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Our good friends and SBNation colleagues over at Mocking The Draft released their latest six-round mock draft yesterday. The thing I really like about these extended mock drafts is that they don't exist in a vacuum like single-team mocks do, where you can just pick and choose the prospects for your team irrespective of where they are slotted and what other teams would do.
Instead, because these lengthy mocks have every team making a pick, they limit the number of available candidates for your team. What I like to do when I browse through these mocks is to look at which player I would have chosen for the Cowboys instead of the player proposed in the original mock.
And that's exactly what I'll do after the break, with one simple rule: the player I choose instead of the pick proposed by MTD must be ranked lower in their mock draft than where the Cowboys are picking. Here we go.
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Round |
MTDs Pick |
Who I'd pick instead (in this mock) |
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| 1 |
Janoris Jenkins, CB, North Alabama |
Melvin Ingram, OLB, South Carolina |
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| MTD has the Cowboys selecting Janoris Jenkins with their first pick. Clearly the Cowboys need to address the secondary during both free agency and the draft, but I'm not sold on Jenkins yet. He is obviously a talented corner, but I'm not sure he'll meet the Cowboys' minimum height requirements at 5-9. Unfortunately, in this mock exercise, most of the prospects I could envision as Cowboys picks are gone already: Quinton Coples (7th), Dre Kirkpatrick (9th) and David DeCastro (11th) are all off the board. |
In this scenario, I'd be sorely tempted to trade down a few spots to gain an extra third round pick and target the likes of OLB Whitney Mercilus, OC Peter Konz or CB Chase Minnifield. Barring that, I'm taking Ingram, who is arguably the best pass rushing prospect in the draft and who'll fill the spot vacated by Anthony Spencer as the bookend to DeMarcus Ware. | ||
| 2 |
Kelechi Osemele, OG, Iowa State |
Dontari Poe, NT, Memphis |
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| I like the idea of shoring up the offensive line with a second round pick. The Cowboys narrowly miss out on S Markelle Martin, LB Vontaze Burfict and CB Josh Norman, all of whom would have also been good second round options. But just before I finalize this pick I notice that I still have a guy with a borderline 1st round grade on the board. | I think Poe is mocked way too low in this mock, so I gobble him up right away. Poe will allow Ratliff to move outside to DE and will also give the Cowboys the option of playing as many four-man fronts as they please. With my first two picks, I've arguably secured two first-round talents. But I still haven't addressed my secondary and the O-line. | ||
| 3 |
Philip Blake, OC, Baylor |
Brandon Brooks, OG, Miami (OH) |
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| Hard to argue with this pick. I would have hoped for C Ben Jones to still be around, but in this mock the run on centers started early and both Ben Jones and Michael Brewster were taken at the bottom of the second round. In real life, I think the Cowboys will address the center position in free agency. Unless the Cowboys draft Peter Konz, I'm pretty sure that after the experience of last season they have no intention of starting another rookie at center. |
The 6-4, 353 lbs Brooks was a standout during the week of practice leading up to the Shrine Game. He has good athleticism for his size and would be an asset in the run game. However, for some reason I'm not aware of, he was not invited to the Combine. If there are issues with Brooks, or if the Cowboys prefer their guards just a little bit less heavy, Senio Kelemente at 301 lbs would also be an option here. | ||
| 4 |
Kendall Reyes, DE, Connecticut |
Brandon Taylor, SS, LSU |
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| I'm more than set at DE now that I have Poe in the middle and have moved Ratliff outside, so I won't be looking for front seven help anymore. | Taylor may need a year, but after that he'll be an upgrade over anything the Cowboys have had at safety in the last five years. If Taylor is ready to start this year, that would move Sensabaugh back to free safety, which is his more natural position anyway, and where his speed and jumping ability would be put to better use than as an in-the-box hitter. | ||
| 5 |
Eddie Whitley, S, Virginia Tech |
Cliff Harris, CB, Oregon |
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| I don't really need a free safety, so I'm going in another direction. I'm very tempted to take RB LaMichael James with this pick, after all, the probability is pretty low that a fifth round pick will end up being a difference maker, so I might as well draft for a flashy running back even though I don't really need one. But I'm a Jason Garrett acolyte so I'm going to try to be smart about this. |
Instead, I opt for the underrated CB Cliff Harris with my fifth-round selection. Harris could stand to gain a couple of pounds (Helllloooo Coach Woicik) and has a nasty and recurring habit of driving too fast, without a licence, and getting caught doing it. But he is a playmaker both as a returner and as a corner. And if nothing else, the Cowboys have already had a very good experience with another Cliff Harris. He has some growing up to do both mentally and physically, but he'd be a steal in the fifth round. Watch his draft stock skyrocket after the Combine. |
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| 6 |
Tanner Brock, ILB, TCU |
Asa Jackson, CB, Cal Poly |
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| Brock is probably as good a pick as any in the sixth round, but I'm going in a different direction. | I've decided to carpet bomb the secondary with my late round picks, hoping that I'll eventually hit on at least one starter. Jackson made Wes Bunting's list of small-school CB prospects and could be an option as a slot CB for the Cowboys. |
One thing you realize in these mock draft exercises is that you can't address the O-line, the D-line, the pass rush and the secondary with your top three picks. At least one position is going to go unfilled in the first three rounds.
So there you have it. MTD vs. BTB: Who has the better draft for the Cowboys and more importantly, what would you do differently?
2 recs | 270 comments
Would be doing backflips if Poe fell to us in the second
wow would love your draft if it were to fall that way
BigBad Joe - February 13, 2012
Nice idea, here's my take
1. Jenkins, CB – can’t argue with it if DeCastro, Brockers and Coples are off the board. Tempted to take Richardson as BPA
2. Ben Jones, C – hopefully we’ll pick up a guard in FA and getting Jones means no more Costa
3. Jared Crick, DE – considered a 1st round talent until his injury, could be a steal in the 3rd. Reminiscent of the Lee + Carter picks.
4. Chandler Jones, DE/OLB – a favourite of some on here
5. Evan Rogrigues, TE – a blocking TE to replace Marty B
6. Tanner Brock, LB – much needed ILB depth
TheLondonCowboy - February 13, 2012
I'd punch out KC and take DeCastro.
There will be a few trades this year, Skins getting RG3 will be the first. I can’t wait. Going to be a great draft
thebigham - February 13, 2012
I can see the skins trading for RGIII. Just not at the spot where everyone thinks>
Reason #1 – Draft picks are worth more now due to the fat that they dont cost as much now – People will argue with me, but look at it as an owner does. Does this guy cost less now? – Yes, how many picks do I get? – 1 per round (normally).
Reason #2 – The going thinking is the Browns are get into a bidding war with Washington for RGIII’s services. Let me tell you that Mike Holmgren hates to reach and overpay. Look at his history as a coach/GM. I wouldn’t be suprised if Holmgren?Heckert have already worked a deal with Allen/Shanahan for RGIII. McCoy is a good QB, though he had nothing to work with in Cleveland last season, AND it takes more than a season to get the WCO to work.
Reason #3 – It will cost Washington less to move up two spots, instead of 4 spots. Cleveland will work out a deal with picks & players.
Depending on what your BOYS do in FA, I would love to trade back again if Tampa doesn’t take Claiborne. What would you give for either the 4th pick or the 6th pick?
J. W. - February 13, 2012
fatfact – correctedHolmgren?HeckertHolmgren/Heckert – correctedJ. W. - February 13, 2012
McCoy isn't a good QB
And the Browns are already on the record as saying they’re not committed to him.
Also, if the Skins trade up to number 4, what’s to stop the Dolphins from jumping up to number 2 to screw up your scenario? Whoever wants to guarantee themselves RGIII has to trade up to #2 or run the risk of not getting him.
Rohpuri - February 14, 2012 via mobile
I'm hoping that Matt Moore gets dropped by the fins....
If he gets let go I think there is a better than reasonable chance that he will end up as our backup heading into the season…..Proven starter, knows the offense, familiar with the coach…He would guarantee our QB depth if he were able to comeback to where he never should have left…
TruBluToTheCore - February 16, 2012
Im all up for the BTB mock draft
Antonio S - February 13, 2012
I would be really pissed if the Cowboys came away with that BtB mock.
BigBlueIntervention - February 13, 2012
If I were mocking you guys, I'd go something like this:
1) Melvin Ingram, OLB
2) Jayron Hosley, CB
3) Jared Crick, DE
4) Rokevious Watkins, OG
5) Eddie Whitley, SS
6) William Vlachos, OC
BigBlueIntervention - February 13, 2012
good mock
love the first 4 picks
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
You would have a monstrous pass rush with my mock. Ingram of course is a beast
Hosley is kinda short, but he’s fast and fluid. Can’t see him falling past you guys in the 2nd. Crick is like JJ Watt 2.0, though a little risky cause of his injury, but in the 3rd……
Watkins is a fatty, and a great run blocker, while Vlachos is kinda small so it is somewhat strange, but Vlachos was the best BPA/need combo at that point. He should be a 4th rounder at the least, so getting him in the 6th is an epic steal.
BigBlueIntervention - February 13, 2012
I was gonna mock Watkins to us late actually
Melvin Ingram is my preferred Cowboys target
he gives me a school girl feeling in my heart
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
LOL
It’s cool Chia, Dwayne Allen does the same for me. It’s really, really easy to mock for the NFC East this year.
Redskins – RGIII
Cowboys – Melvin Ingram
Eagles – Luke Kuechly
Giants – Dwayne Allen
BigBlueIntervention - February 13, 2012
lol
hey if you guys actually get a GOOD athletic TE, then its only fair we get a GOOD pass rusher
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
Ingram reminds me of Justin Tuck. Alot.
Dwayne Allen reminds me of a better blocking Brandon Pettigrew.
It would be hilarious if the Eagles drafted Kuechly and he turned out to be Casey Matthews 2.0. Though he’s probably the safest pick in the draft.
BigBlueIntervention - February 13, 2012
you and me think a like and see the same things
my first comparison that came to mind was #91 Just Tuck when I saw Ingram
no way Kuechly sucks like that, but I would laugh
watch Fatso draft Brandon Thompson or something, DL give him wood
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
LOL
no no no, he needs to draft Brandon Weeden in the first, he busts his nuts over old dudes.
BigBlueIntervention - February 13, 2012
him and Danny Watkins can get married
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
your boy Bradshaw has beer goggles
dating Aneglina who is a 5 at best
shocking man, just shocking
she said “he is a hot black”
who says that? what a moron
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
who's he dating?
BigBlueIntervention - February 13, 2012
I haven't heard this lol
BigBlueIntervention - February 13, 2012
I saw it on TMZ
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
Some white trash slut.
DIRE WOLF - February 13, 2012
ah makes sense
BigBlueIntervention - February 13, 2012
good that you stopped by BBI
class act
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
Thanks Chia. When it comes to the draft, I become a fan of every team.
well…not really, but its always fun to project needs and picks and what not. I <3 the draft as much as I <3 the actual season.
BigBlueIntervention - February 13, 2012
you know your stuff
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
As do you
BigBlueIntervention - February 13, 2012
That bimbo that got kicked off Jersey Shore.
fs65 - February 13, 2012
Ohhhhh.....on NFL Network he said he wasn't dating her
BigBlueIntervention - February 13, 2012
nice rack
however she’s a butherface.
Rohpuri - February 13, 2012 via mobile
she has pimples on her buttocks probably
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
LOL
Rohpuri - February 13, 2012 via mobile
I just don't see the Eagles breaking the trend
Of never drafting a Safety, Linebacker, or Running back in the first rd, this season. Since Andy Reid has been there, his MO has been to go with one of the following: OL, DL, QB, WR.
I mean Kuechly makes sense for them, but I don’t think Andy Reid values linebackers all that much in his defense.
Rohpuri - February 13, 2012 via mobile
I certainly hope this is the case, Roh.
I’d love for them to draft another DT. I hope they ignore DE in the first as well. I’m not sold on Babin keeping his production up. Plus he sucks at run defense and both of their premier DEs are over the age of 30. Who knows what they have in Brandon Graham as well.
BigBlueIntervention - February 13, 2012
I think
They’re sold on Babin-2 consecutive double digit sack seasons in Jim Washburn’s Wide 9 defense (2010 in Tennesse & last year in Philly). I don’t see them going DE. I think they go either WR, DT, or OL under BPA.
Rohpuri - February 13, 2012 via mobile
I'm fine with them doing either.
Sucks for them that the safety class is really weak this year.
BigBlueIntervention - February 13, 2012
sucks for them and good for the rest of the division
I love the fact they don’t have a Brian Dawkins patrolling the middle of the field ready take a receiver’s head off.
Rohpuri - February 13, 2012 via mobile
absolutely
BigBlueIntervention - February 13, 2012
Okay, here we go.
You know it’s that time of year when Chia starts talking about man love, having babies, and school girl feelings. LOL.
fs65 - February 13, 2012
bellybutton time@hhhhhhhhhh
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
Assuming OL addressed in FA
1. J.Jenkins (though I’d look to trade down)
2. B.Irvin LB W.Va: Get your rusher here
3. G.Iloka S Boise: rangy and can play man too
4. K.Reyes (good value and replaces Coleman)
5. L.James RB Oregon: Dedicated return guy
6: T.Brock (ILB depth)
DB23 - February 13, 2012 via mobile
I'd really like for us to grab James in the fifth if he's around.
I’d feel bad about drafting a position that’s not a need at all, but I think he could be pretty good, especially as a returner. Plus neither Murray nor Felix are the most durable guys around. I don’t think Murray’s gonna be injured all the time or anything, but I’d rather not have to depend on a Sammy Morris again this year.
spm01 - February 13, 2012
With the impact that Darren Sproles made, I can't see James falling further than the late 3rd to early 4th
BigBlueIntervention - February 13, 2012
Yeah, that's what I'm afraid of. He's got the potential to fill that role really well.
spm01 - February 13, 2012
I'd say if you guys wanted to grab him, it would be with your 3rd rounder. Though I'm not sure how much value that would be.
Also…why get a speed guy? You have Felix and Murray. Why not a powerback that can be had later?
BigBlueIntervention - February 13, 2012
I wouldn't get him with a 3rd, as much as I'd like to have him.
I just think it’d be worth considering if he were to somehow fall to the 5th, mostly because our return game has almost always been worthless. He could be dynamic there, and he’d be some insurance with Felix/Murray’s durability issues.
I wouldn’t mind getting a power guy either, but boy it’d be nice to have some semblance of a return game without having to risk Dez’s health.
spm01 - February 13, 2012
You're right, if he fell to the 5th, I pull the trigger without hesitation.
BigBlueIntervention - February 13, 2012
the least that special teams draft could've produced
is a good kick returner right? Smh sometimes I wonder what’s really going through jerry’s head.
DarkKnight88 - February 13, 2012
KR
I was really just thinking about getting a speed guy to return kicks & punts in the late rounds, James is great value in the 5th.
Murray is a pretty good power guy in his own right, and they seem to like Tanner as a big back.
If they were to trade down to say 24 and pick up an extra 2d they could do something like this:
1. M.Barron S Alabama OR V.Curry OLB Marshall
2. J.Fleming CB Oklahoma
2. B.Irvin OLB WVA OR A.Ta’amu NT Washington
3. J.Crick DE Nebraska OR G.Iloka S Boise
DB23 - February 13, 2012
would be nice if we could snag adams from arkansas..highlight reel aside he has a lot of ability in that regard and had a really good showing at the senior bowl...
TruBluToTheCore - February 16, 2012
i see Randy wants to come back and play
with Dez’s issues learning the offense and off-the-field stuff, anybody interested in trading him for some OL/DL/CB/picks? Then signing Moss?
Longhorn - February 13, 2012
No way.
Moss is probably done. Dez is just getting started.
BigDumbFace - February 13, 2012
i hope
Longhorn - February 13, 2012
Me too.
He’s on the right track. I don’t think you could get good value for him anyway.
BigDumbFace - February 13, 2012
Absolutely not.
Unless you could get an absolutely MASSIVE haul, I wouldn’t even consider it.
spm01 - February 13, 2012
Moss, who the Vikings traded a 3rd for, and then cut him 3 weeks later because he jogs on routes instead of running?
Can I say pass?
Rena - February 13, 2012
Ouch...
this is a scenario that hurts IMO and why I’m increasingly leery of 14th- In reality:
1st- You either take Richardson or trade the pick. If you trade the pick to say Cincy at 17, I think Jenkins is there anyway, plus you get Cincy’s 3rd. If you trade farther back- say NE for 27 & 48 in this scenario, you can get Perry or Curry and Osemele and Poe.
If you take and keep Richardson, you shop Felix (but you don’t fire-sale him.)
Unless you have Ingram rated super-high, in which case you take him, this is the poster-child for trade back in the 1st.
Cowtoys - February 13, 2012
+1
It does look tempting to trade down to the 20s (get an extra 2d) and get your pass rusher there, then go DL/DB with your two 2s and 3 …
DB23 - February 13, 2012
If drafting Richardson was our best option, as much as I like him..
..I’d rather trade the pick for sure.
spm01 - February 13, 2012
I actually like both mocks
but OCC’s one on the right is money
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
one thing
are we sure we’re not going back to a 4-3 this upcoming year?
Longhorn - February 13, 2012
You’d be in big competition for players. Cleveland went to it last year, and both Buffalo & Miami went back to it this coming season.
J. W. - February 13, 2012
I would move to a 4-3, but thats just my opinion
I just like the idea of Ware at DE, Rat at DT and say we add a 4-3 DE like Chandler Jones or Whitney Mercilus
maybe Dontari Poe or Melvin Ingram at DT, I just think that would be boss
or draft Kuechly, your LBs would be Carter Lee Kuechly
front 4, Ware Ratlff Hatcher Spencer (Lissemore Brent Spears)
I just like the options the 4-3 would give this team, I think Rat would be a 8-12 sack a year DT
I loved the old wide 4-3 we ran in the 90’s
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
my dream front 7 in a 4-3
Mario, Ratliff, DraftPick/FA, Ware
Upshaw, Lee, Carter
That would be kinda nasty.
Longhorn - February 13, 2012
well
that is almost impossible
lol
but I wouldnt want Upshaw as a 4-3 LB, replace him with another Bama product, the thumper LB, All Along The Hightower
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
how is that almost impossible?
you don’t think Upshaw will be there at 14, or you don’t think we’d sign Mario?
Longhorn - February 13, 2012
I don't think you guys have the funds to sign Mario.
BigBlueIntervention - February 13, 2012
I think we have the money to make one LARGE splash
I just dont see Mario Williams coming here though
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
in my humble opinion, I think you guys are better served making smaller moves
rather than one big one. Shore up your secondary with a Brandon Carr, or Aaron Ross. A Stanford Routt or Tyvon Branch. Smaller signings, but ones that take care of who you lose in FA or cut, like Newman and the like. That way, you’ll have an all around solid team that allows you to BPA it in the draft as opposed to having to draft for need.
Mario Williams or Carl Nicks will be great of course, but if you don’t have a complete team around them (and I firmly believe that you can’t expect an instant impact out of rookies. You can hope for it, but not expect it. Especially when drafting outside the top 10) it won’t matter.
BigBlueIntervention - February 13, 2012
Yep.
Nicks would be amazing, and a great O-Line is probably the second best asset you can have (after a strong D-Line/pass rush, as you guys know), but it doesn’t do much good if we can’t fill any other needs adequately.
I’d kinda be okay with Routt, but those penalties are ridiculous. He’s not much good in run support either, but he’s got great coverage skills.
spm01 - February 13, 2012
Yeah, was just throwing out dudes at that point that could help shore up the secondary.
There are a few guards out there that could provide quality depth. One thing I learned about the NFL this season….just as important as impact players is quality depth. Thank God the Giants had that.
BigBlueIntervention - February 13, 2012
believe it or not
I actually want Aaron Ross, idk I just like him
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
pass
I’d rather have Thomas from the giants… Does it look like the giants are resigning him?
CaliCowboysFan92 - February 13, 2012
Yes, we are in contract talks with him right now
BigBlueIntervention - February 13, 2012
damn
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
Alright thanks
so you’d take Thomas over Ross right?
CaliCowboysFan92 - February 13, 2012
can I get a hell yes?
…HELL YES!
BigBlueIntervention - February 13, 2012
lol scrubs?
CaliCowboysFan92 - February 13, 2012
Wow, you got it.
I’m pleasantly surprised.
BigBlueIntervention - February 13, 2012
lol good show
CaliCowboysFan92 - February 13, 2012
Are you gonna be doing the MTD mock draft this week?
CaliCowboysFan92 - February 13, 2012
Nah....got exam coming up on Monday
So I can’t make a fulltime commitment, though I’ll probably be around hanging out there when I’m taking a study break.
BigBlueIntervention - February 13, 2012
maybe Terrell Thomas hits the market then
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
He's a boom or bust guy on every play. Shutdown for 80% of the game
but for the other 20%, gives up a massive play.
BigBlueIntervention - February 13, 2012
like when Miles smoked him and then ran a crappy route and lost the ball in the lights
Ross got smoked there
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
Yes
BigBlueIntervention - February 13, 2012
I'll still gladly take that 80% any
day, u saw how newman played post turkey day it was anything short of a circus act.. Congrats on ur SB
DarkKnight88 - February 13, 2012
Thanks man.
But yeah, Newman’s got to go.
BigBlueIntervention - February 13, 2012
He was the Giants MVP this year.
Omar Little - February 13, 2012
One of the many.
BigBlueIntervention - February 13, 2012
exactly
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
Routt sucks. As a Giants fan I am sure you want us to sign him.
football mensa - February 14, 2012
no way we get Mario bro
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
I'd love it if Mario Williams came to Dallas
But I don’t see it happening. Can we improve on the 42 sacks from last year? Yeah, but upgrading from Spencer to Mario Williams is a luxury this team can’t afford right now. Most of the FA $ will be tied up in one guy. The other thing not considered is whether or not he wants to go play for a full-time 43 team. Houston won’t franchise him, so he’s got choices, and a decision to make.
Rohpuri - February 13, 2012 via mobile
I would rather sign Nicks....
and draft Coples and switch to a 4-3. There are cb’s to be had in free agency that would be serviceable. We could also get a good one in the second round.
In my super super hush hush voice….pssst , hey Chia….don’t tell anyone…I still want Janzen Jackson in the 4th round.
football mensa - February 14, 2012
Upshaw would be a waste as a 43 LB, he would be a DE in that scheme
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
i'd much rather have Vontaze over Hightower
Longhorn - February 13, 2012
false
Mr. Abe Froman - February 13, 2012
this guy gets it
Mr. Abe Froman - February 13, 2012
wow
BigBlueIntervention - February 13, 2012
If we moved to the 43 or stayed with the 34
I’d much rather have Vinny Curry than Chandler Jones. I know I dog Upshaw, but even Upshaw would be a better pick than. Chandler Jones hasn’t produced squat in College, he’s the ideal candidate for early round bust. I know he looks the part, but can he play the part? If he couldn’t do it in college what makes one think he’ll suddenly figure it out in the pros?
Mercilus is intriguing, I’d rather take him, but not sure I’d want to at 14.
Rohpuri - February 13, 2012 via mobile
I think Mercilus is going to shoot up boards after the combine....would have been nice to see him at the senior bowl but as an underclassman you tend not to get invited....
TruBluToTheCore - February 16, 2012
I would say 99 percent sure we are running the 3-4 again
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
If they switch, they might as well go back up the armoured truck and drop the cash on Mario Williams' front lawn
Rohpuri - February 13, 2012 via mobile
I know where Mario lives. I did the house next door to his. He has a gated driveway
so you would have to get his permission to back a truck in his front yard.
football mensa - February 14, 2012
if I am in an armored car
full of cash…I don’t need any permission
fact…
I am Ironman!!! - February 14, 2012
It would be counterproductive to have Ryan try and scheme with a 4-3 now, though you have the personnel to make it happen.
BigBlueIntervention - February 13, 2012
I agree
we have 4-3 personnel but with Ryan we will run a 4-3
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
you mean
with Ryan we will run a 3-4
Rohpuri - February 13, 2012 via mobile
correction, 3-4, yes
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
meh
i think with the players we have, they are best suited for a 4-3. and Ryan knows how to run a 4-3, he did it some last year, and kinda grew up around a 4-3 guy, i think you have heard of him before, Buddy something…
Longhorn - February 13, 2012
You could certainly do what the Ravens and Patriots do...
they do a 50-50 43 34 split.
BigBlueIntervention - February 13, 2012
well thats what I truly want
a hybrid defense consisting of various fronts
we run a hybrid D now but lack one pass rusher and disruptive DL
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
You need a Justin Smith type. If you have that on the opposite side of Ware, you could put
my 5’9 150 lbs ass in there and I’d get at least 8 sacks a year.
BigBlueIntervention - February 13, 2012
lol I know
we need a disruptive five tech, I kinda hoping for Kendall Reyes
size, and went to UCONN who our former D Coord coached here is the head coach there now
Sean Lissemore is a good young player who reminds me of a poor man Justin Smith
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
I really like Lissemore. He's just inconsistent.
Jay Ratliff could be that dude, but I think he’s fine at NT. Always did think that he would beast as a 3 tech though if you DO move to a 4-3.
BigBlueIntervention - February 13, 2012
yeah I think Rat would put up monster stats in a 4-3
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
Lissemore just needs more playing time....
remember he came out of a small school….couple years to get adjusted to the level of play….I think he’s heading for a breakout year…if anything they should try him at kick returner….
TruBluToTheCore - February 16, 2012
We need disruption up the middle. A la NT.
football mensa - February 14, 2012
I think the team will see something like that
depending on what we wind up with after FA and the draft.
Tom Ryle - February 13, 2012
I definitely like the BtB Mock much better
The overall quality of the players from top to bottom is better than the MtD one.
I really like the Cliff Harris pick.
Rohpuri - February 13, 2012 via mobile
I agree
the OCC one is better
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
Lke your mock OCC
Sure would like to get a corner before the 5th. The guard position is deep in this draft, so if we could get a corner in the 3rd we could use the supplimental 4th round to get a guard. We know the CB position has to be addressed in a big way for now and the future.
oldboysfan - February 13, 2012
yeah, I'm not seeing
going 4 rounds without a CB. I understand that you can’t draft everything, but this was arguably our biggest need LAST year (Ball? Newman? anyone?) when we got cute and brought in only one pick—who we didn’t even keep to develop.
This is the year of the CB. I have no idea why you wouldn’t swing for at least one in the early rounds.
boyman - February 13, 2012
This is my issue with it to.
I know not every need can be met, and I like OCC’s better than MTD’s. But I hate to waste such a good CB class when we need 3 of them without taking one before this.
Rena - February 13, 2012
he killed it
the first 4 picks are instant starters, good ones too
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
who is this Tanner Brock I keep seeing mocked to us
TCU I know, but never really watched him
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
WKG....in the news lately becuz he got busted at a party....
TruBluToTheCore - February 16, 2012
BPA
1 – Richardson RB
2 – B. Jones C
3 – G.Iloka S
4 – Trumaine Johnson CB
5 – J. Massaquoi OLB
6 – C. Hayward CB
Lots of guards going high. trust in the yuglies and maybe nicks
Becho - February 13, 2012
Would you guys really consider drafting Richardson?
BigBlueIntervention - February 13, 2012
If he's there at 14
I would strongly consider it. If he’s there at 14 he would be the BPA. Remember after Austin broke out in 2009 the Cowboys took Dez in the 2010 draft. I could see a similar scenario here. Also, if Richardson fell to 14, chances are Ingram, DeCastro, and Kirkpatrick are off the board.
Rohpuri - February 13, 2012 via mobile
At 14, he'd be BPA by a mile sure.....
though I can see Tannehill going before you guys, as ludicrous it sounds (I mean, last year we had 4 QBs go in the top 12)…so I can definitely see Ingram, DeCastro, or Kirkpatrick falling to you guys.
BigBlueIntervention - February 13, 2012
If Tannehill goes b4 #25 I'll be shocked
Around pick 25 is when the first rd becomes murky.
Rohpuri - February 13, 2012 via mobile
I HATE Tannehill as a prospect. I have him as a 3rd rounder.
Though I wouldn’t be surprised if he went early.
BigBlueIntervention - February 13, 2012
In my opinion
After Luck and RG3, the best two QBs are Cousins and Foles.
Cousins-I don’t have an appropriate comparison for him, but I think in year or so he can become someone’s franchise QB while being paid 2nd or 3rd money.
Foles reminds me of a young Culter-played on bad team in college, has the tools, just has to improve his footwork. If the Skins don’t trade up for RG3, it wouldn’t shock me if they tried to get him between rds 2-4. Shanny had him all week during Senior Bowl.
Rohpuri - February 13, 2012 via mobile
I like Foles. Haven't studied Cousins as much.
Brock Osweiler is another to look out for. Reminds me a bit of Ben Roethlisberger.
BigBlueIntervention - February 13, 2012
For me it's after the 5th
The way I see the first round:
Luck
Kalil
RGIII
Blackmon
Claiborne
???
Omar Little - February 13, 2012
Trades make even that part kind of muddled lol
BigBlueIntervention - February 13, 2012
Weird draft this year.
It’s even weirder that two of the top three teams (well the first two picks that were actually worried about) aren’t going QB, and there’s five or ten teams that still need a QB.
Omar Little - February 13, 2012
Exactly. Should be real exciting.
BigBlueIntervention - February 13, 2012
I recall last year when I watched the draft
Went to BWW, they had a Thursday wing special, there were a few Vikings fans next to me (live in the midwest) and they had some good players falling: Fairley, Amukamara, and a few of the tackles. They were pretty excited and talking about getting some help on defense or another good player that drops, one of them looks to me and says “Watch them go ahead and do something like pick Chris Ponder!” We laughed and said, nahhhh…gotta be either Fairley or Amukamara, pick comes in.
….
….
…
That sucks bro.
Omar Little - February 13, 2012
my boy is a Vikes fan
they should have taken Fairley or Amukamara and then moved up for Ponder in the late first or 2nd
awful decision
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
It was just hilarious.
“Watch them go ahead and do something like take Chris Ponder!”
…With the 12th pick in the draft
Omar Little - February 13, 2012
yeah worst prediction ever because he knew it was gonna happen
that sucks
in the 2nd round back in 2010 I said “watch we just traded up for Sean Lee” and people started laughing at me, well who is laughing NOW!
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
they could really use
a some help now that the Williams-wall is in disrepair
AustonianAggie - February 13, 2012
word
now they gotta face Fairley twice a year
he would have been great there
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
They won two games last year
They could use everything.
Omar Little - February 13, 2012
I was at the draft. It was epic.
During the Vikings pick, we all laughed and laughed and laughed.
Some 49ers fan got excited when the pick came cause he thought he was getting Gabbert. He was yelling it aloud and we’re getting pissed off. Then they chose Aldon Smith, and he goes…WHO THE F*** IS THAT? And we all laughed.
Guess he’s laughing now.
BigBlueIntervention - February 13, 2012
what an idiot
if I got Aldon Smith I might have bum rushed the stage
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
lol he was probably drunk and thought they said "the 49ers select.....Alex Smith
and misunderstood the Aldon part
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
hahahahahaha. He certainly was drunk.
We all pointed at him and chanted “Asshole! Asshole!”
BigBlueIntervention - February 13, 2012
you still?
MilesAhead - February 13, 2012 via Android app
I would
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
Hayward in the 6th ? Whatcha drinkin ?
If Brooks falls to the 3rd I would snag that dude in a nano second even if we did sign Nicks. That would give us a massive interior line.
football mensa - February 14, 2012
you are longing too much for the old days....
massive but slow…power running all the way but in pass protection and in pulling plays they would suffer greatly…..game has changed a lot since those days…..I don’t think that JG wants an offensive line that massive after seeing how quickly Leonard Davis tailed off. He wants somewhere in between an overly athletic Denver line where they are just taught to dive at the knees, and a kill the guy in front of you line ala the 90’s and Emmitt days. I can understand your desire for the size but the need for athleticism is becoming more important these days….
TruBluToTheCore - February 16, 2012
Stepnoski, Allen, Big E were quite the athletes in their day
I think that’s what mensa is looking for, guys who can maul but are also quick enough to pick up stunts, audibles etc its not impossible to find those guys.
DarkKnight88 - February 16, 2012
those are the same guys i'm looking for...but Nicks is more a Leonard Davis kind of bigbody...
once they start going downhill its hard for them to stop the tumble…..
TruBluToTheCore - February 16, 2012
A lot of good CBs went undrafted
Trumaine Johnson
C. Hayward
C. Judie goes very late
J. Hosley
Becho - February 13, 2012
Hosley undrafted?
They have him second round to Philly.
spm01 - February 13, 2012
my mistake
Becho - February 13, 2012
That'd be a hell of a nice break if somebody made that mistake on draft day, haha.
spm01 - February 13, 2012
Coryell Judie has prototypical size and speed
But his draft stock fell this season because he couldn’t get over a tender hammy. He just wasn’t himself all year. If he’s healthy, he would be a great late-round bargain.
KeyOfZ - February 13, 2012
I would snatch him up
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
NFP has him as the 12th best CB
and I think he’s gone by mid 3rd round. Get your CBs early eh
AustonianAggie - February 13, 2012
Cool u are absolutely money w/ this mock
I’d give that draft an A based on the 1st three picks alone, not sure about Brandon Taylor’s game but if Cliff stays focused he’ll be a starter n Asa could be a solid backup w/ the right coaching.
DarkKnight88 - February 13, 2012
i like your picks,
Arent we getting another 4th round pick this year??? could get another player you were looking at.
cmttx - February 13, 2012
supposedly 4th for Bowens....
if we can drop back in the first for another 2nd or 3rd that would give us the ability to fill a lot more holes or ammo to move (tho the compensatory 4th wouldn’t be able to be used in a trade)…
TruBluToTheCore - February 16, 2012
Combine and FA is approaching
This will all be useless in three weeks, still fun, though. It depends on what happens with the OL in FA. Want OL help, need OL help.
Omar Little - February 13, 2012
+1000000
Omar knows what he’s talking about.. Is there anyone else out there who liked watching the oline this season? I’m down for DeCastro or Konz in the 1st then from rds 2-7 use all the picks on D.
DarkKnight88 - February 13, 2012
I think DeCastro is a given as long as he's still on the board.
At least, I hope it’s a given.
spm01 - February 13, 2012
They were willing to trade up for three players in 2010
Earl Thomas, Mike Iupati, and Dez Bryant. DeCastro is every bit as good as Iupati, probably better.
Omar Little - February 13, 2012
I don't think we will see DeCastro at #14 for that reason
and I wouldn’t want to trade up for him because this a good guard class.
CaliCowboysFan92 - February 13, 2012
Disagree
Not all the guards are the same, there’s value in getting your guy. Last year was a good tackle class, but aren’t you glad that they got Tyron Smith over Carimi, Costanzo, or Solder? You could see the same type of difference between DeCastro and the other guards this year.
Omar Little - February 13, 2012
I agree
but I think we could draft a G that could you could win with in rounds 2-5. DeCastro is no doubt better than any other Guard prospect but do you really think its a good idea to trade up for him, give up picks we could be using to imporve the defense?
CaliCowboysFan92 - February 13, 2012
Yes...
Focusing on defense in today’s NFL over protecting your QB would be like a record exec signing Motley Crüe over Pearl Jam in 1989. The defense needs help, but not as much as everyone thinks. They need a corner that doesn’t leak like a sieve and an anchor NT. Other then that, I think it’s fine.
Omar Little - February 13, 2012
And a pass rusher , Omar.
football mensa - February 14, 2012
Besides Guards you can win with their rookie year
In the later rounds it’s kinda sketchy. Definitely some guards that deserve to start, but also some guards that need some game time work on their technique. Need to work on pulling, holding the snap, and proper blocking technique. DeCastro’s the only guy I think can immediately step in and start at a well above average level.
Omar Little - February 13, 2012
I'd add Konz in there too
lets just say the Cowboys sign a vet C, then we 2 Guard spots, I’d feel good about an having one of the guards we already have take one (Kosier, Nagy, Arkin, Holland (if he’s resigned)), then with the other G spot we can grab a good G in the 2nd or 3rd (Washington, Silatolu, Brooks, Osemele, Zeitler). Then we could use the rest of our draft picks for CBs, DE’s, and a late C even.
CaliCowboysFan92 - February 13, 2012
I'd agree mostly...
If they sign a vet center (which they have to)
Their OL needs are:
Two guards, developmental center, and a tackle to look at down the road. One of those guys would be Holland to be there for depth and power packages and the other would have to be acquired outside of the organization. I don’t think those other picks are anywhere near in DeCastro’s league…it’s basically comparing Tom Brady to Matt Ryan IMO. Yeah sure Ryan’s a good player and I’d like to have him but not if I could have Brady instead.
Omar Little - February 13, 2012
lol only we aren't talking about QB's
we’re talking G’s here. the difference between having a great QB and good QB isn’t the same as a great G and good G. QB effects the whole game where a G isn’t nearly as important… IF he has has solid players on the o-line with him so the O-line is a solid unit.
CaliCowboysFan92 - February 13, 2012
Guards are pretty important bro...
All the big hits Romo’s taken were up the middle. Pass rush up the middle is the most disruptive because not only is it in the QB’s face but it collapses the pocket. Guards aren’t blindside tackle, but they’re pretty damn important.
Omar Little - February 13, 2012
Yeah I remember
Boley up the middle, that niners DE, the Ravens ILB’s in the last game in texas stadium… We just disagree about trading up for him, I definitely think that DeCastro would be the perfect pick for the cowboys at 14.
CaliCowboysFan92 - February 13, 2012
Omar
I couldn’t have said it better myself.
Rohpuri - February 13, 2012 via mobile
DeCastro is definitely worth trading our 4th and 5th rd picks
To move up two spots from 14 to 12 if it meant we could get him.
Rohpuri - February 13, 2012 via mobile
Yeah agreed completely.
Get your guy.
Omar Little - February 13, 2012
Or
you sit pat and you get another one of “your guys” that falls at 14. We’re in a good spot and we have multiple needs trading up isn’t gonna help us long term IMO.
CaliCowboysFan92 - February 13, 2012
Well yeah it depends on your board
If Kirkpatrick, Janoris, and Ingram are gone…I’d rather hit on the 1st round pick than get a guy that everyone is merely okay with and have an extra 4th and 5th. Don’t forget the Bowen comp pick too. If at pick 12 there’s DeCastro, Kirkpatrick, and Coples on the board I’d be okay with standing pat.
Omar Little - February 13, 2012
I doubt all those guys are gone by 14
Ingram, Upshaw, Kirkpatrick, and Jenkins. 2 of these guys will probably be there IMO.
CaliCowboysFan92 - February 13, 2012
Me too
I mean I think that DeCastro will be there at 14, so were talking doomsday scenario.
Omar Little - February 13, 2012
DeCastro would be a home run pick A++++++
even though its a G, he is one of the best players in the draft
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
He's clearly the guy I want.
So much so I don’t even know who would be my second choice. Instantly improved running game and passing attack.
What do you think of Ryan Broyles in the 6th or so>
Omar Little - February 13, 2012
If Broyles made it to the 6th, hands off. He's ours in the bottom of the 5th
BigBlueIntervention - February 13, 2012
Ehhh
I could see it. I don’t see him going before the 6th though, the dude can’t even walk now.
Omar Little - February 13, 2012
If we draft a sub 6ft WR
He better be fast and have excellent punt-return skills.
Rohpuri - February 13, 2012 via mobile
He does.
One of the reasons why I want him
Omar Little - February 13, 2012
Broyles would be a great fit
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
Not trading up 2 spots for DeCastro and settling for one of those guys at 14
is the equivalent of saying you view all those guys equally.
I don’t I view DeCastro as the hands down better prospect, long term, and it makes a significant impact in upgrading our offense.
Taking a CB in the first rd of a deep draft isn’t smart especially when we’re talking about 2 guys who have some warts on their character. I’d feel comfortable taking Jenkins or Kirk in the 20-25 range than I would in the 10-15 range. Dallas can’t afford to strike out at pick 14.
I especially wouldn’t pass up trading for DeCastro if it meant settling for Upshaw. I basically view him as a product of an underrated DL.
Ingram on the other hand is a wild card. He’s awesome chess piece to have on defense. You can move him around based off of different packages.
Rohpuri - February 13, 2012 via mobile
I don't understand
the logic of not taking Jenkins/Kirkpatrick in the 10-15 range versus the 20-25 range.
First, you are going to know if they are clean or not because they will be tested. If they are not clean, don’t draft them. Simple.
Secondly, once they are drafted they will come under the the NFL’s drug policy no matter what round they are drafted in. The punishement for doing drugs would be the same no matter when they were drafted per the colective bargaining agreement.
Third, there is a rookie salary cap now and the difference in money between 10-15 and 20-25 is not like it used to be especially considering Jerry Jones’ wealth. If your position is that you don’t want to draft a player because he smoked marijuana a couple of years ago, then it’s best you not draft him/them at all. There is no significant upside in drafting the player later if you feel the player presents a risk.
jevans1729 - February 13, 2012
extra pick
for trading back, midigates the risk
BigBad Joe - February 13, 2012
I can live with an average defense
I can’t live with Romo getting killed, or the OL not being able to support a run game that can control the clock in the 4th quarter.
Omar Little - February 13, 2012
I would rather have an elite defense and a average/solid offense
our offense is loaded, more than enough talent to win it all, the defense needs the help
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
...
In the past two years Romo’s had three injuries that have caused him to miss time or would cause most players to miss time. That’s more than one a year, the offense is loaded at the skills position but is sorely lacking up front. How many elite defenses do well in today’s NFL? It’s all about the offense these days…going defense in today’s NFL is like a record label trying to sign a glam act in the 90s.
Omar Little - February 13, 2012
I think our offense is fine honestly
the line needs help but thats about it
I still rather have a good OL and a really good defense
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
Dallas seems serious about retaining Spencer
Ft Worth Star-Telegram has a blog post saying Dallas has discussed franchising Spencer (for 8.5 million or so); the thought is that by keeping Spencer, Dallas will be more free in the Draft.
Personally I think Spencer is worth a $5 million a year salary or so. Bowen money, and some have even said that’s Laurent Robinson money, which I’m sure Spencer is worth
AustonianAggie - February 13, 2012
That's terrible, IMO.
I’m not a Spencer hater, I think he has a nice role in this defense, but I wouldn’t go out of my way to keep him. He’s not exactly a dynamic player.
spm01 - February 13, 2012
god damn it
Spencer takes up all of our cap space then with that 8 million
do not do that Jerry pleaaaaaaase
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
Not really...
I think it’s a bad move too, but you’re getting an extra 6M when Newman leaves.
Omar Little - February 13, 2012
if we have 12 million in space
we franchise Spencer, that leaves 4 million right
then we cut Newman BEFORE June 1st, thats another 4 million
so we would have 8 million left to sign a CB or C/G
not enough money man
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
Ehhh
Well, not REALLY there’s some ledger errors in there too some weird cap math to go along with that, every year there’s cap casualties too. Though I agree, 8M for Spencer is a stone cold stupid move.
Omar Little - February 13, 2012
That's like saying
Yeah she’s pretty good looking, she needs to lose about 150 pounds, but that’s about it! That’s a massive “but” (no pun intended), Romo’s mobile and good at avoiding pressure but that only gets you so far. You also have to consider the weak running game too, remember all those come from behind losses? Sure the defense needs work, but would they have lost to the Jets or the Lions if they could control the clock with the running game? Or hell, even the Giants the first time? Or the Pats? They need help up front in a bad way.
Omar Little - February 13, 2012
"Spencer is one of the better 3-4 OLB"
is like saying “wow that chick is hot” when only like ten chicks show up to a party and they are all 5’s or 6’s because there are only like 10-12 3-4 OLBs at his position due to the lack of 3-4 teams
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
He's a lot better than you're giving him credit for.
Definitely worth keeping around, I’m not so sure how many more games they’d win with even Lamarr Woodley instead of Spencer. I don’t see how Spencer is involved in this conversation aside from your weird hatred for Spencer.
Omar Little - February 13, 2012
yes, Spencer can tackle and play the run game
so can basically almost everyone else
what people applaud him for is basic stuff that almost anybody can do
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
idk see how its weird
1st round pick
pass rusher
not a good pass rusher
plays against a RT most of the time
has Ware on the other side him
21 career sacks
he is an average player
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
agree
average
CaliCowboysFan92 - February 13, 2012
yup average
I will give him his credit where its due, Spencer is an average player
in between bad and solid
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
my levels
Great- Ware
Solid- Butler
Average- Spencer
Bad- Brandon Williams
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
Butler
he must not be that good if the Cowboys are still considering resigning Spencer.
CaliCowboysFan92 - February 13, 2012
he's better as a pass rusher, but suspect against the run
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
yeah I guess
I’d be interested to see him start a few games and see what he does. He could surprise us.
CaliCowboysFan92 - February 13, 2012
you know
I wish I saw Butler play as the starter for like a 4 game stretch just to see what he could do
Spencer stayed healthy so it never happened
I just like Butler as a pass rusher, violent quick and drops his pad level
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
If we let Spencer go
and we can’t get an early round replacement for him he could get his shot.
CaliCowboysFan92 - February 13, 2012
I think your scale's pretty far off...
Some pretty big definition issues, but ignoring that Spencer grades out as a pretty good OLB in all the advanced metrics. Definitely worth a late first.
Omar Little - February 13, 2012
random thought crossed my mind the other day...
people day that the reaosn spencer should be getting more sacks is becuz he has Ware on the other side of him….
What if Spencer didn’t have ware on the other side getting all those sacks…would Spencer’s numbers increase for a season simply becuz of the lack of one player “hogging” all the sacks?…
If Ware was only a 12-14 sack player a year wouldn’t by default some other player be getting more sacks as a result and Spencer is being penalized simply becuz Ware is so frelling good…?? just a thought…
TruBluToTheCore - February 16, 2012
you know what I want?
I dont want another Ware, I just want consistency
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
Omar
Dude, I agree we can keep Spencer, but you’re crazy if you think LaMarr Woodley wouldn’t be an upgrade over him.
Woodley has and always will be the better player than Spencer. He was the better player in college, and he’s a better player in the pros.
Rohpuri - February 13, 2012 via mobile
I still cant believe we passed on Woodley
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
I still cant believe we're still talking about it
CaliCowboysFan92 - February 13, 2012
lol my bad
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
lol all good
Im just kidding anyway
CaliCowboysFan92 - February 13, 2012
He was a 2nd rounder
Everyone passed on him once.
Omar Little - February 13, 2012
Ehhh...I have my doubts
Never said he wouldn’t be an upgrade, but how many more wins would he provide? Clearly an upgrade at NT or CB would be pretty easy to materialize into more wins but upgrade over a player that’s pretty good as it is? I dunno…I think he’d have to be basically Clay Matthews or Brian Orapko to provide a tangible upgrade.
Omar Little - February 13, 2012
Woodley v Spencer-both rookies in 2007
Woodley: 70 games played, 225 total tackles, 48 sacks, 4 INTs, 14 passes deflected, 7 Forced Fumbles, 1 TD.
Spencer: 76 games played, 266 total tackles, 21.5 sacks, 1 INT, 10 passes deflected, 10 Forced Fumbles.
In 6 more games played than Woodley, Spencer has 26.5 fewer sacks, 4 fewer passes defensed, and 3 more forced fumbles. Their tackle numbers would be identical if Woodley didn’t miss 6 games last year. Oh and despite missing 6 games in 2011, Woodley still finised with 9 sacks. Spencer took 16 games to reach 6.
Both Spencer and Woodley play the same OLB position.
I would much rather have LaMarr Woodley. To this day, I’m pissed we passed up on him.
If you want, I can post their career college numbers as well.
Rohpuri - February 13, 2012 via mobile
I agree
yet Dallas has other holes and doesn’t need to repair adequate positions
AustonianAggie - February 13, 2012
Woodley doesn't
play with Ware and plays a totally different scheme in Pittsburgh. Woodley is DeMarcus Ware in Pittsburgh in terms of scheme. It’s apples and oranges.
jevans1729 - February 13, 2012
Jevans
Woodly plays Spencer’s strong side position in Pittsburgh, and James Harrison plays Ware’s weakside position. So you’re wrong.
Rohpuri - February 14, 2012 via mobile
I'm not saying that Woodley isn't better
My point is that I’m not sure he’d provide an upgrade that you’d notice in the W/L column. I forgot that Woodley missed six games this year, so a lot of his numbers won’t be comprable with Spencer’s. However, even though Woodley is better how many more games would the Cowboys have won with Woodley over Spencer? Maybe four over their careers? I mean I think if they had Orapko over Spencer this year, but Woodley? Ehh…not so sure, probably not a whole lot you can put on that.
BTW, you can’t just compare straight games played, the snaps is what Id compare.
Omar Little - February 13, 2012
But that is
the market and neither the Cowboys or he can do anything about it. The Cowboys WILL NOT pay Spencer 8mil per. What they will probably do is offer him a contract that is back end loaded with a small gurantee dependent upon what offers he has received. I gurantee the Cowboys will not take an 8 mil hit to the cap for Spencer this year. Even though I am one who thinks you are wa.y too harsh on the guy
jevans1729 - February 13, 2012
You do realize that most QB injuries
aren’t on the line? You do realize that QBs with good lines still get hit from time to time, especially if they’re escape-artists who hold onto the ball the way Romo is?
boyman - February 13, 2012
I know Konz i the highest rated guy this year at center but call me crazy for not wanting to draft a guy that has missed time in each of the last 3 years due to injury
You want a linchpin that isn’t going to be broken when you need it the most.
TruBluToTheCore - February 16, 2012
I'm watching the ESPN coverage about the Eagles tagging D-Jax
And I keep waiting for someone to say, “One thing’s for sure – at the end of the day, the Eagles will inevitably out-douche DeSean.”
KeyOfZ - February 13, 2012
lol
AustonianAggie - February 13, 2012
Bryan Broaddus LOVES Upshaw, dislikes Ingram
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
interesting...
why does he dislike Ingram?
CaliCowboysFan92 - February 13, 2012
idk
he thinks he is soft and quit on plays or something
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
Actually, Broaddus has repeatedly noted that Upshaw is not a pass rushing upgrade over Spencer.
Broaduss likes his moter, but does not think he would be a double-digit sack guy. Wes Bunting also stated that Upshaw was an 8 sack a year guy.
To select an OLB that is not a significant pass rushing upgrade over Spencer with the 14th pick would doom this franchise. This team cannot afford to miss with the 14th pick in the 2012 NFL draft, and I have read far too many reports that there is not an elite pass rusher in this draft.
ScarletO - February 13, 2012
The four pass rushers I really like
1) Melvin Ingram
2) Nick Perry
3) Vinny Curry
4) Bruce Irvin
Rohpuri - February 14, 2012 via mobile
Mercilus, Curry, Cam Johnson, Nick Perry
Mercilus simply for athleticism, Curry for experience and consistency, Cam Johnson just becuz he’s a UVA and from what I heard at the senior bowl he was doing extremely well…Irvin is a one trick pony right now….speed speed speed……lots of it to burn tho…Victor Butler upgrade..situational player only imo…
TruBluToTheCore - February 16, 2012
Lemme ask you draft ppl something
Kirkpatrick or Jenkins at 14 who do you take?
CaliCowboysFan92 - February 13, 2012
Ask me after the Combine.
Omar Little - February 13, 2012
thats true for almost all the players
AustonianAggie - February 13, 2012
I would take Luck, RGIII, Kalil, or Claiborne in the top five
There!
Omar Little - February 13, 2012
Capn' Kirk
BigBlueIntervention - February 13, 2012
the one who smokes pot
Archie Barberio - February 13, 2012
The faster/quicker one
Rohpuri - February 14, 2012 via mobile
Everything hinges on the Carl Nicks signing or lack there of...
Now what I will say is we’re in decent shape. If Nicks signs that means we’ll likely be able to target more of the defensive guys we want. If we end up drafting Decastro in the first round(which I have no problem with) it really turns into BPA at that point. Spencer is not with the FRANCHISE TAG!!! I don’t even think I need to elaborate on that. Serviceable and good are two different things we all need to realize that. He’s (4-5)million guy tops!! If not he can walk!! Moving ahead if Jenkins is a top -10 talent why not take him at (14)? Because he was 20year old arrested with pot?? Whoever passes up because of an issue like this is Smoking the dope! You guys and media overblow minor issues.. Josh Hamilton has character issues. Does anyone want to see the Rangers can him? No. Lawrence Taylor was late to a game.. On a cocaine binge… By late I don’t mean players arrive at 9 and he showed up at 1030 and the game starts at 1. I mean second quarter he showed up!!! Now I’m not calling ANYONE LT!! But these are Real character issues! Not they found $10 bag of pot so he can’t be trusted. What’s funny about that whole situation is before he was dismissed he decided to return to school for his degree. So why are we questioning his intelligence or character?? That move said alot with out saying anything. He would have been a first rounder last year as well. So if money and all the wrong things were in the forefront of his life why would he do that? But back to the draft lol … There are Solid defensive prospects at all our positions of need. Here’s my ideal draft
1. Jenkins/DeCastro
2. B. Jones/Curry
3. Crick/ Reyes
4. C. Harris / Tramaine Thomas SS
5. Derek Wolfe
6. Best ILB available
7. Best DB available
7.
BL0217 - February 13, 2012 via mobile
Fun little exercise
1. Peter Konz (C, Wisconsin): Despite losing some support, he is still the best center in the draft and provides an instant upgrade to the middle of the Cowboys offensive line. He is the best player available with DeCastro, Coples, and Kirkpatrick of the board. Konz will anchor the Cowboys offensive line for the next decade, and with Tyron Smith at left tackle (and Free at right tackle), Kosier, Nagy, Kowalski, and Arkin will be left to fight to upgrade the guard spots.
2. Coby Fleener (TE, Stanford): With Witten aging gracefully, it is time to add a second tight end that can actually be a threat in the passing game. With reported 4.5 speed, Fleener could develop into a downfield threat and give Dallas more options out of two-tight end sets with Murray or Jones in the backfield.
3. George Iloka (SS, Boise State): Iloka has the coverage skills to take the receiving tight ends that are becoming en vogue, as well as the size to come up in the run game (Wes Bunting). George could finally shore up a position of need in the secondary that could improve the play of the cornerbacks still on the roster (Jenkins and Scandrick).
4. Evan Rodriguez (FB/TE, Temple): A traditional FB that will be flexible enough to play the role of Moose in Garrett’s offense. He has the size (6’3", 250) to absorb the beating and will provide a presence on the offensive side of the ball out of the backfield and in short yardage. Will take over full time for Fiammetta after 2012.
4. (Compensatory) Micah Pellerin (CB, Hampton) Pellerin could be developed into a strong press cornerback. He has good size (6’1", 195) and likes to play physically at the line of scrimmage (Wes Bunting). He could eventually develop into a starter with the proper coaching…which Dallas may finally have.
5. Donte Paige-Moss (DE/OLB, North Carolina): STEAL of the draft (Spencer’s eventual replacement)! A first round talent (6’4", 260) after a stellar Sophomore season where he collected 13.5 tackles for loss (7.0 sacks), but saw his stock plummet with poor coaching that also affected his fellow preseason first round teammate, Quinton Coples. An ACL injury suffered in December will make him available in the fifth round. Wait, an injured linebacker from North Carolina with first round talent? Sound familiar?
6. Trumaine Johnson (CB/FS, Montana): Johnson will probably run a mid 4.4 forty and will therefore project as more of a safety candidate. Johnson is surprisingly smooth (Wes Bunting) for his size (6’2", 204) and can match-up against the bigger receivers from the free safety position. Trumaine will need several years to make the transition form small school cornerback to NFL starting free safety.
7. Jeremy Lane (CB, Northwestern State): Lane has shown good aggressive play (6’0", 183) at the All-Star games and the size Dallas is looking for at cornerback (according to Bryan Broaddus, ESPN). With good progress, Lane could eventually supplant Scandrick as the slot nickle cornerback.
ScarletO - February 13, 2012
I love this draft
The only thing is, Kosier has an MCL injury plus plantar fascitis. He’s done. If we did this draft, we would need a FA G like Nicks or Grubbs-hopfully Nicks.
Rohpuri - February 13, 2012 via mobile
the plantar will heal and from what I initially heard the ACL injury would not require surgery...
if it does and he is out of action for the year the need for a guard in either FA or the draft becomes more important….
TruBluToTheCore - February 16, 2012
A tight end and a fullback?
Can’t say I’ve seen a mock like that before. So that has piqued my interest.
When talking about football, we often get universal opinions. Too many times it’s just safer to go with the flow and parrot and imitate what everyone else does. So when I see an opinion that is well thought out but way outside the mainstream, I sit up and take notice. I don’t agree, but I at least think about it.
One.Cool.Customer - February 13, 2012
Bennett will be gone, and Martellus was SUPPOSED to be the downfiled threat Hernandez is in New England.
If Fleener is there in the second round, and there are no cornerbacks, 3-4 defensive ends, or OLB’s worth taking there, why would the Cowboys not try to execute a plan that has been sabotaged by Martellus the last four seasons. Reports have Flenner running a 4.5 forty at the combine. He is a bright guy (Stanford grad), and was the primary receiving threat for Luck the last two seasons. All Coby has done the last two seasons is produce at a high level.
Rodriguez is a unique talent that can play tight end (albeit in limited fashion) and fullback. He would be the perfect third tight end/fullback in this offense. He could line up all over the formation, ala Chris Cooley, but be a force as a blocker. Remember that despite having Fiammetta, Dallas still struggled in third and fourth and short opportunities. He could develop into a Larry Centers/ Moose Johnston type player.
Bottom line is that both of these players are mismatch players. Evan and Coby would be difficult for opposing defensive coordinators to account for when game planning. Combine them with an upgrade at center (Konz), the three receivers (Austin, Bryant, and Robinson), the running backs (Jones and Murray), and finally Witten at tight end, and Romo/Garrett will be able to create and take advantage of mismatches all over the field.
ScarletO - February 13, 2012
Scarlet I luv ur thinking w/ that draft
C is definitely a need same w/ TE, I know its taboo on this site to think that j-witt won’t play forever but he is slowing down u could see it this past season, the team will need a FB cause whatever was affecting fiametta may come back n that’s if he’s even re-signed this will help clear the lanes for DeMarco or el gato especially in the 4th qtr to close out games, Rodriguez definitely can help.. Need to do more research on Trumaine n Micah but it sounds good.
DarkKnight88 - February 13, 2012
Scarlet astute analysis
Love the thought process. Jason Garrett approves.
Rohpuri - February 14, 2012 via mobile
I like your thinking Scarlet but don't like taking Konz....
his penchant for injury is enough to at least make you pause about selecting him so high. If as you say we cannot bust with our selection in the 1st round then how does drafting a player that has missed time in each of the past 3 years with various injuries allow you to be confident of the pick?
TruBluToTheCore - February 16, 2012
Let's assume...
That the reports of Spencer signing the franchise tag are correct. It may not be such a bad thing, this makes him easier to trade, and hey if not he eats up $9 mil for a year. The Cowboys will still be looking at $17 mil to spend(including Newman’s cut), and they can probably finagle another $3-5 mil restructing contracts, and maybe cutting Kosier.
Spend $4 mil to keep Laurent. $6 mil on a center(Myers or Wells). Then, split the $7-12 mil that’s left on a backup QB, CB, and S.
Draft:
1. Melvin Ingram – He gets a year to watch while getting in on sub packages and special teams.
2. Jamell Fleming- I think he can come in and be the 3rd CB right away on the outside, when Scandrick slides in the slot.
3. Brandon Brooks- Big, mobile lineman, sounds right to me. Throw him in the mix with Arkin, Nagy, Costa, and Kowalski. Best 2 start, in between Tyron, Vet, and Free.
4. Chandler Jones- I wouldn’t take this guy in the 2nd, like I’ve seen suggested, but was surprised to see him sitting here and snatch him up. He can play 4-3 DE and 3-4 OLB. I think he’s better than Albright.
4. (Comp) George Bryan- We need a replacement for Marty B. Here he is, with better hands and less athleticism.
5. Evan Rodriguez- The guy’s versatility is what caught my attention when reading about him. Good hands, good speed, and doesn’t mind getting his nose dirty. Insurance for Fiametta. Take Chapas outta here.
6. BJ Coleman- McGee’s time is past, and here’s a young gunner(not Chris or Neef) for Garrett to groom.
7. Trumaine Johnson- I can’t see him being here, but I didn’t see him listed in the 1st 6 rounds, so I’m snatching him up with my last pick.
Ceasaleo - February 13, 2012 via mobile
Your draft is better
but they’re both good. I wouldn’t mind either of them. I especially like your choice of Cliff Harris, though. He’s my pet cat this year and I’d love for him to show up on our board.
DerUbermensch - February 13, 2012
Melvin Ingram is overrated
Lissyyyyy - February 13, 2012
I know he's the pet cat for a lot of people but when I look at his measureables precombine along with the fact that he was never a full time player in college makes me worry about his ability to ratchet it up in the NFL...
he may have the burst, athleticism, and upside, but he was never more than a part time gadget player if everything that I’ve read about him is correct….
TruBluToTheCore - February 16, 2012
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