ESPN Draft analyst Todd McShay published a list of five teams that could play big roles in Round 1 wheeling and dealing during the 2012 NFL Draft.
McShay lists the Browns (#4) and the Redskins (#6) as potential early movers in the draft. Both will be in the hunt for whichever quarterback the Colts do not pick and may try to leapfrog each other on draft day to get themselves a franchise quarterback.
Also expected to play a role in any eventual draft day trade activities are the two teams holding two first round picks, the Bengals (#17, #21) and the Patriots (#27, #31). The Bengals could be looking to move up for Trent Richardson, the Patriots might move up for a pass rusher or wide receiver. Both teams might also be willing to entertain offers from other teams that are looking to move up into the bottom of the first round.
The fifth team on McShay's list of course are your Dallas Cowboys.
The main reason McShay believes the Cowboys could shake up the first round is that (what he thinks are) the Cowboys' top needs, defensive backs and linebacker, are also the top needs for the Eagles, who pick one spot after the Cowboys. McShay believes safety Mark Barron is the right pick for the Cowboys:
Barron can be physical in run support, make plays from the point in coverage, and be the kind of high-character defensive leader the Cowboys need. And safety is becoming a more important position all the time given the increased role of tight ends in the passing game across the NFL. If Barron is off the board and the Cowboys don't take a corner, perhaps Boston College ILB Luke Kuechly comes into play given that Dallas LBs Bradie James and Anthony Spencer are set to be free agents.
Barron and Kuechly are players the Eagles will likely target as well, so there could be a bit of a cat-and-mouse game here.
Of course, without knowing what will happen once free agency opens on March 13, much of this is idle speculation, but I'm not sold on either Barron or Kuechly being top targets for the Cowboys.
The Cowboys may very well be players in draft day trades, but probably not because they're competing with the Eagles for the same players. Then again, nobody has ever called me a draft analyst, and nobody ever will either. So what's your take on this speculation?
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If we could dupe Cincy for an extra 3rd to move from 17 to 14 for Richardson I would do it.
Provided we use that 3rd to move up into the secon round to give us 3 picks in the first two rounds.
football mensa - February 11, 2012
let's say dallas trades w/ cincy do the boys
then take Poe @ 17 or is that still too high?
DarkKnight88 - February 11, 2012
Glenn and Konz will still be available @ 17 as will several LB’s. DeCastro & Jenkins could also still be on the board @ #17. But still too early for Poe imo.
I have no faith in Jerry when trading back/forward, but maybe RHG is good at it?
StarloverinWNC - February 11, 2012
DeCastro at 17 might be wishful thinking, IMO.
I know guards don’t normally go all that high, but he’s no normal guard, either.
spm01 - February 11, 2012
The Wall
Just post Stepnoski’s name on the back of Kosier’s jersey for a year, draft DeCastro or Konz @ 17(for 3rd?), sign Nicks, and flip the tackles. They plan on trying to put 10 to 15 pounds on Smith. Sick.
mfoster - February 11, 2012 via Android app
Kosier just tore his MCL in the last game. He won't be ready to go early in the year, if at all.
Rena - February 12, 2012
That is about where a top guard goes. Mid 1st.
Rena - February 12, 2012
I have no faith in jerry trading period.
That herschel fleece happened a long time ago but i’m all for the team just standing pat, following their board, n taking whoever is bpa @ 14.
DarkKnight88 - February 11, 2012
Dark I like your thinking but
history has shown Jerry doesn’t like to draft d linemen. Jerry always waits to address a position group until it has nothing left except lb’s and wr’s.
football mensa - February 11, 2012
yup mensa the lines are the foundation of the team
need to spend quality picks @ those positions.
DarkKnight88 - February 11, 2012
+1
yehti - February 11, 2012 via mobile
Wake me up when Jerry figures this out.
TXHC - February 12, 2012
Lol you'll be the 1st to know
DarkKnight88 - February 13, 2012
I wish we drafted pass rushers and DL
it amazes me how we get buy with what we have
which is an aging Ratlff, I truly love that man for what he does on and off the field, but I would much rather see him as a 4-3 DT or as a DE in our 3-4
Jason Hatcher, love him too but he is just starting to finally come around
Josh Brent is a young inexperienced player with upside, same for Lissemore
other than that, our DL is average at best, Spears is a run stuffer, nothing more, Coleman same thing, I always wondered what Spears would look like as a NT
if we could actually add talent to the DL, man that would be copacetic
Archie Barberio - February 12, 2012
*by
Archie Barberio - February 12, 2012
What big 34 DLmen have been drafted lately?
Where were the Cowboys in these drafts? I mean there’s been a pretty high bust rate for DLmen and passrushers in the draft.
Omar Little - February 12, 2012
No
Carter is their ILB next to Lee, not drafting anothet high. I guess Barron is possible but there should be others there they’ll prefer. Could see a safety in rd 2.
DB23 - February 11, 2012 via mobile
Burfict
I would love this pick at 17 and Barron or Brandon Thompson in the 2nd.
We could run some of the 5 lb or floating formation we didn’t get to see much of this year.
Dt Thompson/Lissy/Hatcher
Dt Ratliff/Spears/Brent
Olb Spencer/Butler
Ilb Carter
Mlb Burfict
Ilb Lee
Olb Ware/Butler
mfoster - February 11, 2012 via Android app
Forrest Whittaker as Vozante Burfict
Lord Humungus - February 11, 2012
Burfict has no character at all
The Cowboys have had enough of these character defective players. No way Garrett wants an attitude case like Burfect around. Here in Arizona, we see the stories about the temper, rage, inability to control himself, the fights with teammates and it just shows him to be the wrong kind of guy.
Jason Schultz - February 11, 2012
Welcome to the blog, Jason!
I’m from AZ too, and I would agree. Then again, we do have some strong personalities on our team that can help him come into his own. We do need a head buster on our D.
BlueNSilverBlood - February 11, 2012
The guy is a nut case and at times he quits on the team and just throws himself around and doesn't even try to make reads or plays.
Pass
Rena - February 12, 2012
No interest in Burfect in any round
wtshaolin - February 24, 2012
Newbie Rec!
Welcome to our world.
fs65 - February 12, 2012
Barron just had the double hernia surgery
He’s going to fall come draft day, considering he wont be at the combine and reports say he won’t be ready until August. I’d rather trade down this draft, and still get J. Jenkins if he’s there. Is it just me, or do you guys think that Janoris Jenkins has got his head screwed on tighter now than Dre Kirkpatrick? I’d rather pick Jenkins considering he understands the magnitude of being smart especially the closer we get to the draft. Even if the charges were dropped with Dre, he doesn’t know how to stay out of the wrong crowd, when it matters to him most.
kevzta - February 11, 2012
Tough call.
But hopefully playing DII woke Jenkins up a bit. I actually liked Dre, but that’s a pretty stupid mistake and I don’t think we need to deal with more immaturity.
spm01 - February 11, 2012
Janoris Jenkins
This guy is a midget @ 5’10" and you expect him to cover WR 6’2" and up to 6’6"? Or TE at 6’6"?
Why do you think our CB and DB are hurt all the time. They are too small and can’t last 16 games without an injury. These tall WR weigh over 220 lbs. Jenkins weighs 190. Go for Dre Kirkpatrick or Stephon Gilmore who are 6’ 2".
jrcowboy49 - February 11, 2012
Kirkpatrick is 6'3 and his foot speed and cover skills are not on par with Jenkins.
You do realize darrelle revis is only 5’11 and in fact the average cb size in the nfl is 5’11 roughly 190!!! So why is everyone acting like this guy is a midget or something? He’s not, he’s an inch short!!! Wowwwwww an inch! Foot speed, ball skills, vertical, and over all speed are much more important than height. I’m quit confident Jenkins will beat Kirkpatrick in all of those catagories.
Dynamicduo - February 11, 2012 via mobile
i would not say Revis got owned by Dez,
but Dez made a big reception or two on Revis. then he got hurt and changed to the ineffective mode.
had Dez not get injured in the first quarter, that match easily could have been another 9/11 for the greener half of NYC on 9/11.
slowmotion80 - February 11, 2012
if they were to average the starting CBs around the leagues height
I bet it would be 5’11
Archie Barberio - February 12, 2012
Don't know he'll slip to 2nd regardless
And I’d be a little disappointed if we got a SS in the 1st round, although we could use one.
Lord Humungus - February 11, 2012
Reports are he will be healed before the draft, so he should be able to work out for teams.
If so then I doubt he falls out of the 1st round.
Rena - February 12, 2012
Do not want Keuchly.
I really don’t feel he is first round material.
DEL1SLE - February 11, 2012
How can they possibly draft three ILBs in three years at #2, # 2, #1.
It’s not going to happen, IMO.
pfloyd1 - February 11, 2012
Just sort of tongue-in-cheek
Draft enough receivers and you could luck into a Megatron. Draft enough ILBs…
accidental innuendo - February 12, 2012
No on Barron
Dallas better and should get a top flight corner with that pick…..
DoomsdayD1969 - February 11, 2012
Mark Barron is definitely a possibility
Luke Kuechly on the other hand, is not.
Rohpuri - February 11, 2012 via mobile
14 is too high for Barron.
football mensa - February 11, 2012
I want DeCastro, but Coples, Jenkins, Ingram, Perry, Upshaw, even Dre
would be preferrable to Kueckly or Barron at #14.
pfloyd1 - February 11, 2012
Is 14 too high for Barron or too high for a safety?
a) Barron is #15 on NFPs rankings, #18 according to CBS, and # 13 according to ESPN Scout’s INC. That doesn’t seem too high to me.
b) In 2002 The Cowboys took Roy Williams #8 overall; In 2003 The Steelers took Troy Polamalu # 16 overall; In 2010 The Chiefs took Eric Berry # 5 overall; In 2010 The Seahawks took Earl Thomas #14 overall.
Rohpuri - February 11, 2012 via mobile
And we could have had Ed Reed instead of Roy.
Barron can’t do what Earl Thomas Polamalu do. He is a different kind of safety.
I think he is in the mold of Kam Chancellor. Hey we got AOA instead. LOL
football mensa - February 11, 2012
If you think about it
We could’ve had Ed Reed and Troy Polamalu at FS and SS for the past 9 seasons.
Rohpuri - February 11, 2012 via mobile
Damn w/ ed n troy back there even
ball or walker would look good
DarkKnight88 - February 11, 2012
* provided that you can scotch tape them together.
i mean Reed and Polamalu. and while they are out, you have a secondary that does not even meet peewee standards.
slowmotion80 - February 11, 2012
lol
DarkKnight88 - February 12, 2012
Too high for Barron
He’s not a game changer like the other safeties you mentioned.
He’s a good in the box safety with average to above average coverage abilities. Good leader, smart kid and and RKG. He could end up being a D. Woodson type player (optimisic) or a R. Williams bad years type player (pessimistic) he’ll probably land somewhere in between.
Good enough to start, but not a perinnial All-Pro. He’ll actually be a safer pick than some of the guys available just because I think he’ll be a safe bet to be able to come in and start – but his upside is limited IMO.
TK19 - February 11, 2012
this is the thing with Barron
IF he is there at 45, you run your buttocks up there and thank the heavens for him falling to us
safety play is down in college and the pro’s, if you can get one, you grab one when you can
safety play is at such a premium now in the NFL and the talent level is down
I agree that Barron is more of an in the box safety, but he has great ball skills for a SS, some of the best ball skills that I have seen on a bigger safety in a while
Archie Barberio - February 12, 2012
How would you say he compares to Kenny Phillips coming out?
Philips had good physical attributes, good instincts and he fell to the Giants at 31.
Also, it’s funny to see Barron’s stock rising even as he suffers a double hernia injury. Draft season is insanity.
accidental innuendo - February 12, 2012
agree
DoomsdayD1969 - February 11, 2012
Jenkins or Kirkpatrick
DoomsdayD1969 - February 11, 2012
That secondary was pitiful last year and cost the Cowboys a few games. I cant see another season like that….Jerry isnt that dumb….IS HE?
DoomsdayD1969 - February 11, 2012
As a businessman jerry is not
but on the football side of things “TWO” terrible trades for wrs say its still a possibility.
DarkKnight88 - February 11, 2012
LOL
Yes, yes he is. Absolutely.
TXHC - February 12, 2012
shaking my head
isn’t this thrown out every year by the experts
TexasGarcia37 - February 11, 2012
Yes it is
But we don’t know what will happen until the draft takes place.
Jessy S - February 11, 2012
Janoris Jenkins
Should be the pick at 14… And then we need to find a way to get back into the first round to get barron… Resign Spencer, and we should be able to make the playoffs
drobe86 - February 11, 2012 via mobile
In that sceanrio
There also needs to be some addition to the defensive front. A pass rusher MUST be added, or this defense will suffer again
sportsfanatic21 - February 11, 2012
Might be able to trade up for Poe in the early 2nd. If that is the case then Ratliff becomes your 2nd rd draft pass rusher.
StarloverinWNC - February 11, 2012
My crystal ball says Poe is drafted in the 1st round.
accidental innuendo - February 12, 2012
He's 4' tall and may be a WKG.
Lord Humungus - February 11, 2012
Garrett will stay put at 14...he knows a quality prospect will be there
Terry - February 11, 2012
Hope they stand pat.........
“Jerry Jones” and “Trade” go together like matter and anti-matter, disaster ensues……..
since '66 - February 11, 2012
I hope so too!
pfloyd1 - February 11, 2012
Me too
But I wouldn’t mind a trade-down if we get more picks and they are quality ones at that.
Jessy S - February 11, 2012
I'm surprised in 2 ways: One, the sudden love for Jenkins at BBB.
Really, you want that risk? With a pick this high? What happened to the “RKG” Meme?
And 2nd, and related, the idea that there is a “sure thing” at CB with this pick. Any pick comes with the risk the player doesn’t pan out, but going with a guy in the trenches would seem a little safer. And neither Jenkins nor Kirpatrick seem at all like sure things.
If he’s there I’m still with the DeCastro pick. Some people here seem more interested in making a ‘splash’ than just getting a solid, as sure as it can be, pick.
Jenkins is a risky player + a risky position, which = no thanks.
Again, you win games up front in the trenches, NOT at the skill positions.
Realist Larry - February 11, 2012
Yes...
But I think things will hinge somewhat on free agency… ie Nicks? or a corner? lots of decent corners out there in FA.
All things being equal Decastro is still my guy as well. If not him a pass rusher. After all it is quite difficult to play the quarterback position from a hospital bed.
Mojoness - February 11, 2012
FA is the key of course, and the reason I don't even bother w/most of these discussions.
But it’s been weird to see so many do a 180 on this JJenkins guy.
Realist Larry - February 11, 2012
Most of us are reassured by BD26's assessment of Jenkins.
I’m with you though, my first choice is DeCastro.
pfloyd1 - February 11, 2012
you really wanna see TNew out there next year? if Dre is there ya pick'em ...what worries is if he's not
0k - February 11, 2012
No I want him cut.
FA is where I’d look for a CB, and 2nd round and lower.
I’m a Bama fan and yet still not that high on Dre….those secondary players have benefitted from a huge pass rush and dominating defense along with fantastic coaching. It’s really hard to evaluate the players as individuals.
Realist Larry - February 11, 2012
+1
livemontana - February 11, 2012
Well said realist
Rohpuri - February 11, 2012 via mobile
Larry quit making sense. It's absurd. LOL
football mensa - February 11, 2012
my reasoning corresponds with Dre playing in a prostyle offense ...
0k - February 11, 2012
dang "defense"
0k - February 11, 2012
Also: "Fanpost"!
why give front page to a spaghetti on the wall trade speculation?
Realist Larry - February 11, 2012
Disagree, news is thin right now ...
And a theory piece on the Cowboys’ draft decisions warrants a good look.
In this case, I’d like to see the Cowboys trade down, pick up Barron later in the round (or even with a higher 2nd), and add another quality pick in the top 100.
I agree with the theory that the game is won in the trenches. Whether that’s a first-round pick or a bit higher, I’d like to see us draft high for both D-Line and O-line guys.
DalaiLuke - February 11, 2012
I had no problem actually with idea of picking Barron in the 2nd which was floated in another Chia's post
I’ve wanted a good safety for so long….
Realist Larry - February 11, 2012
I can get on board
with using a 2nd…
Maybe even moving up in the 2nd?
Mojoness - February 11, 2012
We all dream about a safety like Woodson ( as Chia posted) ,
but we are poor to nonexistant in drafting good safeties since him.
scotscowboyfan - February 11, 2012
so just throw in the towel and keep signing jags?
Rohpuri - February 11, 2012 via mobile
Agreed
I was thinking of doing a fanpost on the possibility of trading down. I’ll have my theory down below.
Jessy S - February 11, 2012
What the hell else are they gonna talk about right now?
It’s the worst time in the NFL right now. After the combine it’ll light up, until then this is what we get, and I’m thankful for it.
Nickthegrip - February 11, 2012
REASONS WHY...
Its the weekend. How else are we going to get our football fix? Unless you like watching bb. (My Sparties r takin it to the Ohio St. University at the 1/2 right now) : ) More activity at our bestest place in the whole world to talk Cowboys = more cha-ching to keep it that way! Being so close to making the playoffs and seeing the team who knocked us out win the big one = more determination, planning, speculation, just plan ole excitement to figure out how the brass at big D is gonna get those p-sqetties off the wall. U guys gotta lot of great ideas. A lot of the different senarios me like. Some? emm… not so much. It is raising the drama level though! By the time draft day rolls around we will have gone through so many different things that could happen my patience muscles will burst when they finally say… The Indianapolis Colts are now on the clock. Can’t wait.
letsgtld - February 11, 2012 via mobile
We can't miss on this pick
There will be surprises before we pick.A good player will drop.Do we take him or will someone trade up with us to get him.
Don’t want Jenkins here or Barron and too high for Kuechly.
I hate taking a guard this high but DeCastro may be the only safe pick left.
In some drafts Blackmon,Richardson and Kirkpatrick are falling to us.I think someone would trade up a few spots to get one of them.
TCB Orange Dino - February 11, 2012
I really have no problem trading down.
I am not that high on Kirkpatrick and Jenkins’ past legal issues scare me. There is no question the guy has talent but 1 slip-up in the NFL and Goodell is sure to throw the book at him.
For me if DeCastro or one of the top pass rushers isn’t there I look to trade down.
jack dein - February 11, 2012
If DeCastro and Coples are not there.
The FO definitely starts hearing the trade back footsteps.
StarloverinWNC - February 11, 2012
According to BD Jenkins has cleaned up his act. Getting thrown off of the team a year ago woke him up.
BD said he has personally put in over 100 hours this year checking out Jenkins and making sure he was clean. I believe him.
And Goodell can’t “throw the book” at them for 1 slip up. The penalties for a positive drug test are outlined and predetermined in the CBA.
Rena - February 12, 2012
All depends on FA ,
if we can sign OL and a CB then we take the BPA , if not then i want to go OL Iin the 1st.
either a C or a G, secondary after that.
fix the OL and we can outscore opponents.
scotscowboyfan - February 11, 2012
What would we do if
one of the good OTs falls to us,do we take him?
Could Kosier make another season at center and move someone to guard?
TCB Orange Dino - February 11, 2012
If Kahlil (sp?) falls to us, take him.
With Kahlil and Smith as our bookends, we can move Free to guard. BOOM! 30 points a game, easy.
fs65 - February 11, 2012
Kalil will go in the top 5
but Riley Reiff, Jonathan Martin and Adams from Ohio State might be there at 14
I tell you what, I would be all for moving Free to guard and drafting Adams from Ohio State or Reiff/Martin
Adams is really growing on me
but its risky moving Free from T to G, even though the Cowboys like doing that kind of stuff, it would give us one serious OL
Archie Barberio - February 12, 2012
Adams is a pretty fast riser...
I’m a bit skeptical of him at 14 as of now. I have a feeling Martin and Reiff will be gone by 14. Kalil I don’t see getting past the 3rd pick.
Omar Little - February 12, 2012
I think Kalil will be gone too. I was just answering Orange Dino's question.
fs65 - February 12, 2012
That's not going to happen.
TXHC - February 12, 2012
No, Kosier tore his MCL the last game of the year.
It is a year rehab. He won’t be ready to go first of the year, if at all.
Rena - February 12, 2012
he's done
great Cowboy, but started to age really bad last year
thank him and commend him for his service here, but its time to move on and its a shame because I think Kosier is one of the most underrated Cowboys in the past 10 years
Archie Barberio - February 12, 2012
Yeah...
I hope they keep him around the organization. Maybe bring him in as a special instructor at TC.
Omar Little - February 12, 2012
Free to guard,
pick a top RT.
mcgee48c - February 11, 2012
You know the draft talk is too early
when one thread talks about the dangers of taking Barron in the second round—and another thread projects us taking him in the first round. If we can’t get any sort of consensus about where in the draft players will be available, draft discussions are pretty much useless.
boyman - February 11, 2012
Too Early
ESPN has their college football guys talk NFL draft in September. Usually Todd McShay or Mel Kiper would be talking to the announcers and they would miss a game-changing play or two only to pick it up in April when that player who made the play is drafted by the Minnesota Vikings or some other sad sack football team such as the Redskins or Eagles.
As for Barron, I think we can see the Jets selecting him in the first round right after a montage of bad selections.
Jessy S - February 11, 2012
The combine is soon, it will solidify things somewhat.
And the Barron thing is because of his recent injury.
Rena - February 12, 2012
Here's what should be done if we are trading down
I feel that the Denver Broncos would be the choice for a trade partner. Right now they are at #22 and one of their needs is Wide Receiver. Since that is the case, the Cowboys should be able to get their man at the 22 slot and allow the Broncos to get their man at 14, but they lose a third round pick as well.
Jessy S - February 11, 2012
Denver picks 25th, and we’d need their first rounder, their second rounder (57) and probably one of their fifth rounders to make that trade work.
One.Cool.Customer - February 11, 2012
Thanks for the correction
I am not too smart when it comes to NFL draft trade math. But the truth is the same, the Broncos need somebody to play catch with Tim Tebow. One of the reasons why he was so successful at Florida was because of Percy Harvin. Otherwise, the only reason why the Broncos won their playoff game was because the Steelers were expecting run on the first play of overtime and they got a pass instead. Of course it helped CBS’s ratings in terms of the primetime game vs New England, but the Steelers would have provided the better matchup.
Jessy S - February 11, 2012
IMO #14 too high for Barron
especially coming off of a surgery. Would certainly consider picking him with our second pick. Much of what we do in the draft will depend on what we do in FA. We really need to let the “draft come to us”, pick the best players available when it is our turn to pick. I know the salary cap does effect player selection, but we have so many needs and lack of depth we need to trust and follow our draft board
nycowboysfan - February 11, 2012
are you crazy, according to our resident scout
Birddog26, Barron should be ready for workouts by April. 14 isn’t too high for a safety
Rohpuri - February 11, 2012 via mobile
I think dallad knows what they need
And the lack of first round talent in pass rushers and defensive line its obvious Dallas is gonna take one of the corners decastro or trade. Truth is decastro or one of the corners is the only true immediate upgrade I don’t care what people say about coples Ingram upshaw they are not immediate upgrades. They could push starters to play harder but not day 1 upgrades. Wish all y’all want but corners or the one top flight guard is our pick.
Sado44 - February 11, 2012 via mobile
Trade
I wouldn’t be opposed to trading our first pick #14 for both of the patriots first round picks but I doubt the patriots would.
SoCal Cowboys - February 11, 2012 via mobile
Does anyone know how many points this transaction would be?
SoCal Cowboys - February 11, 2012 via mobile
We'd have to throw in our third rounder
14+82 (1,280 pts) = 27+31 (1,280 pts)
One.Cool.Customer - February 11, 2012
But the only way
The Patriots are coughing up their first round picks is if they get Andrew Luck, and send Tom Brady to Indy. Could it happen, maybe, but not likely.
Jessy S - February 11, 2012
They do trade up in the 1st. Rarely, but it has happened.
Rena - February 12, 2012
What if they want to pair Mayo with Kuechly
And trade with the Boys to jump the Iggles?
accidental innuendo - February 12, 2012
You wouldn't get both 1s
but 14th exactly equals 27th and 48th, both owned by the Pats.
If this occurred, I’d want to bundle picks to move back up to 20s or low 2nd round.
Cowtoys - February 12, 2012
If we move to a 4-3 could Hatcher be trade bait?
Lissyyyyy - February 11, 2012
If we are moving on up
To the bottom half of the top ten.
Jessy S - February 11, 2012
Wouldn’t Hatcher make a good DT in a 4-3?
One.Cool.Customer - February 11, 2012
I'd like to give him a shot if that were the case.
spm01 - February 11, 2012
And the 4-3 would help Anthony Spencer as well.
He would become one of the most feared D-linemen in the league.
Jessy S - February 11, 2012
how do you figure that?
Lissyyyyy - February 11, 2012
I just figure in the element of surprise or fear
If we have Spencer coming up behind the Quarterback, we might be able to cause more fumbles, and that would lead to better field position for our offense.
Jessy S - February 11, 2012
he is 255 lbs and is a mediocre pass rusher
why would you think he would do better with his hand down? I don’t get your logic.
Lissyyyyy - February 11, 2012
But we don't know how bad he really is
Until we have a proper chance to test him in the 4-3 defense. I’m guessing RR wants to try to trap the QB, and Spencer could be the man to help. With Ware, Carter, and Lee on that line as well, opposing coaches will be throwing fits at how we are able to be so bad defensively one year and so good defensively the next.
Jessy S - February 11, 2012
yes we do he has been here long enough
Lissyyyyy - February 11, 2012
Giants' D-Line
I keep hearing that the way to win in this league is to be the absolute best at 1 position. I think bringing in Burfict and maybe Thompson, Poe, or Barron in the second would put us at an elite level in our LBing corps.
2 DL sets w/ Rat and Thompson would be sick in base or Nickle. Plus you could bring Ware and Spencer up to the line for a 4-3 look w/ Burfict in the middle and Carter/Lee on the edges.
mfoster - February 11, 2012 via Android app
I dunno if it's being the best at one position..
..unless that position happens to be O-Line or D-Line. The Giants win (just threw up in my mouth a bit, excuse me) because they’re exceptional at rushing the passer, and they do a good job of protecting Eli (usually).
Rush the opposing QB, protect yours, and you’ve got a damn good chance to win any game you play. Great line play on either side improves virtually every other position on the field. If you rush the passer, your secondary is suddenly better in coverage. If you protect your QB, your QB, WR and TE are suddenly all better. If you block the run well, your RB and FB are both much more effective.
spm01 - February 11, 2012
Huh?
TXHC - February 12, 2012
maybe
but he is prototypical 3-4 size.
Lissemore is more of a prototypical 4-3 DT.
A 3-4 team like the Browns who needs a DE might be a good trade partner.
Lissyyyyy - February 11, 2012
our line would be
Mario Lissemore Rat Ware
Lissyyyyy - February 11, 2012
nasty line
Lee Carter Lemon as the LB
yehti - February 11, 2012 via mobile
He might be worth something from the Browns, true.
I know he’s trying to lose a little weight, but Hatcher is listed at 302 where Lissemore is listed at 306. That isn’t much of a difference.
One.Cool.Customer - February 11, 2012
Then y doesn't hatcher play nt?
It has to do with the fact that lissemore is shorter and stronger than hatcher
Lissyyyyy - February 11, 2012 via mobile
yeah, he can get lower under the OL pads and has better leverage that way
Archie Barberio - February 12, 2012
The Browns switched to a 4-3.
Like we should.
football mensa - February 11, 2012
Yes.
TXHC - February 12, 2012
What the.....
Mcshay mocks janoris Jenkins to the cowboys but says they want Barron or Keuchly? I do not believe the cowboys want either one of them over decastro, Jenkins, or Kirkpatrick.
JesseWar3 - February 11, 2012
Barron
Didn’t barron just have surgery for a hernia? And some are speculating that he wont practice until august? If thats the case, he’ll fall and it might be too early to pick him at 14. It would be nice if he fell to the second round and we could maybe move up a couple spots for him.
robME - February 11, 2012
He will be working out before the draft in April. 8 weeks.
Rena - February 12, 2012
I mean this all depends, right?
Lets say the Seahawks want to trade back and there’s only one guy that they’re enamored with left on the board…in that case I’d say do it, don’t let Zona c-block you from getting the player you really want.
Omar Little - February 11, 2012
Trying to move up for one player isn't smart
The team has way to many holes to be throwing in exrta picks or next years picks to grab one player.
ol nasty - February 11, 2012
Well the teams that don't have holes usually tend to not have elite strengths that take them higher places.
I’d say the Lions and the Falcons are the most well rounded teams in the league, but they’re both worse than the Packers and Saints (who have some flaws) in their own divisions. So I’d say find something you got going for you and go all out.
Omar Little - February 11, 2012
Go all out ?
Even if its giving up your future ? Plus is there one player in the top 10 of this year that you would trade the future for? Is the team one player away at any spot?. I guess it depends on what we are able to do in FA.
ol nasty - February 11, 2012
Well go all out in terms of that's what you spend your resources on.
For example, they have a good offense but they need a good OL in order to have a great offense. I’d rather have a great offense with a “meh” defense than a team like the Falcons.
Omar Little - February 11, 2012
The Falcons went all out for Julio last year.
Didn’t work out well for them.
Rena - February 12, 2012
That's not what I was referring to.
That being said, it’s too early to hate the Julio Jones trade yet. Just because they were bounced in the 1st round doesn’t mean that Julio Jones wasn’t good nor does it mean that he can’t be better than the players that Cleveland selected. Nor does going all out imply “make as dumb as moves as you can.” I’m suggesting that they use their resources on the offensive line trying to beef up the offense and making the most use out of their team’s best resources.
Omar Little - February 12, 2012
I agree Rohpuri, #14 is not too high for a special performing safety
but is Barron that good that we would use this pick for him. This has to be a pick we don’t miss on. What do you think about Barron overall? I think I heard he has slightly stiff hips and does’t play man to man coverage very effectively.
nycowboysfan - February 11, 2012
He's not the 14th best player in the draft by any means. He's somewhere in the 20's
Therw will be way better players available at 14. Barron shouldn’t even be an option. No disrespect to him b/c I think he’s a 1st round player but he’s not a top 15 draft talent.
Dynamicduo - February 12, 2012 via mobile
none of top corners seem
like real game changers although they could be. but so could corners from the second, third and fourth rounds. guys like jamelle fleming, gilmore, et al.
On the other hand, Decastro and Copples do seem like game changers. I would love to get Decastro and then use the rest of the draft on dbs, sign a ton of UDFA after the draft. Bring 25 DBs into camp. 2 or 3 of them will work out and we’ll be ok. Fleming I watched he is underrated, got speed, tools and great coaching. Coaches that teach players How to go about it the right way. We don’t have to risk it all on one of these two questionable CB. We stay far away from both of them. Guys that get in trouble without money what are they gonna do with a couple million dollars in their pockets. Its not like they were stealing groceries to feed their kids. Drugs assaults etc. Running around with possies to all the clubs. We don’t need to have babysitters on them 24/7 ala pacman. My two cents.
dmagikwand - February 11, 2012 via Android app
You can't bring 25 DB's into camp.
Or you wouldn’t have enough slots left on the camp roster to even make the rest of your team be there. You would barely have enough room for your game day 53, if you knew who they were.
Rena - February 12, 2012
How many guys can you bring into camp?
Omar Little - February 12, 2012
80, last year was a exception due to the lockout for 90.
Rena - February 12, 2012
oops. i forgot there was a camp limit. I say still we bring in as many as possible and make early decisions apprentice style on the guys that don’t seem to have it to leave time to bring in players for other positions of need asap.
dmagikwand - February 12, 2012 via Android app
Is it possible for Kirkpatrick to
play safety? I know you can’t automatically assume a large CB can just slip over to FS but the word is he tackles very well and is great in zone but average to good in press coverage. he could be the ballhawk we are looking. Imagine signing Finnegan then having Jenkins, Scandrick and Kirkpatrick on the field at the same time. Dre could man the corner when Jenkins inevitably tweeks a hammy or whatever and is gone 3-4 weeks. Anyone think he is FS material?
dmagikwand - February 12, 2012 via Android app
Scouts talk of moving Dre to S, IMO if you draft a top 10 talent CB why mess with him?
Rena - February 12, 2012
Sometimes it seems like there
FS has even more opportunities to make plays on balls than CBs who often have their backs turned whereas a FS with great closing speed and height can sort of play centerfield, lock in a ball and go get it. A lot of tipped passes can be had as well. A safety like that may also be the only answer for some of the tight ends in the league today. I don’t know just a thought. Not saying he couldn’t play corner at all but I like the idea of a player that has two options. If Barron fails at safety then thats all you got is a failed safety. I would not use a top 15 pick on him unless we are looking at Ed Reed 2.0, which we are not.
dmagikwand - February 12, 2012 via Android app
Rena Dre has a fs build....
and a fs game. He is one of two cb’s I would consider moving to fs. Gilmore being the other
football mensa - February 13, 2012
I ink you need to take BPA and the player that is least likely to be a bust. IMO without a doubt decastro is the safest pick. I don't see him being a bust
Kirkpatrick, Jenkins, Ingram, upshaw, etc. all have talent and may make great nfl players, but they all have questions also. I don’t think anyone is questioning any part of decastro’s game. BUT, G can be found in later rounds so I’m ok if they take a chance on a different player. If it was me, I’d take decastro, get a
solid FA center, resign lumpy and we automatically have one of the best lines in the league and will for yrs to come.
Dynamicduo - February 12, 2012 via mobile
Mike Mayok NFL Station
who in the heck is he and whay are his ranking so skewed?
His CBs are 1)Claiborne2)Jenkins3)Dennard4)don’t remember and 5)Kirkpatrick
He has Barron as the No.1 safety Poe is about No.4 at that position.
I’m sure the combine will change alot of the media’s evaluations.
TCB Orange Dino - February 11, 2012
Mayock is my favor fav draft guru
next to Chia of course. Hope he hasn’t sold out to the agents. We better keep an I on him. We might have to call him out or throw him under the bus or something. Lol!
letsgtld - February 11, 2012 via mobile
thanks
yeah I really like Mayock myself, I disagree sometimes with him on his rankings because he does get out there sometimes, but overall mayock is one of the best out there
he is like a robot, a draft robot, 24-7 scout all the time
Archie Barberio - February 12, 2012
It just really drives me nuts to hear him say "Uric Burry"
gershwin - February 13, 2012
That sounds pretty spot on to me.
Mayock knows his stuff.
TXHC - February 12, 2012
NFL journalism 101
Anytime mentioning a rumor, speculation, or anything of the like….throw in the Cowboys at the end. It leads to more reads/clicks.
mhuff13 - February 11, 2012
got ya
BSPN is doing pretty well with the Peyton thing though ; ) COWBOYS
letsgtld - February 11, 2012 via mobile
Barron has a double sports hernia, he isnt going to be ready for training camp
Not a 1st rounder anymore. End of Convo.
Landonmccool - February 11, 2012
That injury
Keeps him out 6-8 weeks… Is the season starting in April or something? Barrons a great player and 14 is about where he belongs…. It’s funny listening to all you draft gurus talk about how guys are gonna be good or bad or etc. Have any of you watched tape? This team hasn’t fielded a decent defensive back in 15 years…. We need both Barron and Jenkins if we can get them
drobe86 - February 11, 2012 via mobile
Ok, so you read the 1st couple of reports out, but you haven't read or updated your thinking since.
Like Drobe says he will be working out before the draft happens in April.
Rena - February 12, 2012
Now as a 2nd rounder?
Could he be the Annual Sean Lee Injured First Rounder pick?
Landonmccool - February 11, 2012
Wouldn't hurt my feelings none
With the new N.F.L. passing thing happening its time we start getting our safety positions figured out. Just hope we find a ballhawk type guy whether its Cb or whatever. Some leadership back there is badly needed
letsgtld - February 11, 2012 via mobile
I would love to see us trade back.
There is enough talent in the draft that we could pick up an extra second or third and move back. I don’t want DeCastro, Barron, Jenkins or Kirkpatrick, personally.
I definitely have faith that our staff has a game plan in place, and will make good decisions when the time comes.
BlueNSilverBlood - February 11, 2012
If the right guy is available
Make the pick, don’t get cute. In 2004 the team had a chance to land Steven Jackson at #22 and traded with Buffalo to get the picks that eventually became Julius Jones RB, Sean Ryan TE and Marcus Spears DE. In 2006 (the year Bill Parcells proved he’d stayed too long) in the 2nd round with Marcus McNeill T improbably on the board the team traded with the Jets surrendering another later pick to get ultimately the picks that became Anthony Fasano TE, Pat Watkins S, and Pat McQuistan G. Jackson has been a solid RB for St. Louis for almost a decade and I’d argue the difference between him and Julius Jones is greater than the value of Marcus Spears over the years. McNeill made the Pro Bowl at T his first 2 years and started 62 out of a possible 64 games his first 4 seasons. No guarantees those players would have done as well with the Cowboys but I doubt they would have sucked.
In 2007 they traded out and then back up in a complicated set of moves. The picks turned out to be Anthony Spencer LB and Felix Jones RB in 2008. Both have had spotty careers with more promise than production. However I can’t fault the trade because I don’t remember if an impact guy at a position of need was available in the spot Cleveland picked Brady Quinn. I know I was interested in Quinn. Dwayne Bowe went right afterwards, but I know Jerry doesn’t like to draft WRs so I doubt he would have been the pick. I put this one in because if there isn’t an obvious guy there then yes explore the trade options stockpile and use a shotgun approach. Giving up on obvious solid value at need positions for an extra lower round scratch off ticket rarely pays off for the Boys.
Evil Dallas - February 11, 2012
ur right jerry doesn't like to draft wrs he just sends a mortgage of picks for em instead lol
DarkKnight88 - February 11, 2012
McBriar's surgery went well. Doc says he's good to punt. link below,
http://www.nbcmontana.com/sports/30431469/detail.html
CowboyMan - February 11, 2012
Silly
No way we go after Kuechly or Barron at that spot. Kuechly isn’t a need in the first round and the Cowboys would almost certainly want to trade down if they were looking at Barron.
DerUbermensch - February 11, 2012
Just so people are clear on my position for #14
1) If DeCastro is there, you take him. He’d be the BPA, and he fits a need at Guard.
2) If DeCastro isn’t available, then go BPA and choose between Kirkpatrick, Jenkins, Ingram, and Barron.
3) If Trent Richardson is BPA-take him, and get on the phones and shop around Felix Jones.
4) If by sheer stupidity Andrew Luck falls to 14, take him and trade Romo.
5) If one of the tackles falls to the 14, draft him and either switch Free to G or shop him to a team like the Chargers-from what I hear, they won’t bring back Ryan McNeil.
6) If Mark Barron happens to be BPA at 14, just take him. Safety is one of our holes. Remember, BPA+NEED=TD
Rohpuri - February 11, 2012 via mobile
Roh that sounds like a solid plan imo
DarkKnight88 - February 12, 2012
Yeah probably my plan too.
Finish the OL.
Omar Little - February 12, 2012
You should also consider
The Cowboys may trade down if they miss out on a top OL, DL or CB. Their could be a large enough gulf in their rankings between the 13th- and 14th-best player.
accidental innuendo - February 12, 2012
Barron has a double hernia and isn’t likely to be ready to go for training camp. He ain’t going anywhere near 14.
JimmyK - February 12, 2012
You sure Jimmy? Reports are he has already had surgery and it is a 8 week rehab.
Rena - February 12, 2012
BGN is always a little behind haha
thebigham - February 12, 2012
But does that mean he will be 100% in 8 weeks or he can start rehabbing after recuperating for 8 weeks?
fs65 - February 12, 2012
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