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2012 Pro Bowl Open Thread

ARLINGTON, TX - NOVEMBER 24:  The Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders perform during the Thanksgiving Day game at Cowboys Stadium on November 24, 2011 in Arlington, Texas.  (Photo by Tom Pennington/Getty Images)

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6 months ago: ARLINGTON, TX - NOVEMBER 24: The Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders perform during the Thanksgiving Day game at Cowboys Stadium on November 24, 2011 in Arlington, Texas. (Photo by Tom Pennington/Getty Images)

The annual NFL All-Star game, the Pro Bowl, is ready to roll at 7:00 PM EST on NBC. You can also watch the game online on NBCSports.com.

If you are watching the game, use this as a thread for game comments. If you're not watching the game, you're welcome to comment anyway.

Tonight's announcer is Dan Hicks with Mike Mayock and Doug Flutie in the booth. Alex Flanagan and - wait for it - Randy Moss will be on the sideline. Just not that Randy Moss.

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I got homework to do

So I’ll turn it on since I got my laptop on my Drafting table anyway.

Time for football and wings
Why didn't I get wings

Enjoy Birddog.

No wings, but I have a drink nice and cold and ready to relax and watch some football.
That sounds good to
Hey BD, I was telling a co-worker about your needing a asst.

He told me he was going to get a stupid stamp and hit me with it on the forehead if I told you no.

What did you throw back
Nothing, I couldn't argue with him.
I am glad NBC isn't having sound, that boy band is terrible.
How come I am not buying that Gronks injury is as bad as people are saying.

I smell Belichick trying to pull one over on the Giants

Say it isn't so.
that's a keen sniffer you got
Ah Billy, the master of Jedi Mind Tricks
You know I can see Bill calling Gronks dad

And saying he needs to go out a say such and such

Whens the game starting?

This stuff is lame.

I agree, I want to see some football, not listen to a early SB hype.

I am going to miss the game and have to go to bed if they don’t shut up.

Yeah

the circus show aint for me either

No word on KO time?

Sigh I don’t want to watch the game as it is, cmon! It was worth it to see Aaron Rodger still upset haha.

Alfonzo Dennard

has dropped out of the top 32 in NFP’s player rankings

Not surprising.
national anthem time
x

Do I detect the blue angles?
No idea.. google'd
I believe I see yellow streaks down the side and up the tail, that would be the blue angles.

They are dark to, the thunderbirds are white.

Those aren't US fighters.

The angels fly FA-18s, the Thunderbirds fly f-16s (unless they have changed). Also, they only fly six ship formations. I think that picture is a British or French team (they also have red, white and blue flags). Might be the Red Arrows.

Yep. Them's the Brits.
It is a British Tornado

Saw enough of them in Iraq and Afghanistan

Wings aren't right, and it looks too small for a Tornado BD

Look more like A-4 Sky Hawks to me……..but even then I don’t think that is Correct.

actually, it is a Hawk

US Navy started to use a modified version of this some years ago, called T-45 Goshawk.
Tornado is a huge aircraft compared to this, and features variable wings.

Did they sweep the horizontal stabilizer down that much in the modifications?
?

don’t really understand your question, sorry

the Horizontal Stabilizer

is the smaller “wings” that are attached to the Rear of the Aircraft that are Parallel with the main wings…..

i meant what you meant by 'sweeping'.

sorry, English is not my native language :)
btw, Ironman made a good search for pics. my educated guess would have been no, that would have been a big change.
when you make a carrier-based version from a land-based figher, the first things you change is the stress-bearing ability of the fuselage, i.e. strengthen the frames, get a massive landing gear, strengthen the tail section so that the arresting hook does not tear off the back of the fuselage. that is what was made on this plane imo.

well lets compare(Love Google)

T-45:

Red Arrow T-1:

Honestly BD they Look about the same…though I did see a few images that looked like the H/S was perpendicular to the Fuselage…..

you are Correct Tom

it is the Red Arrows, and they are using the BAE Hawk T-1….

(Google is good)

ok, first i should read all comments, and then try not to double them :)
its Cool

I spent like 10 minutes trying to figure out what Aircraft that was…..

actually i like airplanes, so i'm at an unfair advantage.

plus, they’re somewhere between first to third most famous team in that business (other two are Thunderbirds and Blue Angels, make your choice). the nice thing in European acrobatics teams is that they use homemade trainers (then English use the Hawk, the French use the Alpha Jet, the Italian use the Aermacchi MB339, and the Spanish and the Poles have something from their own industry), or they use the F5 (Switzerland, Turkey).

no one flies big fighters in their teams except for USN, USAF and sometimes the Russians, when they can put together a few working Su-27s.

well I have studied Aviation my whole life

though mostly the American Aircraft….when it comes to American stuff I could probably match you there…

Bit unless it is one of the more mainstream European A/C, You got me there….

Is this the first time they are having an NFL honors/award show?

Or have I just never watched it?

first time
hmm Ill watch once then haha
Romo should be at this game. Non Cowboys fans are haters
The media shapes many peoples perceptions.

They fawned all over Newton and called Tony a choker.

So are many Cowboys fans. I can't believe some of the trash I see them say.
Atleast we get to see Rat and Ware right away
Gates got in the PB on reputation
NFC not letting Ware do his thing?
4-3 no blitzing..

he can’t do his thing haha

LOL, should've played him at DE
that's what he is in the 43
but probowl already has 4-3 DEs.. he is selected as LB
No blitzing? That sucks.
no

Mayock said it best “pretty much cant’ do anything”

They should just call it touch football, or put flags on them to grab.
I liked when they use to have competitions and stuff during the week.

The probowl should just be a much of skll competitions.

I miss the QB competition
Wouldn't you rather watch

Rodgers and Brees duke it out throwing at targets etc ..

much more entertaining
or Bailey and some other kicker playing FG horse
And DE's taking out dummys with force meters on them.

The NFL really should explore this. Much more interesting.

But someone might get hurt...
tackling a dummy? No way.
I miss the oldtimer's Flag Football game that ESPN used to televise
Pretty much is touch football until the last 5 mins or so.

Then they will be playing for that extra pay to cover the bills they ran up this week.

Ben Rothlesburger

Doesn’t get enough criticism for how fat he is. I think he’d be a better QB if he wasn’t so fat and lazy.

agree, reminds me of Billy Kilmer
This made me laugh
The AFC defense should just be renamed the Broncos
Where is Sean Taylor when you need someone laid out?
RIP
For the love of god somebody throw a Pie
This isn't even at practice pace.
Serously.

Maybe the subs will play harder. If this keeps up, the NFL really needs to think about changing it.

tempting to turn it off to express my displeasure

though Fitz just showed some spunk

I am considering that to. Hell we would play harder than this.
Except Newman.
one more series...
Maybe, I am sure not losing sleep for this.
All the money should be donated to charity.

The players aren’t even giving any effort to be given $50,000.

the award show next weekend will be more entertaining then this.
I got the chance to meet Micheal Robinson, FB, SEA

Dude is an RKG, for sure. If we lose Fiametta, We should look at Robinson.

hahahahahahahaha
zzzzzzz....zzzzzz
man that was so easy
REVIS ISLAND

whaaaaaatt…

He is on a lounge chair with a cold drink in his hand.
i just want to see some rat & ware and then i turn it down
rat already made a tackle.

Ware will never be near the ball. They don’t throw short and in the middle for the probowl

I hate Rogers...

but I love Fitz.

On the other hand the scenery is nice, and I am going to Hawaii this summer for a week.
Onside kick #2 coming up!
Now this was funny, maybe that will embarrass them into playing harder.
NM, didn't happen.
some good ole defense would be entertaining to see.

wonder what that would look like

At least it was entertaining.
pfft, thats where Sean Taylor would lay the smack.
Best Pro Bowl hit ever!
Hahaha
well that was funny
Annnnnddddd I am out.
Ok, think I am done. I have finished my drink and this is only slightly more entertaining than watching golf.

Night guys, enjoy.

Why don't they just put all the QB's and WR's on the field

and take everyone else off? At least they’ll save on water because none of the other guys will even need a shower.

laughable how little the D tries
lol, maybe gonna be a new scoring record for probowl
I'm just waiting to see

Cam Newton and Andy Dalton. Maybe being their first Pro Bowls, they will at least try.

yeah, Cam is a freak

I was really bragging Dalton up to my bro inlaw last yr after seeing his bowl gm.

Kind of boring here. Guess I'll go watch paint dry.

I mean the game.

take care mik
Where were those fumbles against Dallas?

I forgot we don’t teach guys how to strip the ball since Jimmy left.

+1

darn cell phone. to slow to do this during a gm with so few people to chime in. I need to break down and get a new laptop i quess.

that's similar to the TD Marshall scored on Turkey day
yes it was. must be a one of his fav routes
rogers could probly play receiver
Rodgers does a lot of speed, agility and reaction training in the offseason.
Seem to know a lot about what he does in the offseason.

What does Tony Romo do in the offseason?

he's trying to qualify for the US Open.

i mean the golf one, not that tennis thing in Flushing Meadows:)

Maybe he ought to be doing a lot of

speed, agility, and reaction training.

Rivers threw his 21st INT of the yr
I'm watching the SAG awards. More contact.
I wonder what media perception would be

If Romo and Rivers switched teams.

Always remember, the Dallas media eats their young

and old

this is true

much like NY and LA

They surely do.
To quote Vince Lombardi

What the hell is going on around here?!? LOL

The last time I watched a pro-bowl game Bob Lily played in it. There's really no point to it.

I just afraid someone will end up with a career ending injury. Especially a Cowboy. I know the players must like to trip and all, but really, they make enough money to go to Hawaii anyway.

Former Patriots RB Robert Edwards

tore his knee up badly in the rookie flag football game after the 1998 season.

Don' have to worry about anyone tearing up any knees in this game.

You have to actually do something.

how are D-Ware and Ratliff doing?
No sacks

Because defenses must play 43 and can’t blitz, Ware & Matthews are dropping back into coverage.

Ratliff seems to be playing more snaps than Ware, playing DT.

I watched the HBO documentary on Joe Namath last night. It was very well done,

and I’d recommend to to my fellow BTBers. It shows Namath in a very personal way. It’s hard not the really like the guy. Actually I liked him just fine before I watched it, but now I can see how personable and down to earth he really is, and always has been.

Joe Willy, used to watch the Jets practice when I was in college.

All he had to do was flick his wrist and the ball shot out of his hand as if he hit a line drive, Truly amazing!!!

Brings back some old memories.

When I was in Med School, the Skins used to practice on campus. Sonny Jergenson was something else. He used to throw 30-40 yard spirais behind his back to Charlie Taylor on the fly.

wow, behind his back?
Yes Jergy was unbelieveable with a football and Taylor was running real routes with dbs covering him

and Jergy would still hit him on the fly. I’ve never seen anything like it!

that's cool
Watched about 20 mins, then switched to the SAG Awards ,UGH. How bad is that. LOL
Cam Newton is fun to watch
damnit

Cam an Romo seem to throw picks when I praise them

Then STOP praising them please.
Cam and Andy have rookie nerves right now
Imagine if the Cowboys had Cam Newton as the starting QB

WOW.

Imagine if you were to stop posting here

well the least you can do is admit that cam is better than romo already.

Umm

No way. I would definitely take Romo over Can right now.

Meant Cam

Damn smartphone

Jesus this kid is still here?
I'm a Cam fan, but I'll take Tony over him every day.

There’s only 4 QBs I’d trade Tony for:
1) Brady
2) Brees
3) Rodgers
4) Big Ben

That’s it. Peyton’s not likely to play again. Vick is overrated. Smith, Flacco and Ryan, no thanks. Romo, Rivers, and Dumbfac. Eli are a toss up.

For me

Brady wouldn’t survive behind our offensive line

Brees and Rodgers I would take

I’m a female so I don’t want Big Ben anywhere near the Cowboys

Rivers is a toss up I agree, so would rather have Romo

Eli has crazy luck sometimes, wish the Cowboys could have some of that

fair enough

what exactly has Romo done?

Vick carried one of the very worst teams of the decade to the conference championship, Smith, Rivers, Flacco have been to conference championships,

and Eli.. do I even have to explain myself? Lol @ Romo. Young Cam Newton over Romo easily.

i forgot to mention

Romo with 13 pro bowlers… GETS YOU NOWHERE. This team is doomed.

Those 13 Pro Bowlers didn't get Romo anywhere. Damn.
Pro bowl voting

Is a popularity contest. Though I will say 2007 was our best chance, however a couple of bad plays, I.e Patrick Crayton dropping a touchdown pass, cost us that game.

yeah, that INT helped us.

What exactly has Romo done in his career? There are three quarterbacks in this division (including Rex Grossman for Gods sake) that have done more in the playoffs.

i wasn't able to

Watch that particular game, but wasn’t that interception a hail Maryvor fourth down pass at the end of the game? That kind of changes things. You can’t just look at stats in a vacuum and think they tell the whole story. With Romo as our QB, I think we always have a chance.

Should have been hail mary or

Only been a Cowboys fan for 4 years?

Must be because if you have been a fan longer than that then how in the hell could you have not seen the 2007 playoff game? Can’t use work for any excuse because a real fan would have found a way out of it to watch the big game. We go 13-3, win our Division, get a bye week, and you missed it?

Stop being an ass. All you had to do was check her profile to see she is in the military.

And we vets CAN use our work as an excuse to miss a Cowboys playoff game when we are deployed overseas.

If youre

going to troll at least come up with some new material man. It’s always the same thing, 13 probowlers. Its not as fun anymore because everyone here already knows how dumb you are.

Jesus Christ

On the Cowboys second to last drive of the game:

T.O. Dropped a pass at the goalline, Cowboys punt.

On the Cowboys final drive of the game, here’s the last 3 plays:

1) Witten drops a pass at the 20 yard line
2) Crayton Drops a TD
3) Terry Glenn lets the pass get intercepted in the endzone on a pass that was intended for him.

Dude, don't bother with the facts with this guy. You're just

banging your head against a brick wall.

that's what I realized. I deserve a face palm
Valiant effort anyway.
thank you
Brandon

Romo threw a perfect pass that Crayton dropped, which would’ve gone for a game sealing TD. Was Romo supposed to run and hand the ball to him like a relay race?

The DBs couldn’t cover Burress and Toomer, was Romo supposed to do their job for them?

DeMarcus Ware was dealing with the sad news that his wife miscarried, and was getting schemed out of the game by the Giants. What’s Romo got to do with that?

The Giants took away the Dallas running game in the second half, and were rushing him up the middle with stunts, and twists. He was running for his life. His he supposed to snap the ball to himself, and block for himself as well?

Seriously, think before you speak, otherwise you look stupid.

I've never understood why the Dallas O line looked weaker and the Giants

D looked stronger after the long Dallas scoring drive before the end of the first half.

spags adjusted his dline in the second half

it was two different games

They just looked worn out and slow.
they looked that way following the beat down over GB in that Th night game
plus big bad Leo dived on a Giants defender already on the turf.

probably wanted to prevent him getting crapped all over his jersey by a stray bird.
was good for a fifteen plus a dead drive.

Last i checked

Football is still a team sport. Just looking at QB play, I would take Romo any day based on actually watching the games.

Romo is better than Cam now but Cam is going to be great.

Brandon, please put the crack pipe down and step away

I like Cam and what he has done this year as a rookie, but to even think Cam is as good or better than Romo is, well I will just stop there.

Birddog

Am I crazy to think a defensive coordinator should/would watch film of this pro bowl on how to defend Cam Newton?

The AFC is shutting him down with their four man rush.

The DLine is doing a great job of holding point and not giving good passing lanes then are doing great persuing him to the edge.

It is the only way to really make Cam ineffective.

that was a beautiful TD pass from Cam to Smith
Cam should be Megatron because he's got a cannon

For an arm.

Calvin Johnson should more appropriately be named Optimus Prime.

If you watched the 1980s Transformers you know what I mean.

Bobby Carpenter was also taken ahead of MJD

just sayin

Carpenter was essentially a nepotism pick because of Parcell's association with his father.
Nice to see someone else call it a Nepotism pick
I expect an even better Discount Double Check

Commercial during the SB

WTH?!?!?!?! Brandon Marhall's 3rd Qrtr TD reception

Wow! That play needs gus johnson

What Cowboys went to the pro bowl
Ware and Ratliff
agree and agree

did Ware have another stellar year or is he coasting on reputation? No offense just don’t know.

Did ratliff play 4-3 DT today?

There was a really good fanpost about you going to a 4-3 and I surprisingly liked it. I always disagree with Giants convertability to 3-4…

did Ware have another stellar year or is he coasting on reputation?

Are you a toolbag? The answer to one of those questions is a resounding Yes.

Well, he's a Giants fan.
wow 19.5 sacks

I had no idea he was in beast mode all year. My bad.

yeah I totally said no offense

I don’t know his stats this year.

With all due respect.

All good bud

And good luck on the SB.

I can't stop staring at this..
that is a damn funny movie

even stepbrothers is pretty damn funny

Haha yeah

His new movie looks like its going to be pretty funny too…Casa de mi padre

If I'm a defensive coordinator

I’m watching tape of how Cam Newton is struggling against a 4 man rush. I’d never blitz him until he proves he can beat this.

He’s absolutely struggling against the vanilla defense in the pro bowl.

How to make Newton ineffective. Intercept him. :P
That would pretty much work on every QB.
Yes. I was kidding.
well Cam Newton demonstrating why while he had an impressive season for a rookie

he’s not actually on a pro bowl level yet, and making the snub of Romo/Stafford all the more obvious.

That's why every single article defending his selection has annoyed me. So, he did well

for a rookie. That’s not what the Pro Bowl is supposed to be about.

But he broke Peyton Manning's yards in a season or something. THAT'S PROBOWLS RIGHT THERE.
Nnnnnnnnnnnope. :P
Everyone take care

Time to grab a shower and sleep. Have a lot of work this week with propects.

Take care man
Glad this fiasco is over

what a horrible game this was and now we get to watch the Giants next week in the superbowl.
Every time I see those Giants uniforms, I want to put my fist through the TV screen.
Can’t wait for more FA and draft articles from the great writers,contributers at BTB!

Everyone have a good night

See

Even with pro bowlers there doesn’t seem to be a defense lol. Lets not rate ourselves with how many players we send.

Here's an interesting comparison. And remember, Levy is in the Hall of Fame.

Levy Coughlin
Seasons as head coach 17 16
NFL games coached 274 274
Overall NFL record, including playoffs 154-120 (.562) 153-121 (.558)
Playoff record 11-8 11-7
Place on all-time coaching wins list 17 18
Playoff seasons 8 9
Super Bowl wins 0 1

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