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"Cowboys' Sean Lee Is A Pro Bowler" And Other Things We Learned In Mike Mayocks Conference Call

The NFL Network’s lead NFL Draft Analyst and Scouting Combine head honcho Mike Mayock took part in a conference call with national media members yesterday in the lead up to the 2012 NFL Scouting Combine.

Mayock does these calls every year prior to the Combine, but unlike last year, the NFL Network didn't provide a transcript of the call this time, so you'll have to make do with my hastily scribbled transcript below - or listen to a 45 minute part of the call here.

While members of the Dallas media may have been in attendance, no specific questions were asked about the Cowboys in the segment, so Mayock didn't address the Cowboys specifically, but he did talk about a couple of players and topics that are of interest to Cowboys fans.

The soundbite of the day (for me) may have come when he mentioned Sean Lee as a Pro Bowler when he talked about Boston College linebacker Luke Kuechly:

Think about Sean Lee. That’s the best comparison. Sean Lee went in the second round to Dallas but has become a Pro Bowl inside linebacker, and I think [Luke Kuechly] is very similar, has none of the knee issues Sean had and is a slightly better athlete.

After the break, find out what Mayock has to say about depth along the defensive line, offensive linemen and a selection of players that have been (at times) hotly debated on these boards.

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The following is all transcribed verbatim from Mike Mayock's conference call audio. Any mistakes or omissions are mine.

Defensive line depth: Defensive tackle is really, really deep this year … I’ve got anywhere from 5-7 first-round grades on defensive tackles. They’re not all going [in the first round]. Probably four or five will go in the first round. … Conversely, not big on the defensive ends.

Cornerback depth: There’s three corners everybody kind of thinks are first round corners and then after that its kinda pick your flavor.

Interior O-line: One of the best classes in this draft are the interior offensive linemen. DeCastro for me is a first round interior offensive lineman. Peter Kontz, the center from Wisconsin is a late one to mid two. I think Zeitler from Wisconsin is also in that same range. And you might be able to get a guy like Ben Jones from Georgia late in the second round. I think there’s a lot of flexibility with that interior linemen draft. In the first three rounds you can get a lot of quality at center or either guard.

On Janoris Jenkins: Janoris Jenkins is one of the ultimate boom or bust guys in this draft. He’s got great ability but has slid a little bit just because of off-the-field [issues].

On Whitney Mercilus: He’s a fairly gifted kid, he’s got some natural pass rush ability. But because he’s an underclassman, we have no official measurements of him. We need to see how big the kid is before we talk about 4-3 or 3-4 or what position. What’s he weigh, how long is he, what’s his arm length – all those things we’ll find out next week.

As far as what I’ve seen on tape, he’s a little bit of a one-year wonder. People will want to know where he was before this past year. Again, natural pass rusher, I don’t think he is stout at the point of attack, I’m anxious to see what he weighs. I think he’s one of those borderline late one to mid two type guys and I think where he’ll be helped though is that there aren’t a whole lot of really strong DEs and OLBs in this draft. So that could push him up a little bit.

On Chase Minnifield: I like Minnifield. Good bloodlines, athletic kid, smart kid, plays well. I’ve got a second round grade on him right now

On Vontaze Burfict: Burfict I’m not a fan of at all …What I like to do is say, forget about all those penalties, all that stuff that surrounds him. What kind of football player is he? And I came away unimpressed. From my perspective, if he gets a chance at a blow-up hit - where he’s going to knock somebody into the next century – he’s going to take it and it’s going to look really good. That’s where he’s impressive. When he sees something, comes downhill and blows it up, it’s really good.

However, the other major percentage of the time, his instincts aren’t good, he gets enveloped by big bodies, he runs around blocks. For a big, strong guy, he’s nowhere near as good at the point of attack as I thought he would be. So that’s even before you factor in all the other elements. So from my perspective, I don’t see first round at all.

Players who need the Combine to up their stock:

  • LaMichael James: A player we’ve only seen in one type of offense.
  • From the wide receivers, Michael Floyd, Alshon Jefferey and Mohamed Sanu for sure all need big combines and another one is Jeff Fuller from Texas A&M. He is another one of those big-body guys who struggles to separate.
  • All those tight ends. I don’t have a first round tight end. They’re all kind of the quick, Hernandez-type people. They’re not in-line type blockers. There’s not a whole lot you can do at the Combine if you’re a tight end except run fast.
  • I mentioned Luke Kuechly. If he runs 4.7, in that range, he’s a top 15 pick. If he runs 4.8 or worse, there’s going to be a problem.
  • For the defensive backs, it’s all about speed and quickness. A guy like Leonard Johnson from Iowa State, I think he plays better than he will time. If he times poorly, he could be a fourth round pick instead of a second round pick. Trumaine Johnson from Montana, he’s a looong, physical corner. is he a corner or a safety? He might be Malcolm Jenkins. Harrison Smith from Notre Dame. A lot of people think he’s not going to run well. I think he’s going to surprise people. He’s a really good football player. I’ve got a second round grade on him.

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cowboys need to draft the best defensive player out there.
Luke Kuechly:

I am starting to warm to this guy, if DeCastro does go before we pick, and Jenkins stock slides a little more, would it be wrong to take him at #14 and pair him with Lee, then we will have 3/4 of a dominant LB corps, Ware, Lee and Kuechly

Already giving up on Carter?

To me that’s dumb. I love Carter’s upside. Its been one year… I think he has a Sean lee like second year.

Carter

not giving up at all, we ILB ok not in the 1st round maybe but if he is there and he is top 10 on a lot of boards do we take him under BPA strategy.

You see, right when people start thinking about the draft

Everyone agrees: We just need good football players.

But around this time, people start to focus in on the same 3-4 guys and it’s hard to imagine taking a player that’s not of utmost need for the roster. Then where does that old saying, “We just need good football players” go?

If the scouting staff really believe Kuechly has a top-10 grade, to me it’s like taking Trent Richardson. We already have 2 RBs, but we’d take Richardson. We have 2 ILBs, but we could still take Kuechly. Just go young at the position and that money you may have used re-signing James or signing some other veteran could be used at SS or something.

Personally, all this is predicated on the staff thinking Kuechly is a special player, and I have my doubts. I think they’ll give him a solid first round grade, but have 10-12 players ahead of him.

I agree except in regards to the RB position.

I just don’t see many teams let alone teams with RB committee taking a RB in the first round anymore. Its a passing league.

But he's an asset and not every team believes in the committee logic

Perhaps even us. Midseason Garrett was happy to have Murray go for 20 carries.

Besides, we’ll have three players with reasonable contracts that are tradeable assets. Maybe we make a draft day deal with the Bengals. Or maybe we’ll just keep him and trade one of the others. I love Murray, but if by week 6 Richardson looks good, we could flip Murray for picks.

It’s all about BPA for me. If you really trust your scouting dept.

When it comes to BPA

I agree. I personally think that Barron would be the better choice than Kuechly at 14 if DeCastro, Coples, Ingram, and Kirkpatrick are gone.

That seems a little off to me

Kuechly is the prototype of Lee only uninjured and “a better athlete” while Barron is currently injured and most likely wouldn’t even start ending up on the pup list.

Barron will be out until April

according to our resident DB scout Birddog26

thanks! I must've missed that
Big "if" To Say

Kuechly has Lee’s football savy; Lee is a unique animal and mostly it is between his ears where Lee excells; big words to say Kuechly would be as good mentally as Lee.

ary, I know you've been around the site for a while

but its good to see you commenting a lot recently.

Good stuff; we need to see some fanposts from you!

I can see them doing this

Especially if they give themselves “insurance” during FA by filling holes with serviceable players.

any 3-4 defense needs ilb and mlb

We only have 2.. and 1 is proven.. if we do draft him i would be okay.. Todays NFl really requires 4 ILbs

To have 3 very good lbs roaming the field would be a nice upgrade

I don't see any indication of giving up on carter

I’m not sure of drafting Luke K. Either. If we go to a 4/3 it makes me wonder if there will be enough speed there(lee and LK-obviously not carter). If we stay in 3/4 I think he is a great player but isn’t a huge need right now. But if he us BPA and thats how you draft then take him and be true to your board. But if you can trade down @that point and get more 2/3rd rd picks then i’d rather do that then saturating ILBs. Then fo get someone like dan connor or dqwell jackson in FA for depth. But please have a plan and stick to it. But also realize is we take LK we will also strengthen by subtraction cuz if he gets past 14 we’ll see him 2x a yr. In philly

I just don't see the Cowboys giving up on Carter before he has really had a chance.

I think they will hope Carter can step up and look elsewhere with their 1st round pick than ILB.

if they take Kuechly

who knows maybe Carter becomes a Safety. He’s got a Safety’s 40

Maybe.

But Dallas drafted him knowing they’d have to wait a year before they could get production out of him because they felt that he was first round talent. I just don’t see them trying to move him around.

Dallas did move Darren Woodson from LB to Safety

It’s possible.

watch the tape from the redskins game where the skins returner is running down the sidelines...

Carter didn’t make the tackle but he had angle and was running the guy down from the other side of the field…..the skins returner is fast….to see that kind of speed from a ILB was amazing…

agreed
Brandon Banks

yeah that impressed me too

this is my take on taking Kuechly, it bothers me but at the end of the day I would still give them an A+ draft grade because he is a great football player

I got a post in the works now, so I won’t go into detail about it, a few days and you will see my reasoning

6-3, 233lb safety.

I thought we played out project position switch?

For me

if they take Kuechly in the first, it is a sign that they are going to play more 4-3 this year….move to a hybrid D like the Ravens use……

how is it giving up on him

Tell me, you can’t design a formation to get them all on the field. Or would it be so wrong to have a crazy 3 man rotation so they are all fresh? Kind o flike the giants and DL

Maybe if we play teams who 3 tight end us all day sure

have at it

well we do play the Patriots this year

and if Kuchley= Sean Lee is having two of them that bad?

nope the boys play the afc north

this yr

makes sense to me I'm really excited to finally get to see him play!
Or in a 4-3, you become lethal with Kuechly /Lee/Carter for a decade. Top 5 LB core, Top 5 DL with Ware at DE.
Whoops, sorry. Accidentally his post.

I’ve thought about this before. Given Rob’s system, and how the Cowboys defense is game-planned for already (it’s reported they simply consider it a 4-3 Under), naming the front is mostly arbitrary. I could see us running something like a 2-5-4 or 1-6-4, with Rat and/or Hatcher with their hands down and Ware, Lee, Carter, Kuechly, Spencer, and/or Butler on the field at the same time. That’d be a fun one to throw at an offense.

To soon for inside backer

I think it will the 3rd or 4th round will they start looking for inside backers.

Kuechly

If he is the pick then we r probably going to a 4-3.

Lee=Mike
Kuechly=Sam
Carter= Will

Not bad.

Oh my

I am absolutely all for that. Just do the impossible and nab Mario Williams to play opposite Ware as a DE, Ratliff in the middle and a size guy and BOOM.

OhMyGhAd.

that is why I am so open to it now
I'm assuming Mayock is referring to 4-3 Ds when he talks about tackles vs ends.

Many of the DTs could play either NT or 3-4 DE for us. One of them might be available in round 2.

I have been musing about this for some time...

I honestly think JG will sign one FA C or G (preferrably a C) and that will be all for the O-Line. I think he invested a year with these other guys and would hate to have to sacrifice another year waiting for the O-line to gel. I think JG will sign a dominating NT, move Rat over, keep Spencer and sign a FA DB, hopefully Finnegan. If every potential player of interest is gone by pick 14 I think they just trade down and get extra picks to fiil the S/LB holes. I could be way off but that is my gutt feeling right now.

better get ROMO a cemetary plot then

because if they stick with 2/3 of what they had this year in the middle he is DEAD.

Upgrading one spot on the Oline would make a big difference

Then you switch Smith and Free, that improves the edges. And it would be an offseason of training and camp for the young guys. We didn’t see what Nagy and Arkin can do. This is how you improve the Oline. Incrementally. If guys stay healthy, they jell and weak spots are schemed around.

Giants fans thought they had a lot of weak spots this season and they made it the whole way. If we signed a GOOD center in FA, we’ll have a decent line.

That's an optimist's view......... I'm often guilty of that....

Getting a stud center is a MUST, priority number one. Still think another guard would be great. Maybe one in the draft, the other in FA. Would love to see Romo work behind a top notch line with all the weapons he has on this team. The rest of the draft can go to defense, unless someone really good drops in your lap.

I'm not opposed to a G signing...

if they did I would be OK with it. The offense would roll for sure. I just think the D was the real issue last year and the more there the better.

That was my thinking...

An off season of training and learning the playbook should help big time. It was mostly Free on the edge and Costa getting destroyed in the middle. Shore those ends up and a stud center would could actually call the audible and things are looking good.

What about injuries?

You remember those? Almost a guarantee these days that at least one of your lineman is going to miss extensive time. What if Tron goes down? You obviously flip Free back to the left but then you’d have to plug in Parnell or one of our unproven G/C Kowalski/Costa/Arkin or god forbid Kosier @ RT?

Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. Visions of that 2009 Playoff game against Minnesota are dancing in my head. We need 2 upgrades on that O-Line. One early round pick in the draft(rounds 1-3) and a FA signing. Costa/Kowalski/Parnell/Arkin can fight for the lone remaining G/C starting spot. While the others are back-ups.

We will have decent depth for our line if we could afford to sign one FA and draft another potential starter.

Sorry forgot Nagy, will also be in that conversation.

LT-Tron/LG-Nicks/C-Kowalski/RG-DeCastro/RT-Free

Back-up’s:
ST-Parnell
G – Arkin, Nagy
C – Costa

Don’t we normally carry 9 O-lineman?

I'd be down w/ that oline Star

u make a great point about injuries, all it takes is murray or jones rolling up under a guy’s leg then bam they could be out for some wks, I think the cheeseheads experienced that late this past season either 1 of their starting tackles got hurt the backup came in then he went out w/ an injury, that’s the nature of football sometimes.

Incrementally still puts Romo in traction

He does not HAVE THE TIME for the Line to gel.

Every good line needs time to jell

switching out a bunch of spots, even if you insert talented players, can lead to just as much disaster as what he had last year.

The best lines have home grown players that learn how to play together and maybe 1 or 2 decent FA pickups down the line (so to speak).

LOL squared at

Romo cemetary plot; but you are absolutely correct; poor Romo has taken a beating the last couple of years. It is a crying shame.

Mike Mayock does really good work

i’m starting to like the Minnifeld kid in the 2nd round but i’m also excited to see how Mercilus measures up at the combine.
the 2nd & 3rd rounds in this years draft should yield some really good talent.

I'm really liking Minnifield a lot

Really good at both press and zone coverage. Tackles well. Challenges receivers, deflects
passes, and gets INTs.

I'm thinking Minnifield won't last that long.

I can see the 49ers and the Giants taking him in the 1st. He fits the height/weight/speed/character/bigschool formula that we prefer for first rounders. He’s the perfect cover 2 corner, so I can see Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, and Minnesota also interested in the 2nd.

New England with one of their two first rounders.....

they need the secondary help and they have Ras A Dowling from UVA last year….Groh is from the Parcells tree and I think Belicheck has ties with him as well tho Groh is no longer the HC at UVA….

New England needs a veteran in there

They have enough young guys.

Mayock's the best......
without a doubt...no draft analyst is even a close second
I like him too

but I have serious questions about him tracking the ball in the air
I saw him get abused a few games, especially against VT and he had real trouble tracking the ball

im thinkin no more short corners below 5'11
how is kuechly at rushing the passer?
mayock is so overrated

i believe it was this time a couple years ago that NFL scout came out lambasting Kiper, McShay, and Mayock. However, he did say Mayock is probably the hardest worker of the 3, but putting a lot of stock into what he says…probably better take w/ a grain of salt.

I’ll never forget the Dmac combine, where he was ripping him, and then Dmac blazed a 4.26. He was very quiet after that…lol

Wasn't he was ripping DMac

Because he’s a straightline speed guy if my memory serves me right? That was the knock on McFadden, he couldn’t cut back or start and stop.

i'm searching for the youtube video of this

but for some reason, the NFL has stripped it from everywhere…weird.

as for what you were asking

nope…mayock was ripping him solely for character issues…which doesn’t even makes sense. maybe he was confusing Dmac with someone else.

not true, he said DMac wasn't stout enough in his lower body...legs too spindly

and he was right, DMac has been a china doll ever since he’s been in the league

coming from you, that comment doesn't surprise me
O line is deep

I’ve been sold on drafting O-line at#14. But the more I research the board the more I realize how deep of a draft it is at that position. The second and third round will be full of very good offensive lineman which makes lean more towards using the first round pick on the best available CB or DL at #14.

The same logic can be applied to CB, really.

I agree, though, I’d rather use #14 on Kirkpatrick or Jenkins (or somebody like Coples, if he falls) than DeCastro. I know, I know, blasphemy.

combine will show

I don’t see DeCastro’s stock moving far up or down during combine his game tapes should be all anybody needs to see to prove that he is far and away the best G in the draft, so if he’s not our guy or he’s not there at #14….. I think you pull the trigger on The BPA at whichever defensive position it may be

Oline is deep with holes on the interior

The best guard prospect is more valuable than the second or third best CB

can't argue that

Isn’t nice having options this time of the year? Seems like its been awhile

it is nice to have options
Trade down option?

With so many holes, it seems like it might be wise to consider it IF DeCastro and coples are gone. Trade down to 20-25 or so and pick up an extra 2nd(hopefully). Take Glenn with the first, pick up a CB like Boykin/Minnifield and Ta’Amalu with the seconds and another CB in the third. Just pondering….

i like that idea, you could put Konz name into the above scenario just the same.

need an nfl caliber O lineman?

Shop Wisconsin, Stanford, Iowa. Can’t miss

throw Boise State into that mix now

They got big dudes who maul up there

yep, good call

Coach Petersen gets his lineman nfl ready

Baylor

They’ve been putting out some solid players at OL

Yeah, good catch. I meant to put Glenn/Konz

..but when I type my fingers and my brain ren’t always on the same track.
This draft is deep in interior lineman and corners supposedly, so a trade down for a little more volume might not be worth consideration. I would really like a big NT, so you could draft Poe in the first, then go with a corner and a guard in the second if you choose, also-whichever they have as BPA at that spot.

Guys, No to Konz

he has that medical problem

Blood clots in his lungs.

He’s been fine since his Freshmen year. I’d trust the medical staff over anyone else on this one.

why do people keep insisting on Sean Lee being un-athletic?

really annoys me because the guy is a great great athlete

don't u know bro sean is white

he can’t be athletic haha kidding aside the man is a stud, i’m not buying this whole luke is more athletic than sean, he’ll have to prove it in the big leagues.

Seen Lee is freaking athletic. Just pop in the highlights of his interceptions

Those plays alone show off his athleticism.

and he explodes so quickly into contact

As soon as he makes a decision to tackle he can explode to the ball-carrier from any angle. I love watching him drop his weight and fire like a missile to make a tackle.

during t-giving he made a nice hit on reggie I think
Rush Hour 4 Starts this August and will run in NFL Stadiums thru the end of the 2012 Season

I tell you what

in the jersey helmet and pads, Carter really looks the part
he looks great right there

He sure does
Also making a special appearance at the New Meadowlands in February!
I guarantee it!

SB Champs!

That photo is fantastic Ro

we very well could be looking @ the future rite there on a side note i really wish these players would wear their thigh/knee pads.. No need to increase the odds of an injury.

Lee Can Lay the Wood, for sure

. . . but, his strength is his mental acuity. Thus, not athletic. But, you are correct, he can flat out knock the crap out of you as well as out smart you in a nanosecond. Lee is just a fabulous football player.

Chia you're spot on about Lee

Kid was an all-state point guard in high school, can’t get more athletic than that.

Usian Bolt has a quibble here.
its just really starting to irritate me

if you watch Sean Lee, idk how you can say he isn’t a great athlete
the guy had 4 INT’s and led the team in that area
I am just sick of hearing about Lee not being an athlete

Its a race thing plain and simple.

White guys have great “football IQs” Black guys are great “athletes”. Its silly stereotype and people don’t realize they are even doing it.

Free agency people...

Fill a couple of holes in FA—-Finnegan at corner and Myers or Nicks on the O-line. These are veteran, low-risk players. Narrowing down your needs on Draft Day expands your options. I would love to get Kuechly if other needs are addressed first…

im an opponent of signing Super Mario

but man…. it should would be nice to sign that guy Nicks. Big time o-lineman FA deals seem to be a lot safer than taking skill positions in Free Agency.

I think it is imperative that we draft on the defensive side of the ball and offensive line. Skill players always find Dallas because we’re the Big Star. But we will win championships in the trenches through the Draft, just like when JG was on the team and I believe his philosophy will follow the same blueprint.

Dre Kirkpatrick and the Decastro dude seem to be pretty solid picks…. I’m just praying Jerrah doesnt get fancy, picks the one that is there and move on to the next pick!!

aint happening........
mario that is .....
"has become a Pro Bowl inside linebacker"

well actually not lol. Mayock, yes we know he means pro bowl caliber or worthy…. but then say that… cause he hasn’t actually made the pro bowl yet ya know.

Semantics
Mayock meant Lee has pro bowl talent which he does

Just because you’re not offically voted in doesn’t mean you don’t have pro bowl talent or ability.

Lee definitely deserved to be voted to the Pro Bowl this season just like Romo. Both had outstanding seasons.

I thought Lee got robbed honestly
it takes guys like Mayock saying this

to get young defenders in to the ProBowl

Lee Will Be All Pro

. . . and skip over the pro bowl thing.

ALL PRO is the only one with meaning anymore

Pro Bowl is garbage

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