KD has made a very good point about how things are kind of slow around here, at least as far as trying to find topics for entertaining and informative articles. It's that time of year when we watch the calendar, waiting for the next key date to see what the Dallas Cowboys are going to do to try and fix their problems for last year and get back into the playoffs where the Good Lord and the laws of the universe intend them to be.
So while we wait for the NFL combine and free agency to roll around, and suffer through having the New York Giants and the New England Patriots play in the Super Bowl, we parse and dissect and analyze and discuss. All of it is at best informed guesswork. But heck, we all love to play GM and/or coach for the team.
This is one time when having a couple of outspoken figures like Jerry Jones and Rob Ryan out there gives us some interesting fodder for our imagination. Taking the comments OCC looked at from RR about looking only at defensive backs and the previous statements from Jerry and Stephen Jones about the overall roster, I think we may be starting to get an idea of the strategy the team is going to use in the next few months to put together the 2012 version of the Cowboys.
I may be wrong, of course, but why should I let that stop me?
See if you think I am on to something after the jump.

With RR stating his priority is on the secondary, and JJ making comments about the front seven being the strength of the defense, it is starting to appear that the speculation about players such as Quinton Coples, Michael Brockers and Nick Perry coming to the Cowboys may be somewhat pointless. I don't put much weight on speculation that the statements coming from the GM and the coaches are a smokescreen. Perhaps I am naive to take them at their word, but frankly I just don't see them putting that much effort into deception. If I am mistaken, we'll find out soon enough, but for now, I am going on the assumption that they mean what they say.
If the first pick is going to be on defense, then it looks to be someone like Dre Kirkpatrick, Alfonso Dennard, or Mark Barron. (I am using the draft prospect ranking from CBS as my point of reference here and those guys currently cluster near the 14 slot.) This may change significantly after the combine, of course, but I would bet that if the first round pick goes for a defender, it is going to be a DB, just like Rob said.
The alternative would be a guard or center, under the logic that protecting Tony Romo is going to be key for the team. But since I don't know how that bit of prioritization is going to be handled, I will just say that I would expect the first three rounds to be used to solve the OL and DB issues, and maybe a couple of more picks beyond that.
That means that the team has another approach in mind for the defensive front seven. Either they have some targets in free agency, or they plan to go with the players on the roster after a full off season to coach and train them up, or some combination. I think the main plan is going to be to develop the existing roster. The Cowboys have four young players on the D line, Sean Lissemore (24), Josh Brent (23), Clifton Geathers (24) and Robert Callaway (23), who was stashed on the practice squad. And in the linebacking corps, you have Sean Lee (25), Victor Butler (24), Bruce Carter (23), Alex Albright (24) and Orie Lemon (24). That is a bunch of young guys, and I think the coaching staff has seen some talent there it thinks can be developed. Carter is mentioned as one of the Cowboys 25 and under to be watched by ESPN Dallas, and I like the indications of a youth movement. Now, the argument about just how valuable the off season is going to be for developing players is still going to come up - but I have been hearing some new information about that.
The rules of the new CBA are just now getting sorted out and clarified. I mentioned in an earlier post that the players are allowed to use the team training facilities, although not under direct supervision by the coaching staff. However, each player has been provided with an off season conditioning program that is strongly recommended for them. Also, the Dallas Cowboys do have an official off site training and conditioning location, where the staff has been given information on the program the Cowboys want the players to follow. The only thing still being worked out under the CBA is how much contact the staff at off site facilities can have with the team coaching staff. Not whether they can contact them, apparently, but just how much. Also, many of the outside trainers have some experience on NFL staffs.
This essentially seems to mean that the players now can be training and conditioning for the entire off season, and doing it in a way that closely conforms to the team strength and conditioning program. Given the statements from JJ and RR, I infer that this means that the team thinks it has players already on the team that will allow them to put a better defensive front on the field next season.
The opposite of the youth movement is aging players. Keith Brooking (72, I think) is almost certainly at the end of his career, and Bradie James (31) is getting there, too. DeMarcus Ware (29) obviously is not a concern yet because of his age, since he is still one of the premier pass rushers in the league, and it seems likely that Jay Ratliff (30) still has a year or two left in the tank, as do Jason Hatcher (29) and Marcus Spears (28). Kenyon Coleman (32) may or may not, but that question does not have to be answered right now. His future, and Spears', will likely be decided in OTA and/or camp.
Anthony Spencer (28) is a bit of an uncertain quantity as a free agent, but I am suspecting more and more that the team will resign him if the price is not too high. I think he is fulfilling his role in the Rob Ryan defense better than many think. If there is any upgrade coming in the pass rush, it may be in free agency, but it does start to sound like the team is not all that unhappy with what it already has to work with.
Since I'm talking about ages here, this is another argument for the focus Rob has on defensive backs. Terence Newman is 33. Frank Walker is 30. Abram Elam is 30. Older usually means slower (definitely with Newman) - and slower and defensive back are not two things that go together well.
So Rob's comments make a lot of sense to me. The team has at least three DBs that need upgrade (and Alan Ball could count as a fourth, although he may still have a chance to stay with the team as a backup). The free agent crop does not look terribly promising, particularly at safety (not that the draft is much better there). But the cornerbacks do look good for the draft, so this could be to the secondary what last year's draft was to the offensive line.
Speaking of the offensive line, I have already said that I expect to see at least one pick go that direction, as the team has to decide what role, if any, Montrae Holland, Kyle Kosier and Derrick Dockery have. I would not be surprised to see two picks used here during the draft, depending on what moves the team makes in free agency.
There is also one other question to be answered, and that is how will the team replace Jon Kitna? I do think Stephen McGee may stay with the team, (Jason Garrett seems to like him, at least partly because he does well as the scout team quarterback). The team may look to free agency, and it may even look to trade for a current backup with some NFL experience (not an older guy, but a younger one with some developmental potential) if it is something reasonable, like a late round draft pick. Just some kinda informed speculation, but I am waiting to see what moves the team might make in that area. I am starting to think they are not looking to draft a quarterback this year, but you never know what might happen in those late rounds.
So there is some rampant speculation for you. I look to see the first four or five picks go to fixing the secondary and O line. Then in late rounds the team will be able to do some BPA or perhaps project drafting. And right now, I think many of the faces on the defensive front seven may be familiar to us next year. The offensive line is going to get some help, likely through both free agency and the draft, and the offensive skill positions are largely set, pending how the Laurent Robinson situation is resolved.
That's my theory. Today, at least. Who knows what I'll think after a good night's sleep?
4 recs | 118 comments
nice break down
I hope we do get 2 good CB’s in the first 3 rounds. I am up in the air about a pass rusher right down. I know we need to get to the QB better. It may come with moving to the 4-3.
Because it is looking like the are lining up some good D-linemen. Maybe the could slid Butler to the inside if the do. Carter and Butler on the outside and Lee in the middle.
tattooed cowboy - January 31, 2012
I think the team is going to stay a base 3-4, but with a lot of 4-3 looks.
At least while RR is coaching, I think he wants to vary what the other teams have to handle.
Tom Ryle - January 31, 2012
Yeah, he's already shown a lot of 4-3 looks
He seems to like 3-4 for run defense, 4-3 for pass defense, and “amoeba” for 3rd down and long
Blue Eyed Devil - January 31, 2012
I'm really, really ignorant here
but I wonder whether this dichotomy will soon be a thing of the past. Running the 3-4 or the 4-3, drafting for the 3-4 or the 4-3, may hurt us either way.
Am I being simplistic, or will it work to simply get the best players we can out there, adjusting to what the offense is showing, and forget the whole 3-4 vs. 4-3 entirely?
boyman - February 1, 2012
Some analysts think
the better defensive teams are going to a hybrid 3-4/4-3. Could be we’ll be right in the middle of the “next wave”.
dunkman - February 1, 2012
It does seem to be where RR's head is.
He just wants to put the players where they can stop the play. I do think he is not a 3-4 “purist” and could effectively use a traditional 4-3 end or linebacker.
Tom Ryle - February 1, 2012
I agree
And I don’t doubt he can pull it off with a little more talent.
dunkman - February 1, 2012
I completely agree Tom
You look at the packages he puts in and it can be a mix of 3-4, 4-3, 4-6 or what ever he sees he needs to stop the opposing offense based on all of their tendenacies. I will take the Belichick approach and say it comes down to communication, knowing your assignment and executing. As fans we all get to wrapped up in the the labels and not the flexibility of a defense.
Birddog26 - February 1, 2012
jerruh does smokescreens all the time
remember Mosely being used last year to claim all the insiders were saying we were going to pass on Tyron Smith?
burmafrd1944 - February 1, 2012
you’re not really offering us anything new here Tom. Not to be bitchy but this post didn’t need to be made…sorry.
Still enjoy and appreciate all the writers hard work, but please don’t just post something for the sake of posting.
StarloverinWNC - January 31, 2012
Actually, there is some stuff, but I had to skirt around the edges
Anyway, I had not noticed how the team was lining up the younger players, and that was rather new to me. Anyhow, I had fun playing with the idea.
Tom Ryle - January 31, 2012
The post is perfectly valid
With the new information from Rob Ryan, trying to figure out what might be the Cowboys strategy is what we’re all doing.
White Wolf - January 31, 2012
Thanks WW.
I do this all for fun anyway, so might’s as well enjoy myself.
Tom Ryle - January 31, 2012
I think it's a good piece.
When your D-coordinator and General Manager make a statement that seems to contradict what other observers note about your team, that’s a story. Tom, I’m glad you took on the subject. I thought our pass rush was mediocre this season and I hope they upgrade that before investing in the defensive backfield.
Jim Vance - January 31, 2012
I cast the third and deciding vote with WW and JV
this is exactly what I’ve been trying to bounce around in my head (not a large place by any means) and this article sort of clarifies the options. Assuming we’re not missing key pieces of information, the two Cowboys spokesmodels have made three key statements:
- The interior of the line was worse than they thought and needs to be improved (JJ)
- I’m only looking at DBs (RR)
- I love me some Dallas front 7 (JJ)
You’ve done a nice job creating a hypothesis from those. Based on that, I would think Dallas will go with BPA between o-line and CB/S at 14, and then roll through the draft heavy in both spots. Which works well since this draft is fairly deep for those positions.
The interesting part for me then is FA. Is that where they look at a pressure player on defense?
dunkman - February 1, 2012
At this time, FA is a cloudy situation.
Part of it is the question of what happens with Laurent Robinson, Anthony Spencer and Martellus Bennett.
The team wants to keep Laurent, but his price could be bid up. I think RR would like to keep Anthony, but he could also be hired away because I think the team will only pay so much for him, and Martellus is the same thing on the offense, with, I think, an even lower threshold for the team not matching a bid.
Until those questions are answered the team does not know what holes it has. If, for instance, Anthony goes somewhere else, then the team has to think about making OLB a priority. Even if Victor Butler and/or Alex Albright can step up, the team will now need depth there.
Those are the only three unrestricted FAs that the team is concerned about, IMO. I think the other FAs on the team are all players they can part with, and they pretty much have control with the restricted and exclusive rights FAs. Once those three are resolved, then the team will be able to look at what it can do signing other FAs. And in reality, these things will be happening simultaneously, so things may change rapidly.
Tom Ryle - February 1, 2012
That's true
I think given LR’s statements, they’ll be able to sign him reasonably. It’s a great fit both both sides. But if not, they have a lot of young, promising guys stashed, so I doubt they invest much in the position. Spencer is a real question mark for me, because he’s good enough to draw interest but not good enough to break the bank keeping him. So maybe it depends heavily on their assessment of the back-ups. And clearly the team agrees or they would have already started negotiations. I am pretty sure they will let MB walk, so I think finding another TE is in the cards.
BU QB and a project QB should be on their list. Rmo probably has several yers left, but the P Manning thing should remond everyone why they need a Plan B and C.
dunkman - February 1, 2012
I think backup QB is actually in the works.
I have heard (this is a rumor more than anything hard) that they have discussed acquiring someone in a trade. Don’t know if it will go anywhere, but the team is taking some steps to line things up. I think it is all informal at this time, but they do seem to be moving.
Tom Ryle - February 1, 2012
2-3 DBs early
I could definitely see them even trading down for an extra 2d or 3d round pick and taking 2 corners and a safety in that 20-80 range, something like Gilmore/Boykin/Iloke.
DB23 - January 31, 2012 via mobile
I don't really like trading down, but if we aren't going for a pass rusher then I would prefer to.
IMO Dennard just isn’t a 1st round pick. Obviously things will change with new info between now and the draft, but no DeCastro or pass rush to me means move down a bit and pick up a extra 2nd or 3rd for another S, G or CB.
Rena - February 1, 2012
at this point who knows?
the draft seems deep at CB and G (with only DeCastro worth drafting at 14). Maybe an Ingram or someone who can rush the passer may be up there. Of course, so much depends on whom we pick up in FA. Hopefully we can fill our needs in FA so we can go BPA in the draft.
ScottB1985 - January 31, 2012
BPA
Lord Humungus - January 31, 2012
Yes, which is another reason
to go DB over pass rush. This draft is weak in pass rush, and it’s strong in DBs, which means we could waste picks reaching for what ain’t there, or load the cupboard with what is there.
On the other hand, we can’t SIMPLY go BPA and have a team composed entirely of wide receivers with nary a defensive player among them.
boyman - February 1, 2012
Nice article Tom
It’s always fun to read tea leaves and speculate. It’s what makes us fans. With that being said, what do you think of signing Cortland Finnegan and converting him to FS?
Here are his career stats (93 games played): 473 Tackles, 68 passes defensed, 14 INTs. He tackles well, covers well, and hits guys too. He has all the attributes of a good safety. If you’re worried about his size, 5’10 188, Troy Polamalu is 5’10 207. If he can add 20 pounds, this should work.
Rohpuri - January 31, 2012 via mobile
Well, he might be more valuable staying a CB.
But I’m sure the coaches are pretty open to finding whatever solution they can. Maybe we should put up the Chiasignal for an expert opinion on this. (If you haven’t figured it out, I love his evaluations – in a purely hetero buddy type way).
Tom Ryle - January 31, 2012
lol I agree
Rohpuri - February 1, 2012 via mobile
I inow that's what GB has essentially done with Woodson
They’ve made him their roving FS, he just makes plays.
I rememver when he was in Oakland, the Raiders used to bring Woodson on blitzes, as well as cover guys and play zone.
I think Cortland could do those same type of things.
Rohpuri - February 1, 2012 via mobile
lol
I would leave him at CB, the guy is a CB
Archie Barberio - February 1, 2012
what would the Chia signal look like?
I am not in favor of moving guys to other positions anymore, especially FS, it just hasn’t worked out for us
Finnegan is a real good CB, don’t mess with that
I was always intrigued by Scandrick moving to FS, I just thought his skill set translated there nice, but that will never happen because he is getting CB money
Archie Barberio - February 1, 2012
Like this?
dunkman - February 1, 2012
hahaha yeah thats perfect
Archie Barberio - February 1, 2012
Believe
Finnegan started his nfl career as a S
tdships - February 1, 2012 via mobile
LOL
Just add 20 lbs, he says. Yeah, right. And make sure it’s all muscle and you can still run with slot receivers.
ary201 - February 1, 2012
lol just add 20 pounds of muscle
Archie Barberio - February 1, 2012
Chia
In looking at your signature, I have a question: did you watch the Senior Bowl? If so, what did you think of Ingram’s performance?
RenoCowboy - February 2, 2012
hey guy
I said IF he can add 20 pounds
Rohpuri - February 1, 2012 via mobile
Really depends on some factors such as Mass Body Index, frame and some others factors and time
Doing that with a hard training program with Combine prospects is easier. Not impossible with a player and depending on the vaireables can be easy. We do it with Combine participants in 5 weeks every year, given 4 to 5 months with a vet player it is possible.
Birddog26 - February 1, 2012
that's what I was thinking
I thought between March and August it should be possible to add 20 lbs of muscle.
Rohpuri - February 1, 2012 via mobile
yeah this time right now sucks
basically leading up to the Combine will be nothing to talk about for us
which blows
no Janoris love?
Archie Barberio - January 31, 2012
Chia, if you believe what they are saying, RR looking at CBs and JJ saying strength of D is front 7,
I’m lovin Jenkins. He’s growing on me. even though he’s 5’10 ish, it’s tough to catch a football with a fly in your face.
pfloyd1 - January 31, 2012
lol
Archie Barberio - February 1, 2012
Love your piece Tom, always fun to guess strategy.
We’ll have a better understanding of the draft after FA is completed. That should narrow the field. If we go O, Decastro is the only worthy player at a position of need that might be there. If he isn’t based on your info and assumptions the likely D pick is either Jenkins or Dre. Dennard is not going to be taken that high, maybe in round #2. If the CBs are gone or they are targetting CB in round 2, then either Coples, Ingram, Perry, Upshaw are likely. Still while worth is not hot or sexy enough for JJ and Brockers is too much of an unknown. Even if he blows up the combine, his production is basically unknown and he does not have Suh’s skill set.
pfloyd1 - January 31, 2012
my reasoning for drafting a DB first is...
he will be alot cheaper than a FA…IMO…DE&NT are the bargain guys in FA … that’s where I would shop…especially if he is alot better than what draft class has to offer
0k - January 31, 2012
I think the DE/NT comment has some value.
The only thing is how well the ones out there will fit. There are some good 4-3 pass rushers, it looks like, and we’d have to see how they would fit in RR’s scheme.
Tom Ryle - January 31, 2012
I'm really sold on addressing these
in free agency or not at all. I simply am not convinced that any of the guys who will reach us at 14 (much less the second round!) are going to be immediate upgrades, and as you’re pointing out, we already have young talent to be sorting through.
boyman - February 1, 2012
Newman can't tackle either......
it should be mentioned. The fantasy talk about playing safety should be ignored.
Cwon1 - January 31, 2012
At # 14
The best player on the board is going to be a Guard, a Cornerback, or a Pass Rusher. Any of those works for me. But if Ryan was serious, I was wondering if they might be thinking about taking Barron at 14, seeing how he was the leader on arguably the best defense in college history. Take a corner in the second. Someone like Gilmore or Boykin. There will be a decent Guard in the 3rd. There are just so many different ways we could go.
White Wolf - January 31, 2012
Pass Rushers on D
I didn’t see a pass rush in 2011 that would make me think the front 7 is a strength.
I have slowly come to believe that if you have the best linemen, on either side of the ball, they can cover up weaknesses in your so-called skill positions.
The way the league rules are set up, the receivers can’t be hit, they are getting bigger and bigger, the advantage is to the receiver. Given enough time, the receiver will get open, against a stud like Revis.
The key is, stop the pass at its origin..the QB. Disrupt his timing, make him move around, cause him to make errors and even middling DBs will look good.
Great lines make the mediocre skill players look good, not the other way around. Go D line early and get some long term blue chips there, then pick up some D-back upgrades in the latter rounds. We can upgrade them in subsequent years if we have built our foundations on both O & D lines. (I’m OK with upgrading through free agency too, as long as we don’t give away draft picks)
Jim Vance - January 31, 2012
very well said Jim +1
even with the game becoming more pass happy the battles are won/lost in the trenches, u could have revis primetime, troy & reed back there but if the line doesn’t get pressure some wr will get open just like u could have had irvin, rice, tim brown running routes but if ur oline is filled with costas & procters it wouldn’t matter.
DarkKnight88 - February 1, 2012
in a way I agree with you JV
However, there is a hole in your theory. True a Great Pass rush can cover up a bad Secondary. Up to a point. The issue is that teams will simply go to a short passing game, as most sacks take 2-3 secs to happen. In that Time a good QB can perform a 3-step drop, and Release the ball long before the pass rush gets to him.
The way to combat the Short passing game is to have Corners that are willing to jam WR’s at the line to disrupt those shorter passes, which tend to be timing dependant.
Thus you need a Secondary that can consistently force a QB to hold the ball for up to 4 secs without losing coverage, and a Pass rush that can consistently create pressure in 2-3 secs.
Dallas was tied for 7th in the league is Sacks with 49(#1 had 50 sacks)
Dallas was 17th in INTs, 29th in passes defended, and 21st in Completion %
Given this PRemise: Secondary that can consistently force a QB to hold the ball for up to 4 secs without losing coverage, and a Pass rush that can consistently create pressure in 2-3 secs, which one needs the most help?
I vote Secondary myself
(Note: Times are completely arbitrary and may not be accurate.)
I am Ironman!!! - February 1, 2012
The other fallacy in "pass rush first"
is the assumption that we can improve our pass rush simply by wishing. Very few rookie pass rushers are sure things in the NFL, and IMHO none of them will reach us at 14 this year. (I wouldn’t at all mind blowing some big money on a FA quality pass rusher, because there you’re getting a proven commodity, not someone who might or might not work in the NFL.)
The flip side of that is that SOMEBODY has got to play the defensive backfield. I totally agree that the pass rush is MORE of an impact position—but that doesn’t mean you keep Terence Newman on until he’s 55.
Put differently, most draft picks are going to be, not superstars, but simply serviceable players. Right now, we could use another superstar on our DL, but we don’t really need any more serviceable players on the DL; we’ve got plenty of those. The DB is different—we need up to 4 serviceable players (Newman, Ball, Walker, Elam) even if not one of them is a superstar. If one of the DBs we acquire does become a superstar, I agree with you that it won’t help us as much as a superstar at pass rusher—but it wouldn’t hurt!
boyman - February 1, 2012
great post
ary201 - February 1, 2012
Glad I'm not alone on this...
Here’s a great article about Jay Ratliff and the need for Defenseive Line help first.
They have every NT I’ve been interested in for the offseason. I just hope a bug can get into Jerry’s ear when decision time comes…
CodeNamedG - February 1, 2012
I can agree with the theory
But I’d have to disagree with the assessment of the current line. I do believe we have the pieces to have a very good dominate line. Its just a matter of rob putting those pieces in the correct order. Now I take alot from the NY games this year. When it comes to defense Eli was throwing the ball on 3 step drops. Making completion after completion. It was obvious that they games planed for a weak secondary. If secondary is your weakness oc have to game plan for more time in the pocket to get a receiver open. In doing that you leave yourself open for a good pass rush to take control of the game. Our problem is our pass rush can’t take over cause our secondary was letting qbs make 10-20 yard completions with a 3 step drop. Even if the oline didn’t block a single person and we rushed 11 guys most qbs in the shotgun set can get a ball off before the rush gets him.
I think its more or less fix the secondary so you can accurately judge your pass rush. Until the NY games Dallas is a top 5 in sacks and pressure but throw in the 1sack in two games against Eli and we drop like we did. Its a process can’t fix everything cause with one major weakness its hard to judge what you have and what you need.
Take our oline this year it was so bad at tackle last year it was hard to see where the whole issue was. They fixed the one major weakness and it opened up its other weakness. So now we know the final product will be one new center and guard or one of the other.
So until I see our secondary doing atleast an average job I can’t call our front 7 a weak link yet.
Sado44 - February 1, 2012 via mobile
I agree with Sado...
This is how I see it. Lets use last year as an example. Put another dominant rusher on the other side of Ware and the QB will have to get the ball out quicker. But 95% of the time (that’s what it seemed like to me) the opponents receivers were still able to catch the ball. Now switch it up and leave the same actual 2011 pressure from us but put more capable cb’s back there and I would think they should be able to defend against the ball 50% of the time. Our cb’s were not making plays whether the qb was pressured or not. of course u never know how good someone is untilu let them play so we’re all hoping the next wave of talent is better than the current talent.
P.s. first post so be gentle. Love the site. I’ve never been into this behind the scenes stuff but all this speculation has me excited for the 2012 season to begin.
Frankster_1 - February 1, 2012 via mobile
Newbie rec for ya.
Welcome to the site!
Tom Ryle - February 2, 2012
Frankster welcome to the best site on the net
please feel free to join in on the conversations anytime no matter what ur opinions may be, that’s what this blog is all about.
DarkKnight88 - February 2, 2012
Thanks guys.
Frankster_1 - February 2, 2012 via mobile
I would be shocked
if we took DeCastro at 14. IMO Jason and Steven have their long term OL in house although they will likely sign some short term help. Last season focused on the OL and this draft will be aimed at the secondary. After next season they will be after the best possible upgrades and our future QB. As fans we want to win now especially given our last 15 years, but realistically JG &Co. know that our legitimate Bowl shot is the 2013 season. That is what they are shooting for.
sexililkitti - February 1, 2012 via mobile
I hope part of that strategy doesn't include drafting another injured player with a second round pick.
football mensa - February 1, 2012
Wait for it
With the 45th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the Dallas Cowboys select DE Jared Crick from The Univeristy of Nebraska…
Chris Berman from ESPN: (stops a debate mid sentence) Let’s ask Mel and Todd what they think of this pick.
Mel: Boomer, this is the third year in a row the Cowboys have taken a defensive player in the 2nd rd, who could’ve gone in the first had he not been injured his final season in college. Going into the 2011 season I thought Crick ws a first rd talent, he got injured mid season, and thus his draft stock fell. He’s a great fit as 3-4 DE and is good pass rusher (look up sack#s), I just think Jerry had morre pressing needs at DB/OL, we’ll have to wait and see what Dallas does going forward. (Note: Mel lets it slip the following day that he hoped the Ravens took Crick since he’s big time Ravens fan, and a close friend of owner Steve Bisciotti)
Todd: I disagree Mel, this was a great value pick in my mind. Dallas may not have pressing needs at their 34 DL, but it’s not like they have any playmakers there either. Crick, when healthy can come in produce like JJ Watt. I think Jerry Jones and the Cowboys got tremendous value. As we’ve said since the Combine, this draft is deep for Interior OL/DB, Dallas will have 5 more rounds to shore up those positions.
Meanwhile on NFL Network
Rich Eisen: Ok Mike Mayock, tell us what you think of Jared Crick to the Cowboys?
Mayock: Rich, when I watch the tape of Nebraska DE, Jared Crick, I see a guy who can play the 5 technique 34 DE. He’s also a guy who can get after a QB, look at his production both with and his first year w/o Suh as his college teammate. He was injured his final season at Nebraska, but like Dallas showed with Bruce Carter last season, they’re willing to wait for a guy, and believe they can get him healthy and ready to be a player in their system.
Rich Eisen: Mike you’re so fired up you look like you want to put on some pads and hit something.
Mayock: Watch out Rich, I might come after you when you’re not looking, best keep your head on a swivel.
Meanwhile at BTB
Jimmy K (trolls right on queue): HAHAHA, that makes up for Fat Andy passing on Kuechly.
The usual BTB Commenters: Bleeping Jerry?!?….Another injured guy….I told you Jerry sucks as a GM….I like this pick…what’s to like about this pick…this team has holes at OL & DB, and they take a DE?….They should’ve taken Brockers in the first, or traded up for Coples, this blows, I’m out of here!…Terry, how can you defend Jerry and Jason here?…(Random Romo haters hijack thread for a few minutes…then more of the above commentary takes place).
Rohpuri - February 1, 2012 via mobile
LOL about right
tattooed cowboy - February 1, 2012
Thank you
As soon as I Mensa’s comment, I instantly got the idea to make that response.
Rohpuri - February 1, 2012 via mobile
LOL Ro that was funny.. I don't want Crick though.
football mensa - February 1, 2012
not when the team has holes at OL & DB.
And if they want to go DE, they should take Brockers in the first, or trade up for Coples.
ary201 - February 1, 2012
Well played!
Tom Ryle - February 1, 2012
I like it, and it could work out that way.
Rena - February 1, 2012
i agree
i could easily see a scenario where The Boys take Crick in the second rd.
Rohpuri - February 1, 2012 via mobile
Excellent Roh
I could almost hear the voices while reading that. The comments as well were too close for comfort. rec
oldboysfan - February 1, 2012
I'm glad you could hear the voices
I was hering their voices as I was coming up with it.
Rohpuri - February 1, 2012 via mobile
Hahahaha!
Well done sir…
Someone should do a post evaluating the Dallas medical staff. Only lets see… The only player other than Lee I can think of is Chris Canty. (detached retina I believe)
Mojoness - February 1, 2012
You missed something
For every comment bitching about a pick, there’s at least one throwing a tantrum at someone for having a differing opinion, or an opinion at all. Especially when it’s a negative comment. Unless the comments are as positive as a hippie peace circle, some people tend to get their panties in a bunch. Just sayin’.
NerdVernacular - February 1, 2012
That's why I included the token Terry shot
but yeah, when I turn this into a fanpost, I’ll expand the various BTB comments.
Rohpuri - February 1, 2012 via mobile
Oh man
I could hear their voices. Well done.
dunkman - February 1, 2012
Fanpost
Seriously.
And please include the audio for first-round pick Dre Kirkpatrick.
One.Cool.Customer - February 1, 2012
As the U.D.D.F.A.
I hereby authorize and encourage the use of the FanPost Area to expound on this Idea….
I am Ironman!!! - February 1, 2012
I'll
Rohpuri - February 1, 2012 via mobile
make this a fanpost by the end of the day
Rohpuri - February 1, 2012 via mobile
LOL
That pretty much sums it up…REC!!!
Antonio S - February 1, 2012
LMFAO
the Mayock part was spot on
Archie Barberio - February 1, 2012
thanks man
Rohpuri - February 1, 2012 via mobile
Wow!
Roh’s got his crystal ball out today! Not even joking…it’s happening. Lock it up!
Jerry’s gonna beat this strategy of taking injured players in the 2nd round into the ground!
D Rock 76 - February 1, 2012
lol
to be honest, I wouldn’t complain if we took Jared Crick. as long as we go DB/G in rds 1, 3, & 4
Rohpuri - February 1, 2012 via mobile
Amen to that Mensa
Nardfather - February 1, 2012
I'm thinking
we go after a bunch of Church and McCray types.I hope we go with BPA in the fist round.
Even if it were Tannehill or his ilk we need a RKG.If we miss with this pick we are still stuck in the football hades JJ has made forus.
TCB Orange Dino - February 1, 2012
get as many cover cbs as possible!!!!!
lostar2009 - February 1, 2012 via mobile
Good Post Tom:
After seeing Newman play this year, I was screaming to get me a corner back or three in this draft. Numerous articles here and Jim’s comment above have me thinking that the Cowboys not only have to get pressure , but they have to get to the QB more. I still want more and better DB’s , but another pass rusher is essential. If the Cowboys are staying in the 3/4 we also need the Poe type NT to man inside. A FS wouldn’t be a bad idea either.
Now is that really too much to ask for.
oldboysfan - February 1, 2012
If Jerry thinks our front 7 is a strength, then there is no hope for us
8-8 here we come again…
HudBaby - February 1, 2012
You're looking at it the wrong way
On defense, what is better the front seven or the back four? It’s a relative strength. This why. I. am. The Jerry Whisperer….
dunkman - February 1, 2012
With Bruce Carter slotted in at ILB
3/4 LB’s could be a strength (and the last spot is up in the air right now). Ratliff is a strength. So technically, the majority of our front 7 is a strength. I have a feeling a pass rusher gets signed in free agency to help Ware out. Then there’s still the possibility of moving Rat to DE and getting a big NT- which would also help the pass rush by virtue of freeing up Ratliff from constant double teams.
NerdVernacular - February 1, 2012
I think its not that we ratliff to get one on ones
We need Ratliff to stay doubled along with our nt and other de that leaves 6 on 3 that’s the concept here with a 3-4. One problem I saw last year was brooking and James being slower than my pregnant wife. 3-4 defenses use alot of ilb blitzes when we did no one got home lee got some pressure but never got home. No sacks from ilb this year. The idea is to have each down lineman to occupy 2 o linemen leaving your ilb free to slid in and nail the qb. Other than ilb blitzes corner blitzes is another way to bring the heat rob was somewhat successful with these this year with 3 total sacks from the secondary. Problem with those blitzes it leaves your olb in coverage on wr. You should have more success with ilb blitzes than any other type of blitz. With Carter hopefully we see more of those cause I can’t blame rob for not sending is ilb at the qb they might have broken a hip due to age and as for speed well bet the qb could have eaten lunch before they got to him. So taking another strong rushing ilb I would not be objective to if its not a first rounder.
Sado44 - February 1, 2012 via mobile
I have a good deal of hope that the Dallas front 7 will be a strength this year.
Especially if the rumors that they are going to move Ratliff to DE and bulking up Brent so he can play NT. I hope the line of Hatcher/Brent/Ratliff with Ratliff on the weak side next to Ware will be much more effective. I’d be more comfortable if Dallas got Poe or Paul Soliai in case Brent doesn’t pan out, but I don’t see practices, so, I hope Garret and Ryan are better evaluators of talent than Dallas has recently had. I also hope that Carter is a significant improvement over the Brooking/James combo.
All that being said, my mom always told me to hope in one hand, crap in the other, and see which one filled up the fastest. So, we will see how it goes.
Grimlock83 - February 1, 2012
I am still on the Lissemore bandwagon.
I hope to see a lot more snaps for him – maybe not as a starter, but the guy who gets the fourth highest number of snaps on the line. I just think he is going to turn it up a notch this year. Pure wishing and hope, but I’m sticking with it.
Tom Ryle - February 1, 2012
December 21st 2012
TARHEEL PAUL - February 1, 2012
The day the Mayans publish their new calendar.
Tom Ryle - February 1, 2012
Dallas will have a playoff spot already in hand
all that will be left for them is the division amd homefield advantage t/o the playoffs.
Rohpuri - February 1, 2012 via mobile
Going, going, gone.
Brooking
James
Coleman
Newman
Walker
Elam
Lord_Butt - February 1, 2012
That's my best guess.
I could see Elam, Coleman, and James being around for training camp, but not making it out.
Tom Ryle - February 1, 2012
We need to go BPA
BrickTop - February 1, 2012 via mobile
Roster breakdown
Good article and sure to change. As to smokescreens, don’t believe they were full fledged but there is always some. If Rob was looking at just DBs in the Senior Bowl, he had to be very disappointed. Now Jenkins has the skills and will be a very good man to man cover guy but did anyone watch him tackle. A lot like the Newman tackles (duck and cover) and he is shorter than Newman.
I do believe that we will start to get some idea of the draft in three weeks as teams have to apply franchise and transition tags by the 24th of Feb I believe and also qualifying offers on RFA and ERFA guys. That will give a good indication of who actually will be available in free agency.
I would have three serious questions for the Cowboys and their fans all of which could very well happen.
One, what if Carl Nicks LG, Mario Williams OLB, and Brandon Carr CB are all available come March 13th in free agency? Makes one wonder if we sign one or two or three of them and there is a great difference between keeping Spencer and signing Williams.
Second, when the draft starts, what if Coples, Ingram, Upshaw, DeCastro and Brockers are all gone at #14, due we still take Kirkpatrick who looks more and more like just an okay CB or due we trade down a few spots?
Third, although we don’t have results from the combine or pro days, would we really spend the #14 pick on Dre Kirkpatrick or Janoris Jenkins knowing their off field history? It is always good to get a get corner but they could easily be the next Talib. Now I would take one or the other but only after a serious trade down. According to many reviews and scouts for various teams both those guys are currently off their draft boards and many more have them at less risky spots like late second or third round picks.
The draft could be extremely difficult this year at #14 with the guys that could be gone and guys we might want but not at #14. To me the best off season would be for Dallas to fill a couple of major holes in free agency (at least two definite starters) and hope that one of the elite top ten guys falls to #14 (i.e. Richardson, etc.) that a team or two or three in the early twenties wants desperately and is willing to give more than the trade value chart says. (Quick note: Would not be surprised to see the chart updated due to the new CBA rules and rookie salary cap – it does change things).
sandyf - February 1, 2012
Raf seems to think we'll sign a center and DE in FA
Possibly Myers/Wells and Campbell and then concentrate on acquiring a pass rushing OLB, guard, DB in the draft.
I tend to agree with this strategy, makes a lot of sense.
Terry - February 1, 2012
I really would love to get Calais Campbell
he’s from da U and is just a beast
I wish we traded up a few spots and drafted him in 2008
no way the Cardinals lose that guy, probably franchise him
Archie Barberio - February 1, 2012
Probably.
Any chance of Kendall Langford or Cory Redding seeing the open market?
ary201 - February 1, 2012
oh I like Cory Redding
Archie Barberio - February 1, 2012
Yeah, that looks to be a good bang for the buck approach
and maybe they can pick up another piece or two along with them.
Tom Ryle - February 1, 2012
Changing my mind
After the rash of articles we’ve had, I’m centering in on one comment that was made (apologies to the author for a lack of proper credit) when debating D-line versus D-back. A corner covers one guy on a pass play while a pass rusher affects all the receivers.
Seems to me that we either take DeCastro for offense or we get a pass rushing DE. Understanding that 3-4 DE’s that can actually get to the QB don’t grow on trees, it seems that you’re talking a high pick to get one. You can get functional CB’s in the mid-rounds. They won’t be “shut down” guys, but they’ll manage as long as the opponent’s QB doesn’t have time to make smores in the pocket.
dteowner - February 1, 2012
Good thinking, but
I’d take that “don’t grow on trees” even farther. I’d say that we get a crack at a 3-4 DE who “can actually get to the QB” (i.e., someone who’s good for 9-12 sacks rather than Spencer’s 6-8) only once every few years. IMHO, this is not that year. A 14-pick this year is going to give us a good athlete on the line, a solid starter—like Spencer, like Hatcher, like Spears. I don’t think it is going to give us that pass-rush specialist to bookend Ware.
Given that, I’ll take functional CBs in the first few rounds. I don’t mind if Dallas thinks I’m wrong and wants to swing for a great D-lineman; I don’t mind if Dallas thinks it sees THE solution for the O-line. But I think the great D-linemen only come around every once in a while (and mainly get taken in the top 10). Meanwhile, “functional CB’s in the mid-rounds” might take a year or two to be ready to start—do you think Newman/ Ball/ Walker are going to last that long?
boyman - February 1, 2012
Wrong guy
I’m not looking to replace Spencer’s sacks. I’m looking for a DE. So really, I’m looking to replace Hatcher and Spears’ sacks (which isn’t setting the bar that high). I like Spears, but he’s simply not a pass rushing end. Can’t say I’ve ever been impressed with Hatcher. Spencer’s abilities actually become more valuable if you’ve got a pass rushing DE in front of him. The way you counter a guy like that is to run into the space he vacates as he rushes up field—how nice that we’ve got one of the better run-stuffing OLBs in the game (even if he can’t get a sack to save his life) sitting right in that hole.
dteowner - February 1, 2012
Any sacks a 3-4 DE gets is a bonus
That simply isn’t their job. Name one 3-4 DE, on any team, with more than 4-5 sacks. If the Cowboys draft a pass rushing DE, he either moves to OLB, i.e. Ware and Spencer, or we go back to the pre-Parcells 4-3. By-the-way, those 4-3s were pretty good defenses under Mike Zimmer
RenoCowboy - February 2, 2012
Yea those defenses were good
Reno, i wish the team would go back to the 4-3
DarkKnight88 - February 2, 2012
OK
Antonio Smith and JJ Watt, Houston
Looks like McPhee from the Ravens also qualifies.
I understand that’s not the traditional role for those guys. Doesn’t mean they can’t do it if you can dig up the right player.
dteowner - February 2, 2012
articles says slow and CB don't go together
Hum! Maybe we should reference the same CBS ranking the writer uses and look at all these fleet footed CB prospects this year. Oh, that right, there aren’t any. As I have said before on here, this draft is deeply average at CB. Folks 4.45 is good/solid speed, not great. Claiborne is the only highly regarded pick at 4.45. Now, I saw somewhere, that Janoris Jenkins runs a high 4.3, like 4.38. CBS says 4.46. He is smallish and moderately fast. Let’s hope the group runs better at the combine. Kirkpatrick is listed at 4.49 as well. His size is the good thing with him. Personnally, I’m thinking, Chase Minniefield and the Jenkins from UCF.
Janoris won’t make me mad, but he IS iffy.
faniva - February 1, 2012
those times are "assumed" 40 times though
Archie Barberio - February 1, 2012
I really could care less about 40 times
its all about game speed imo, the 3 cone, vertical, short shuttle should give a good indication of a player’s ability.
DarkKnight88 - February 1, 2012
OOPS!
That’s Robinson from UCF not Jenkins.
faniva - February 1, 2012
poor draft for pass rushers
there is no one I see coming out that I think can get double digit sacks a season. None of them.
Jenkins and kirkpatrick are druggies and with the recent mess with Hurd no way Jerruh goes near them.
If Decastro is gone I hope they trade down.
As regards FA, my wet dream is Nicks and Williams. I hope for Nicks since I doubt that NO can really spend the cash to keep him and Brees as well; with their other needs.
Williams because I keep fantasizing about Williams coming from one side while Ware comes from the other.
burmafrd1944 - February 1, 2012
two big FAs
with FAs seeking contracts around $10 mil per year for at least 5 years.
i personally like it, would they do it, i’m not sure.
Rohpuri - February 1, 2012 via mobile
I read where the Cowboys have about $20Mil in cap room
That is about what Williams will cost—per year.
RenoCowboy - February 2, 2012
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