still less than the “franchise tag” for Spencer…..
I am Ironman!!! - February 21, 2012
no player his age will take a back loaded contact
A serious injury could end his career, he is going to want a front loaded contract as you note if he goes on IR he will only get a base salary for that year, and he would rather a base salary of $10-13 million than $5 million if he gets injured.
LeedsCowboys - February 21, 2012
well as I said
that would be the best case scenario….more than likely it will be the second….unless a team like the Chiefs or Tampa (and if you are Mario would you want to play in those situations?) give him a huge front loaded contract……
I am Ironman!!! - February 23, 2012
Signing Williams will just about kill our whole cap
Antonio S - February 21, 2012
If they're even considering franchising Spencer they'd be far better off replacing him
with Super Mario. Why spend almost $9M on an avg player at best when you can spend a little more on a dominant, young superstar in his prime…
dacolan - February 21, 2012
It is kind of funny that we are still used to drive up the price
it has been a pretty long time since we made a big splash in FA……
as dunkman asid above diff people are motivated by diff things, so very hard to paint a with a broad brush for why folks go where…..like any good speaker, recruiter, teacher, coach parent, or just a manager in the real world, the trick to to learn what your people are motivated by and use (boy that sounds bad) that knowledge to get their best out of them.
Knowledge really is power
BigBad Joe - February 21, 2012
So you don't want to play for Dallas
Just know when this team pulls its collective heads out of its asses, we’ll kick your ass week and week out en route to our 6th Lombardi Trophy while you’re stuck on the Eagles who still can’t win anything of consequence.
My Yankees had this problem in the 1990s. Barry Bonds and Greg Maddux in the winter of 1992/1993 used them to drive up the price in San Francisco and Atlanta. Starting in 1994 (strike shortened season), the Yankees went on a run that has seen them win 5 World Series titles, 7 AL Pennants, and missed the post season only once due to standings (2008). The Yankees went ringless from 1978 to 1996.
The Cowboys will be back. Remember, they went ringless from 1977-1992. It’s now 20 years since the Triplets won SB XXVII and 17 years since they won SB XXX. Now’s the perfect time to hop on board for the ride.
Rohpuri - February 21, 2012 via mobile
This is a great article. Good job.
Generally, a player has some goals they want to achieve. Which goal that is their main priority varies from player to player.
They think about money.
They think about market.
They look at a team’s system, do they fit in?
Are they comfortable with the situation they’re in?
Are they starting?
Do they want to play for certain coaches?
Are they playing for a contender? Would they rather be with a juggernaut: Steelers, Patriots, Eagles, etc…..
I think the last three are big ones for all players.
Big name free agents probably pay attention to the last ones. They want championships. They wanna be part of something great. Not a diamond surrounded by trash. An example was the Nnamdi sweepstakes last year. He turned down money from a lot of teams. The jets didn’t resign a quality corner because they were going hard after him. NY is a big market, they’d give him a ton of money, he’d play across from the other best corner in the NFL and the jets had been to two straight AFC title games.
But he turned that all down, to go to Philly… Join Andy Reid, the new Mike Vick, Shady, and his buddy DeSean Jackson.
But why?
I’ll let you figure that one out.
Now is Dallas one of the teams a Nnamdi type would want to play for, or are they what everyone thought was going to be a great team like the Jets, or are they one of the other teams offered a big pay check?
When you think of guys who are entering or in their prime years, Nicks, Grubbs, Carr, Williams. Where do you think they wanna go?
Just my thoughts…
bitterlyhonest - February 21, 2012
Ahem.
This is your postseason reasoning for why big ticket free agents would prefer the 8-8 “juggernaut” in Philly over Dallas? The Eagles can’t hold the Steelers’ or Patriots’ organizational jockstraps, much less touch the marketability or winning history of the Cowboys. Andy Reid and the “new Mike Vick” produced the same results that Andy Reid and the “old Mike Vick” always have – lots of hype and nothing to show for it. And before we get off track discussing that that same thing applies to the Cowboys recently, which really means we’re comparing apples to apples here, Big D has been a much sweeter destination with a much heavier trophy case for free agents to consider for a much longer period of time than Philly ever has.
It’s ridiculous to imply that Dallas isn’t the kind of team a “Nnamdi type” would play for because everyone thought they would be a great team and they weren’t last year – and use the Eagles as any kind of supporting example.
Oh well.
KeyOfZ - February 21, 2012
Great stuff Bitter
Shaymer - February 21, 2012 via mobile
America's Team
One should always remember that the term, America’s Team, was not based on winning. In fact, it was the very opposite. NFL Films was tired of another episode of next year’s team and noticed that there were LOTS of Dallas fans whereever they played. NFL Films played up the amount of fandom and media attention. Thus, any player on the Cowboys will get outsized media notice.Given non-salary perks, including advertising revenue, should be a plus for the more saavy player.
The second thing to note is depending on the position, there will be lots of ability to play. Any DB who wants an opportunity should be interested in Dallas as there will be lotsof openings. Not so much for the offensive skill positions – WR, RB, TE, although a good FB could move in.
The third thing is Dallas, under Garrett, has a plan. If they approach you, then there is a reason. Nowadays, it is not just the money they will offer. In fact, the pay may be more moderate than other teams. Yet that is a good sign for those who are inteersted in competing at the highest levels for a number of years.
Dallas will be approaching smarter, more team oriented players. The appeal will be to be part of something great, not just a payday. This will not appeal to some players and we should not be attempting to get those players anyhow.
Dr-P - February 21, 2012
America's Team has a lot to do with the Cheerleaders, Tex, Landry and "the system"
I think even with the bad decisions JJ has made there is still that love (and hatred) around the world and people think American football they think of the Cowboys.
How many Chicago Bulls fans are out there post-Jordan? Yet the Celtics and the Lakers never have a problem selling jerseys.
I live a long way from Dallas, and there is no lack of Cowboy jackets and caps around here… you won’t see many Steelers or Packers fans though. It doesn’t matter how bad the Cowboys are, you always see their stuff…
scraig - February 21, 2012
Do we even have to explain why Dallas is an attractive destination?
When they are at the top of the league, there is no bigger team in pro sports than the Dallas Cowboys (sorry Yankees and Lakers). If you’re a big free agent that knows that their talent could put the team over the top, why not play on the biggest stage?
thetheRedundant - February 21, 2012 via mobile
One team is bigger
Gotta give Man U credit where it’s due. They are a sports juggernaut. But on our side of the pond? It’s Cowboys and everybody else.
KeyOfZ - February 21, 2012 via mobile
So how long before the Eagles trolls
Jump on this thread?
Rohpuri - February 21, 2012 via mobile
some even went and got his autograph after a game.
still can’t believe what a tool TC was for doing that…
Nate Trumble - February 21, 2012
Michael Vick isn't a roll model he isn't a champion. He's a piece of garbage who is all about the spotlight. They'll never win with him at QB, why any moron would ever want to play with him?
I wouldnt want any idiot that thinks its a good idea to play with him on my team.
Dynamicduo - February 21, 2012 via mobile
Agreed!
But he is kind of a lightning rod for black players. Being the first black QB selected that high is like a badge of honor. I, however, much prefer seeing DWare lay him on his ass to watching him run. Until someone lays him out, which is always fun to watch as well
phoenix11 - February 21, 2012
Doesn't the hometown discount
apply much more when deals are re-structured? Player is doing it on behalf of the team, don’t know too many FA deals that are done on behalf of anyone but the player
DAL has many things in its favor – relatively cheap real-estate, no state income tax, opportunity to earn beyond the field and a year-round place to live.
tdships - February 21, 2012
of course the same (for the most part)
applies to Houston though…..If it came down to Dallas and Houston I think Houston would win out….
I am Ironman!!! - February 21, 2012
I've lived in the HOU area and go back often
and would take DAL any day
tdships - February 21, 2012
If I was Jerry I would tell him...
1- “Chris ( Myers ) , Our team here at Dallas would like you to come in and help us to finish out our rebuilding of our soon to be dominate offensive line. Protecting Tony Romo and establishing our up and coming run game will be our top priorities on offense this year. We believe you are the man we would like to see as the center of a line that will propell us into another championship season here in Dallas.” 2) “Cortland (Finnegan), I hope my private stewartess was good to you on your flight from Nashville. Relax and look over this great deal Stephen has had drawn up for you. We would like for you to stay awhile so we’ve spread the wealth over several years.There’s a clause in there somewhere about glue, if you can stick to Cruz and basicly wear him like a jersey and handle any balls that hit you in the hands then you’ll be rewarded with a handsome reward.”
letsgtld - February 21, 2012
What motivates people? Well that's easy *sarcasm font* to answer.
If you were undrafted or drafted after the 2nd round I would guess Money has the greatest “calling”.
If you are older a team near a Title might be the voice you most listen to.
If you are in the “middles” (you’ve been paid and your team has had some success) then I imagine getting to play for a coach you respect or who inspires you might have more pull.
Or an Iconistic Team, like the Steelers, Pats, or America’s Team, would certainly speak to you (cause, as was said earlier, who wouldn’t want that Star on his helmet!).
I would imagine that if you knew you were a JAG you might consider choosing your next destination so that it did not make you go broke (like the big cities vs. the more economically easy on the pocket places)….or possibly to a place you might like to live after you retire (cause at that skill set or age I would guess you would have an eye towards that).
Heck, answering this question is nearly as easy as pre-determining a team’s draft picks :-}
LiveNDieBlue - February 21, 2012
I think Dallas is a bargaining chip for a lot of agents.
They want everyone to think Dallas is interested because of Jerry’s deep pockets. And no matter how things are going on the field, Dallas is still the glamour destination in the NFL.
Tom Ryle - February 21, 2012
Pretty doubtful that we get a free agent corner who can beat out Scandrick for LCB
None of them are better than Newman and I think if you get one now that is the writing on the wall for Jenkins, since Scandrick is not going anywhere. Coaching is the only issue we have and if anyone is to blame it was Abe Elam since he runs the secondary on the field.
I’m not sure how effective we are at getting a corner at a high price tag but I can see the competition being a bit tighter if we did get a decent FA and a 3rd or 4th rounder in the draft. I don’t see a $6M UFA or 1st rounder as being the solution. We need depth but if Scandrick and Jenkins were a bad tandem then we should have not signed Scandrick last year.
I get the feeling that Scandrick was not the problem, injuries were, coaching/new scheme. Execution was the problem in the last 4 games so you can point at TNew for that. With TNew gone I can see us getting depth to match Philly’s lineup – 3 pro bowl calibre CBs – but I just don’t see Scandrick staying at SCB.
scraig - February 21, 2012
Also, don't agree that we are going to dump any big contracts, maybe Kosier and Coleman
but not Spears or anything… we should definitely draft high to get someone who can get to the QB at DE other than Hatcher, and he was more effective in blitz packages.
scraig - February 21, 2012
Reading the Tea Leaves
Just as expected from Jerry and Jason, this FA period will be used to fill holes with players who won’t command a hefty price tag. You get yourself in salary cap hell otherwise.
The draft is were you find your star players. Build the talent base from within, and use free agency to augment that.
I see guys like Tracy Porter, Ben Grubbs, Scott Wells, and Chris Myers as the targets.
I think the team will franchise Spencer for a season with the idea being that they can find his replacement in the draft, and hopefully hand the job to him in 2013.
Also, I think the draft is where we find our backup QB/future starter.
Rohpuri - February 21, 2012 via mobile
Yeah, I think so too....
dunkman - February 21, 2012
Player acquisition
If we just replace the bottom tier with just average guys we have improved the team significantly. We don’t have a talent issue, but a talent distribution problem. We have holes that other teams can exploit.
Get mid-range, mid-dollar guys who can fill holes in FA and then upgrade the talent level and depth through the draft.
Further given the cost of different positions – look to fill the relatively cheap positions in FA [Non-OT OL, Safety, FB] and draft the expensive guys [’skil positions" – CB, QB, etc]
Dr-P - February 21, 2012
Location
Dallas is a great city. Far from top of the list. But, as fast as things move these days, being smack dab in the middle of the US can’t be a bad thing. I hate sitting on a plane any longer than 3 hours anyway.
mfoster - February 21, 2012 via Android app
maybe he wnt to dallas but they didn't offer anything
ratware - February 21, 2012
I'd say...
The city’s wonderful, the steak is great, best stadium in the league, 100k fans cheering, most TV time, even the cheerleaders are icons, owners loyal, even TO misses it, and you get to play for God’s favorite team.
Shaymer - February 21, 2012 via mobile
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