It's fun to make predictions about the draft and then argue about them. If you haven't tried it, you need to take your shot on OCC's Mock Draft post. And if you don't have your own picks, join in the voting to pick your favorites.
But this is just an early intellectual game (one I hope we get to play again as more things fall into place). At this point, there are so many things that we don't know. And that applies for the people who will be doing the real drafting as well.
Before draft day, there are many things that will be done by the Dallas Cowboys staff. When you are making your mock picks, or just generally joining in the discussion about who the team should take, remember some of these things, and how they might affect your own ideas about the draft. If you are at all like me, you will have a lot of respect for all the work and preparation the coaches and management have to put into all this.
A look at these things after the draft

For us, it can be a bit agonizing during this part of the off season because there does not seem to be much going on. For the coaches and staff, I am sure they are already wishing they had more time.
I will admit this is all my concept of what is happening, but I think that something sort of like this is definitely going on.
Of course we know that the staff is pouring over video and evaluations of all the free agents and draft candidates that they are interested in, but since both those events are in the future, one thing I think is taking a large amount of time is the self scouting and analysis. The team has to look at the players it knows it can retain (everyone basically except the unrestricted free agents) and decide what it has.
This is going to strongly influence who the team goes after, of course. The whole retention/free agency/draft process is composed of moving parts, and every movement in one area affects those possible or preferred in others. This is where Jason Garrett is the center of the universe, because everything in essence flows though him. He is the one who deals primarily with Jerry and Stephen Jones. He is the one who has to serve as final arbiter between offensive and defensive needs. He has to gather the recommendations of the assistant coaches and the scouting staff and make a final decision. And, if all the previous comments are to be believed, he is the last word in the war room before the card goes up with the pick on it.
I see the evaluation breaking up into three main areas. The first is the offensive skill positions, where Jason is the most knowledgeable and likely most comfortable. I am sure he will sit down with individual position coaches one on one, but having been the offensive coordinator last year, he already has a pretty good idea what the evaluations are. And in a rare situation, these are pretty much the areas of the least pressing need for the team. So his main focus in this time is going to be the other two main areas.
First is the offensive line. Here I would think Jason is going to sit down with Bill Callahan and Mike Woicik and take a long, hard look at what the team can do with the players it has. Callahan and Woicik have one thing in common in their resumes, and that is to develop and maximize the talent they have. When Hudson Houck left and Callahan came in, there was a sea change. Houck greatly preferred working with veterans and was very hesitant to put younger players in the game. Callahan is the opposite, favoring young players he can train and improve.
This is going to be a crucial call, and how well they do in making it will have tremendous impact on where the team spends its free agent dollars and its draft choices. While Derrick Dockery and Montrae Holland are both UFAs and may move on, there is certainly a valid argument that neither of them or Kyle Kosier should be looked at as realiable solutions for the offensive line. The real question is how many effective interior linemen does the team think it can develop from Phil Costa, David Arkin, Bill Nagy, and Kevin Kowalski?
Some question the ability of Callahan and Woicik to make any great difference with players, but that is really what they were hired to do. I am confident that they are able to greatly improve their charges, and the Yuglies are the best case on the team for that kind of improvement. I am almost certain that at least one of the current interior linemen will become a solid starter, and I think that the most likely scenario is that two of the starters this fall will come from the current roster, and that they will play at a good, effective level. Not necessarily all pro, but certainly good enough to protect Tony Romo and open some holes for the running backs.
But the coaches have to make a decision on how many they think they can count on, and how confident they are. I would think that if David DeCastro is sitting there at 14, he should be chosen anyway, since he seems a near certain upgrade over anyone currently on the team. But if he has been taken, or if the combine changes the evaluations, or if the team has managed a really good upgrade through free agency, the draft day decision has to be based on that.
Of course, Callahan is limited a bit in that he only has video and the evaluations of the other coaches to go on. But I think he can handle the task, especially with Jason in his ear.
The other big area of evaluation for Jason is the defense, and the needs here are so numerous that the question is which need do you fill first? I have to believe that Jason has promised Rob Ryan the majority of the picks. Assuming that the team is getting a compensatory pick for Stephen Bowen, I would believe that Rob has demanded at least five of the picks, if not six. And he needs them.
Once again, Mike Woicik has a place at the table here. If there is another group of players that I am optimistic, if guardedly so, that can improve, it is the defensive line. I would particularly think that Jason Hatcher, Sean Lissemore, and Josh Brent have some unrealized ceiling, and there is also a wild card in Robert Calloway, who was stashed on the practice squad.
Now if there is a lot of confidence about developing the biguns on both sides of the ball, the team may be able to focus its energy on the areas where there are not as many options for development, the secondary and linebacker. And even in the secondary, there is a possible ray of light, thanks to the rules under the CBA. Mike Jenkins is undergoing four to six months of rehab for his shoulder surgery - and that means he has full access to the team facilities, and Woicik has full access to him. (Hat tip to Birddog26 for pointing that out.)
But the need for more talent in the secondary is still inarguable, and it would be very hard to pass up on a top flight edge rusher, either. Both would fill crying needs for the team, and it looks like cornerback is deep this year in the draft. After that, safety is big, but difficult given the lack of options, and inside linebacker needs at least a depth pick.
Other needs, like a developmental quarterback, can also be addressed, but I would think those would come after the big problems already listed are handled.
I am not trying to predict the outcome here so much as I am trying to point out the way that things may not be the way they appear from the outside. Whatever the team decides in the period before free agency, it is highly doubtful they are going to be very forthcoming about it so as not to tip their hand in free agency or the draft. Which is only smart.
Once the current players have been evaluated and the team has a view of what it has, then the free agency period will be next. Outside of Laurent Robinson, there are no UFAs on the team that it should fear losing, and I would hope to see at least a couple of needs addressed here, possibly a veteran center and maybe a cornerback or safety, if the price is not too high. Hopefully, they will also avoid players with too many miles/not many seasons left, or stick with short term deals if that is the only option.
Along those lines, I think that Jerry and Stephen Jones have a few key things to do in these discussions. They are:
Sit down. Shut up. Listen. And go figure out how to pay for what the team needs.
Have fun playing with mock drafts and arguing the value of players. Putting a slate of picks up is easy for us. For Jason Garrett and company, it is going to be the result of hours and hours of hard, grueling, and hopefully productive work.
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The two of them standing next to each other
Look like the number 10
Nickthegrip - January 22, 2012
Tom,
very nice outline of the thought process the FO and coaches will be going through the next few months.
FA is key this year. I agree that L Rob is the only FA that needs to stay, but at a Cap friendly price. We need to approach other FAs not currently on our roster aggressively. JJ and SJ must sign those that JG and RR want and need. The draft can then proceed along BPA lines since we will still have many needs to fill.
pfloyd1 - January 22, 2012
I still want DeCastro if he's there at #14. If not, then Ingram, Perry, Kirkpatrick or Jenkins, Brockers if he checks out at the combine,
? Upshaw depending on his combine results. There should be plenty of talent available at #14. Our options in round #2 should be perfect for what we need.
pfloyd1 - January 22, 2012
I'm leaning more towards Ingram...
That way we could keep Spencer and rotate them across the line. If we pick up a NT then you add 2 more DE’s on the line. The only thing that I am struggling with is wondering should we pick up a FA CB or draft one and move Scandrick to the outside.
Holchr31 - January 22, 2012
This is how I see the draft playing out based on needs and BPA
14) G, OLB, S, DT, ILB (wild card), RB (wild card)
45) DE (wild card), OLB, CB, C, S
82) CB, S, G, ILB (wild card), DT, C
113) DT, DE, CB, G, C TE (wild card), RB (wild card)
144) S, C, CB, G, QB (wild card)
175) G, WR (wild card), TE (wild card), OLB, DE, RB (wild card)
213) ALL positions are considered.
Rohpuri - January 22, 2012 via mobile
Great change of pace, Tom
I would think the staff has finished their vacations, and are fresh and ready to work. They’ve begun the task of evaluating the UFA’s, and already have an idea of who to keep and who to pass over. The other point I think is that they are acclimating the new coaches to the structure, and getting them broken in. Lots of coaches meetings.
Some players that will probably get a promotion:
Bruce Carter
Orie Lemon
Chris Jones
Josh Brent
Sean Lissemore
Some players that will probably get their walking papers:
Terrance Newman
Anthony Spencer
Abram Elam
Derrick Dockery
Some UFA’s to consider keeping:
Laraunt Robinson
Montrae Holland
Once the team decides on who will be here, and who will not, they’ll know what their greatest needs in FA are. Woicik probably already has a pretty good idea of who will benefit the most from his tutelage, who may not be worth the effort, and who is on the bubble.
That’s a big deal about Mike Jenkins. Hope his career is not in jeapordy. Even expecting a full recovery, it seems we’re going into the offseason without any definitive answers in the secondary. I would guess the coaches are beating offensive line and secondary to death right now.
White Wolf - January 22, 2012
Wouldn't be upset if Spencer and Elam are let go, but for some reason I think they might be resigned if the price is right.
Would definitely not give Spencer a big contract. Elam would definitely be cheap, but you do generally get what you pay for.
pfloyd1 - January 22, 2012
I would be upset if Elam is back
Rohpuri - January 22, 2012 via mobile
RR likes him though. Unless we find a FA safety, I'd bet he stays. The draft is unlikely to help.
pfloyd1 - January 22, 2012
RR needs to watch the damn games then.
I’d rather have a young head hunter missing coverage, than a CP hanging on and also missing plays.
DIRE WOLF - January 22, 2012
So would I but whom?
pfloyd1 - January 22, 2012
Mark Barron can be had at pick 14
Rohpuri - January 22, 2012 via mobile
I was referring to progress stoppers. Who's progress on the roster is Elam thwarting?
pfloyd1 - January 22, 2012
No one's.
I’m hoping we sign Michael Griffin. Tennessee has already informed him that he won’t be back. He’s got some wheels, and of the FA FS’s out there, he is one of the better ones. He’d come at about 4 mil per, so he wouldn’t exactly be cheap.
White Wolf - January 22, 2012
considering that Elam cost 2.5
4 miil isn’t that much more, especially if he is a significant upgrade
I am Ironman!!! - January 22, 2012
Is he a problem child?
DIRE WOLF - January 22, 2012
inconsistent play over his career
Rohpuri - January 22, 2012 via mobile
Whether it's a contract year...
or just a 27 year old playmaker coming into his own, he has played with more consistency this year. His career stats are better than anything we’ve had here in a while. According to OCC’s recent excellent breakdown he’s one of the best options.
White Wolf - January 22, 2012
I don't think so.
The dude looks like a steal to me. Would you want stay in Tennessee? He’s a Texas guy. I think he wants to come here.
White Wolf - January 22, 2012
Griffin wearing the "Star" at the beginning of next season would put a huge smile on my face.
NVCowboy4Life - January 23, 2012
He would be a welcome addition.
I agree with you on this FA pickup. I mean we spent 2.5 on elam. so 4 mil per year on a 1 or 2 yr deal is not that far out of range. If you want to recoup that difference, get rid of IGOR OLSHANKSY clone named Coleman. He did absolutely NOTHING. He got paid 2.5 million for that and was out performed by Lissemore. What a bad pickup he was. They were desperate when it seemed we had huge holes at DE and its showed why he was available.
KaiB - January 24, 2012
There's a guy in the draft, the coaches and scouts have to be able to recognize him, like Jimmy and his people did.
DIRE WOLF - January 22, 2012
Landry and Co. pulled safeties out of their hats.
DIRE WOLF - January 22, 2012
Yup
Rohpuri - January 22, 2012 via mobile
The down side is...
In those days it was Landry, now it’s Garrett, then it was Gil Brandt, now it’s Jerry and Tex the GM, v Jerry the GM. 20 winning seasons in a row v 1 playoff win in how ever long. Damn I miss real football men.
DIRE WOLF - January 22, 2012
As in Roy Williams?
50yrcowboy - January 22, 2012
He was damn good till Tuna came in, wrong D for his skills.
DIRE WOLF - January 22, 2012
I think it was more
that his coverage skills (Lack thereof) got exposed and then once every team had the film on his gaffs, every QB would attack him.
And what was worse, he would shift the blame, ….It was anyone but him.
“It was not my guy!” Sound familiar?
CoachGary - January 22, 2012
He needed to play close to the LOS, he wasn't a coverage guy.
They ask him to do something he was good at. It was no secret what kind of safety he was when he was drafted.
DIRE WOLF - January 22, 2012
We passed on Ed Reed for Roy
Rohpuri - January 22, 2012
There are 4 safeties who I like in this draft
First Rd: Mark Barron SS, Alabama
Second Rd: Markelle Martin FS/SS, OKST
Third Rd: Georgr Iloka FS, Boise St
Fifth Rd: Tramain Johnson FS, Arkansas
Rohpuri - January 22, 2012 via mobile
George*
Rohpuri - January 22, 2012 via mobile
Antonio Allen
BrickTop - January 22, 2012 via mobile
Allen's stats suggest he's another Gerald
Rohpuri - January 22, 2012 via mobile
What's the difference between a SS and a FS?
BrickTop - January 22, 2012 via mobile
Depending on the scheme and coverages..
A strong safety usually stays closer to the line of scrimmage as the last line of defense against the run, and also covering screens, passes into the flat, and such.
A free safety is typically in coverage, watching TE’s, providing cover 2, and double coverage. Free safeties are usually a little more fleet of foot, and strong safeties are usually more solid tacklers.
White Wolf - January 22, 2012
In a perfect world they're interchangeable.
DIRE WOLF - January 22, 2012
Dallas secondary is anything but a perfect world.
White Wolf - January 22, 2012
I see.
Thoughts on Harrison Smith?
I dont really follow college players or anything, I usually just read scout reports or video on youtube. Should we target a safety in the 3rd-4th?
BrickTop - January 22, 2012 via mobile
Rohpuri had the right idea.
Tramaine Johnson in the 4-5 range would be good. He has a chance to be good, but you’re not wasting a premium pick on him. Harrison Smith is about a 3-4 range option. We probably won’t get him because we have other needs in the 3rd. He’s also more of a strong safety, and I think our bigger need is at free safety.
White Wolf - January 22, 2012
There isn't much difference now but back in early 2000s there was
If I can compare the two positions:
FS: Ed Reed-ideally is your last line of defense in the passing game. He plays centerfield.
SS/Inthe Box: Roy Williams/John Lynch-makes most of his plays around the LOS.
SS/FS Hybrid: Charles Woodson (now) and Troy Polamalu-This guy has the ability to be a hitter, tackler, ball hawk.
Rohpuri - January 22, 2012 via mobile
Other current and former players you might recognize to fit those types
FS/Centerfield: In their later days Rod Woodson and Ronnie Lott. Thomas Everett. Eric Weddle. Daniel Manning. Dashon Goldson
SS/FS Hybrid: James Washington, Darren Woodson, Rodney Harrison. Brian Dawkins. Donte Whitner. Eric Berry and Earl Thomas.
SS/In The Box: Bob Sanders, Bernard Pollard, Jeremiah Bell.
Rohpuri - January 22, 2012 via mobile
I like Tramain Johnson
I think we need a FS, cause I don’t think Sensabaugh is up to snuff in coverage.
White Wolf - January 22, 2012
Tramain *Thomas
White Wolf - January 22, 2012
i like M.Martin
i think he did well against Luck/Stanford
DCNation73 - January 22, 2012
Markelle Martin is a player
Rohpuri - January 22, 2012
The draft is "unlikely to help"
Great, Chia and Mensa say it so now everyone parrots them, just like with Brockers being the next great thing.
If people actually watch CFB, they’ll see guys there who can come in and play. Just cause there isn’t an abundence of 1st Rd talent at safety doesn’t mean a play making safety can’t be found.
Rohpuri - January 22, 2012 via mobile
I do like Tysyn Hartman from Kansas State in the later rounds. Guys always aroung the ball.
pfloyd1 - January 22, 2012
He caught my eye, too. Might be a good, low cost pick up.
Tom Ryle - January 22, 2012
He looked really good in the Cottonbowl.
Rena - January 22, 2012
whats your beef?
Archie Barberio - January 22, 2012
Whoa- tap the brakes
To claim that anyone that doesn’t see this draft solving the gaping holes at safety is parroting another commenter is really de-valuing opinions worth every bit as much as yours.
This team needs starters. At least two, hopefully three in FA and at least that many in the draft. To assert that there are a multitude of players that can learn RR’s scheme, handle the leap to the NFL AND contribute in a way that would be an upgrade over Elam and Sensi is wildly optimistic.
Barron may be more talented, and you obviously feel strongly about him but this team only has two guaranteed years left of high level QB play and I think that’s the point. For all the talk of interchangeable safeties this team needs one that excels in coverage. That’s a tall order for a first year player. They need to build for the future- and I’d e all for the kid from Arkansas as a mid round option, but with an eye on that window sliding shut, thus the need for an immediate contribution and hitting on that anywhere but the top of the draft is a crapshoot with extremely long odds. There is no Eric Berry in this class.
Linebacker22 - January 23, 2012 via mobile
Agree about Spencer, but Elam is a progress stopper.
Dallas needs play maker safeties.
DIRE WOLF - January 22, 2012
Dire,
who on the roster do you think has the potential to start? Our safety picture really sucks. Give me some hope!
pfloyd1 - January 22, 2012
Mark Barron at 14 would be instant upgrade over Abe Elam
Rohpuri - January 22, 2012 via mobile
He's not on the roster and probably won't be.
pfloyd1 - January 22, 2012
Doesn't change the fact he's a better talent than Abe Jag Elam
Rohpuri - January 22, 2012 via mobile
Not saying that, but you can't assume we will draft him.
pfloyd1 - January 22, 2012
You can't assume we wont
Rohpuri - January 22, 2012 via mobile
True, but I doubt he's the BPA at #14.
pfloyd1 - January 22, 2012
It's doesn't have to be a 1st rounder.
DIRE WOLF - January 22, 2012
Mark Barron
National Football Post: 13th rated prospect
ESPN Scouts INC: 14th rated prospect
CBS NFL Draft Scout: 18th rated prospect
Avg ranking: 15th overall
He won’t be a reach at 14
Rohpuri - January 22, 2012 via mobile
Just think that our board will have others rated higher who will be available at #14.
I could be wrong though.
pfloyd1 - January 22, 2012
There's not an answer on the roster, they've got to find him..
DIRE WOLF - January 22, 2012
I agree
We need to find someone. I hope we do in FA, then Elam is gone.
pfloyd1 - January 22, 2012
The Safeties in FA
Will be filled with Geralds and Elams. We need to draft a couple.
Rohpuri - January 22, 2012 via mobile
We are bantering in circles. I hope we find a gem somewhere in the draft.
I’m just stating that any safety we draft is likely to be a mid-late round pick and will take time to develop, especially in RR’s system.
pfloyd1 - January 22, 2012
Can't be any worse than Elam, just make sure there's a big upside.
DIRE WOLF - January 22, 2012
I hope so.
pfloyd1 - January 22, 2012
Can't be worse than Elam?
How quickly you forget who Elam replaced.
RenoCowboy - January 22, 2012
How much worse can it be, no ints and no defended passes?
DIRE WOLF - January 22, 2012
+1
i was about to say the same thing lol. didnt see much difference between Elam or Ball
DCNation73 - January 22, 2012
Ummm. I'd say Elam hits harder
Ball misses way more tackles.
dunkman - January 22, 2012
More snaps and less tackles?
You can always get worse.
CotySaxman - January 22, 2012 via mobile
The answer to the S issue
is that it probably CAN’T be solved this year. And, for whatever reason, Dallas fans can’t seem to understand that improvement takes time.
They were 6-10 2 yrs ago. 8-8 this year. Maybe 10-6 next year (w/o any upgrades to S). Then, maybe the 2013 draft will produce a S worthwhile of selecting in the 1st (or maybe the team will have less needs than they do this year).
Either way, patience seems to be the only option – unless you think overpaying for Laron Landry (who’s injury prone) is an option.
Tyrone Jenkins - January 23, 2012
There is a young Woodson type guy some where.
If you remember, Woody was under sized LB in college. He was consider a bad pick by some “draft experts”.
DIRE WOLF - January 22, 2012
If Dallas drafts Kirkpatrick or Gillmore
I think they get switched to FS.
Rohpuri - January 22, 2012 via mobile
i really like that Gilmore kid
DCNation73 - January 22, 2012
No Potheads
Iowacowboy - January 22, 2012
If we had a better secondary sure
But I don’t think we have the luxury of moving what will likely immediately be the second best corner on our team out to FS, that is assuming that we don’t get a cb in FA
matt575 - January 23, 2012 via mobile
I wouldn't be so sure of that
at a reported 6-2 192 Kirkpatrick may not be a good CB in the pro’s do to a lack of speed(bear in mind I haven’t watched any tape on him) Draft scout has him running an est.4.49, and he runs that but still puts up good numbers at the combine Similar to this:
Height: 6001
Weight: 204
40 Yrd Dash: 4.51
20 Yrd Dash: 2.62
10 Yrd Dash: 1.47
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 15
Vertical Jump: 33
Broad Jump: 10’04"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.08
3-Cone Drill: 6.59
then yeah a move to FS would be ideal(btw those numbers are from Malcolm Jenkins (the Saints FS who interestingly enough was the 14th pick in the 2009 draft)
I am Ironman!!! - January 23, 2012
That would be great, my point though is, I don't see any one currently on the roster
who’s progress Elam is stopping. Assume that we don’t get Barron or Martin, etc., because they are not the BPA available when we pick. Then what?
pfloyd1 - January 22, 2012
George Iloka at 82 wouldn't be a reach at all.
Rohpuri - January 22, 2012 via mobile
Hell, Woody was a big reach, but Dallas had better football people then.
They actually knew what they were doing.
DIRE WOLF - January 22, 2012
Woody is a HOFer type guy. If we found another Woody, miracles really do happen.
pfloyd1 - January 22, 2012
Woody wasn't a miracle, he was the result of good scouting and the ability to recognize talent.
DIRE WOLF - January 22, 2012
He didn't start right away...
but Jimmy Johnson later said if he would have known how good Woodson was, that he would have started a lot sooner.
White Wolf - January 22, 2012
Well, nobody's perfect :)
DIRE WOLF - January 22, 2012
Maybe the football people are getting better.
Campo leaving has to be some help.
Tom Ryle - January 22, 2012
Not without upgrades in the secondary.
DIRE WOLF - January 22, 2012
Spencer
I want to keep him. At times he played well. If we can get him at a reasonable price, why not keep him?
soonercowboy14 - January 22, 2012
I watched him very very closely in the second half of the season.
It started out as noticing some disturbing behavior on a play. I began to watch. My focus on him on every play went on for weeks. No exaggeration. Before it was all over, I had come to the conclusion that he’s a head case that can’t be bothered with hustling unless he feels like it. This all from a player in a contract year.
Haven’t you ever wondered why they signed Scandrick and Sensabaugh before their contracts expired, but haven’t said a word about resigning Spencer? I know why. I’ve seen it with my own eyes, and I’m encouraged that the Cowboys have seen it as well.
White Wolf - January 22, 2012
Garrett's pants are starting to creep up a little...
Lord Humungus - January 22, 2012
lol, they'll be to his chest pretty soon
DIRE WOLF - January 22, 2012
Elevator shoes!
pfloyd1 - January 22, 2012
I hope he just pulled them up that far to keep that notebook above his junk.
fs65 - January 23, 2012
Ryan needs to lose the lunchroom and find a workout room.
DIRE WOLF - January 22, 2012
That's why JG's wearing the elevator shoes, needs to tower over RR, could never out weigh him.
pfloyd1 - January 22, 2012
Spencer? Elam? Newman?
But NOBODY mentions BALL?! When he blew chunlks at the safety spot I was willing to cut the guy some slack and say "Yes, BUT… he was playing “out of position”. This year he PROVED that he HAS NO POSITION!
As to Ryan; some of you need to come to the realization that in a PERFORMANCE oriented profession, your personal preferences regarding things as IRRELEVANT as personal appearance (which BTW is SUBJECTIVE) are roughly as “meaningful’ as an Al Jazirra” broadcast.
Howleyesque - January 22, 2012
Our entire secondary with the exception of Jenkins is suspect.
pfloyd1 - January 22, 2012
and Jenkins staying healthy is suspect.
DIRE WOLF - January 22, 2012
ding!
Rohpuri - January 22, 2012 via mobile
To me Ball is automatic, even my wife can see he's a CP.
DIRE WOLF - January 22, 2012
what is a CP?
Rohpuri - January 22, 2012 via mobile
can't play
DIRE WOLF - January 22, 2012
bet you can guess what CFP means
DIRE WOLF - January 22, 2012
Center fire projectile??? ;-)
NVCowboy4Life - January 23, 2012
Well we could always use a waterboy, thats a position.
Final Frame - January 22, 2012
I'm perry sure Woicik hired someone more capable
To ensure the hydration of his men.
CotySaxman - January 22, 2012 via mobile
Pretty sure...
CotySaxman - January 22, 2012 via mobile
Where's the interior O-line optimism coming from?
I think Nagy could be the answer at center (possibly guard), but any optimism I have for the rest of them would probably stem more from homerism rather than objectivity.
There should be a jump in ability from the rookie season to year two, but Costa wasn’t in his rookie year. It’d be great if Arkin or Kowalski really came on, but there’s not much evidence that they will on any tape that I’ve seen.
kjohney - January 22, 2012
That's the rub, we don't know if any of them will pan out. So it's a big assumption and gamble to hang the future of Romo on them.
pfloyd1 - January 22, 2012
hamlet
to die, to sleep. To sleep perchance the dream, Ay there’s the rub.
I had to memorize that and that was my favorite line of the soliloquy.
willyoubemycharizard - January 22, 2012
I thought Kowalski played pretty well.
Everyone is now saying Nagy was pretty bad before the injury, but I seem to remember that most people thought he did okay when he was on the field.
White Wolf - January 22, 2012
We all liked Killer K
and have viewed Nagy and esp Arkin as projects. Assuming we get a FA for guard or one high the draft, it isn’t far-fetched to think that out of Kowalski, Nagy, Arkin, or even Lumpy, that one of them won’t be a decent guard. I’m most concerned about the center position. Costa was the weakest link and I don’t know if even Woicik can turn him around.
ScottB1985 - January 22, 2012
It's not homerism
whatever that means on a fan site….
The whole point of the post here is that it all starts with their self-scouting. Unlike us, they have a decent idea about what they might have in some of these players. They may be wrong in their assessment, but at least they’ve seen them in practice and had some expert eyes looking at them on tape, knowing what it was they were asked to do, what the reads should have been, etc.
dunkman - January 22, 2012
Thanks, dunk.
You explained that better than I could, I think.
Tom Ryle - January 22, 2012
Good Point
The interior guys make for a good backup group, but, if Dallas plays a pat hand relying upon the existing talent base, or, more srub bottom of the barrel draft picks or undrafted FAs to make up the oline, then it will be another wasted year. Fix the damn oline now, and don’t scimp. Add a premium FA olineman and a premium draft pick olineman, at a minimum.
Iowacowboy - January 22, 2012
Check out OCC's post about OL from last week.
It is usually the 3rd year that the OL guys make that jump. So if our young guys are already kinda holding their own then they should be able to improve.
Rena - January 22, 2012
If we can somehow land Nicks without bankrupting the team, then that’d be great. But if we can’t, then I think we should grab Decastro in the first, and pray someone else is going to make that jump in their second year.
kjohney - January 22, 2012
Obligatory comment
I just noticed that my all-time comment count on BTB has been sitting at ‘666’ since last year’s draft. I blame myself for all the Cowboys misfortunes since then. My bad, you guys.
#667
Jordan Sams - January 22, 2012
If only you had been sitting at 666 for the past few years
maybe it would explain the December curse.
ScottB1985 - January 22, 2012
Jerk
you killed my team…. hahahaha
dunkman - January 22, 2012
Thank you for fixing that.
Hey, I don’t believe it that, but I also am not willing to pass up anything that is meant to help.
Tom Ryle - January 22, 2012
Good catch, good fix.
fs65 - January 23, 2012
Possible safety in te draft
what about Harrison Smith from Notre Dame. He was a team captain, seemed to be a RKG ?
Hotrod - January 22, 2012
Excellent article Tom
’Nuff said!
Long Ball - January 22, 2012
A little confused about the Stephen Bowen comment
why would we get a compensatory draft pick for him? I may be wrong but I thought he left as an URFA.
ScottB1985 - January 22, 2012
oh nvmd. He was a restricted free agent
ScottB1985 - January 22, 2012
I am confused why
. . . Dallas let Bowen go; he was a playmaker.
Iowacowboy - January 22, 2012
Because the Skins offered him way to much $ for us to match.
Rena - January 22, 2012
Fitting
that Tom talked about how Mike Woicik will be in the mix this off season…..I was very excited when we brought him back last year. Well he is already hard at work this off season….not sure if this link has been shared if so sorry for duplicating it. Guys are already in the weight room…..I really think guys like Arkin and Nagy can benefit from working with Coach Woicik…..along with others
BWAREofDWARE94 - January 22, 2012
Forgot link
BWAREofDWARE94 - January 22, 2012
Stop with the Woicik wet dreams
that he will make jags into Good players. Just stop.
Arkin is the only one he can make a real difference on since he had a poor WT program in college. Nagy had the best there was and he was a 5th year senior.
And JJ was a very good WT guy and frankly no one can make JAGS into top players or even close so just stop it.
burmafrd1944 - January 22, 2012
Joe Pa........a happy story with a sad ending......RIP
DIRE WOLF - January 22, 2012
Agree
Rest in Peace – Joe Pa!
Tyrone Jenkins - January 22, 2012
He's a POS.
Anyone who chooses to protect a football program over protecting children is a POS.
fs65 - January 23, 2012
Tom,
I have been waiting to tell this “Funny” and have not found the right time, so I will tell it now and hopefully those who know the “Indiana Jones” movies will get a kick out of it, at least I thought it was a “funny.”
True Story:
My youngest son and I were watching the Miami Dolphins game last year, or was it the year before?, anyway….
The QB for the Dolphins was struggling and the announcers were talking about the possibility that they might bring in “Chad Pennington” to replace him.
My youngest son said…..“Yea, now we will see something, because ONLY THE PENNINGTON MAN WILL PASS!”
CoachGary - January 22, 2012
Only if he can spell Don Shula in Hebrew!!! :-p
NVCowboy4Life - January 23, 2012
I think we go OLB at 14
Just a hunch.. N I hope elam’s not back but I think he will be new Db’s coach wants em. And also I think we need to sign LR back and fiemetta.
cjs.93 - January 22, 2012 via mobile
Lol@ the bpa approach
You don’t take a guard when you have solid prospects in Nagy in arkin… Yet you have a secondary with 3 opens spots and a dline with 2 and a lb core with 2….
drobe86 - January 22, 2012 via mobile
nagy and arkin, yeah very solid
ratware - January 22, 2012
hope that was a joke lol
Nagy looked bad last year and arkin never saw the active game day roster.
cjs.93 - January 22, 2012 via mobile
But they are prospects
You just drafted a year ago.. Give them a chance to succeed… Let’s look at defensive prospects for the de facto worse defense in the league
drobe86 - January 22, 2012 via mobile
And Risk Putting Romo
. . . in a wheelchair? How many years can you support Dallas going thin at oline given the investment in skill players and the talent at QB? It is like putting a Honda 4 cynlinder in a Porche.
Iowacowboy - January 22, 2012
+9
cjs.93 - January 22, 2012 via mobile
I don't know
Honda engines are pretty Bad A$$ IMO….(Misses his 2007 Civic)
I am Ironman!!! - January 23, 2012
They were 4th and 7th Rd prospects bub
Rohpuri - January 22, 2012
Romo CANNOT survive another season like this one
we cannot afford to HOPE that JAGS become good enough to protect him and give us a short yardage run game for the first time in years.
So what if we ignore a 4th and 7th rd picks as regards starters. They can become backups which is frankly more than you usually get anyway.
This BS idea that we ignore the best guard prospect in years just to hope that a couple of jags develope is INSANE.
burmafrd1944 - January 22, 2012
Spencer...
Since he is good against the run, what about moving him to ILB?
jtgreet02 - January 22, 2012 via mobile
The secondary is an even bigger need than the O-line.
Assuming Newman’s gone the only starter among the four who was drafted higher than the fifth round will be a guy coming off six months of post surgical rehab. So far they and seventh round pick Ball (the projected #3 CB) have played to their draft status, and Elam was an undrafted FA. We have to go CB in the first round or FA.
krl97a - January 22, 2012
WRONG
Romo goes down on IR and our year is DONE.
burmafrd1944 - January 22, 2012
No, that's unpredictable and can happen on any given freak play.
On the other hand, if the secondary is even worse than it was this season our year is done. It will be without a serious upgrade. Romo just posted the second best season passer rating in franchise history and it didn’t matter because our DBs didn’t have the talent to cover quick passes. Dallas went 8-8.
I’m all for drafting a guy like Decastro in the first round, but ONLY if the club makes a serious effort to upgrade the secondary in FA.
krl97a - January 22, 2012
TNew, Scandrick, Jenkins, Ball
I don’t see a lot of movement here guys, both TNew and Jenkins looked like solid shutdown corners in several games this year. TNew was gassed at the end obviously but Scandrick and Jenkins were solid. Ball and Scandrick fit in well as blitzing from the slot and Jenkins can handle one-on-one coverage.
I expect TNew’s workload to be reduced but neccessarily being cut or not starting. Henderson will be able to put a different secondary on the field and by the 2nd half they will be solid. I don’t expect any miracles but Campo leaving and Henderson coming definitely completes this defense.
Great if we get a CB with the 14th pick in the draft, that makes TNew expendable and its an upgrade from Scandrick. If you ask me though I don’t see too much difference between Jenkins-Scandrick and other corner combinations. They looked bad down the stretch and not just because of their inability to execute but rather their coverage and lack of pressure in a 3-4.
We need to improve upfront and if that means more 4-3 defense then so be it, Spears, Coleman and Hatcher just didn’t get enough pressure down the stretch. We need to win the battles upfront too.
scraig - January 22, 2012
I want some of whatever you're drinking.
How the hell do you know what kind of impact, if any, a positions coach change will have? "Solid shutdown corners?" Newman was good for a long time but he’s done. He’s too expensive to keep. Scandrick hasn’t been impressive at all. He’s played like the fifth round draft pick he was. Jenkings has flashed potential when healthy, but even that’s in doubt as he faces six months of tough rehab. Next up is Alan Ball, who’s played like the seventh round draft pick he is. There’s almost no help from the safeties (a fifth round pick and an undrafted FA) in the passing game. You can’t possibly expect to contend without a serious talent upgrade.
Conversely the Cowboys had a top 10 pass rush as measured by the stats. Sure there were frustrating plays with no pressure, but all teams face that. It doesn’t matter whether we get pressure if our CBs can’t reliably cover for two seconds. When the facts say you have a top 10 pass rush and your pass defense still sucks, the blame should logically fall on the secondary.
krl97a - January 22, 2012
After watching the SF / NY game
I noticed something that disturbed me. it was the fact that the majority of the pash rush vs. manning came from the 3-4 DEs. Yes, not the OLBs but Justin Smith and Aldon Smith. If you take a look at the good defenses (Houston, Bmore, etc.) you’ll notice an evenly distributed sacks among many different players and ALL have a D lineman w/ more than 5 sacks.
Everyone is crucifying Spencer for not being Ware but I think we’re all looking at the wrong player to produce those #s.
Tyrone Jenkins - January 22, 2012
Agreed...
It starts in the trenches and extends from there. But the Cowboys always go cheap on the d-line, they just don’t place value there, especially on the de spots.
DCB* - January 23, 2012 via mobile
Agreed Tyrone.JMHO,but I want to keep Spencer.I know that is very unpopular and I will get grilled for it.
But,if we can get steady pressure from the DEs so the opposing QB has to step to the side instead of stepping up,Spencer will show that he is worth keeping.
NVCowboy4Life - January 23, 2012
There are currently 12
strong OLBs that play in the 3-4 scheme in the NFL. Of those 12, Spencer was first in tackles, tied for 1st in forced fumbles, tied for 2nd in QB hits, tied for 1st in tackles for loss, and tied for 5th in sacks. Based on some of the opinions about the guy at BTB, you would think he was last in every stat. The fact is he is a top SOLB statiscally. That is despite what others say they “see.”
jevans1729 - January 23, 2012
Ok So ANOTHER First Round Pick
Gets used on the Oline and once again the DEFENSE that was the team’s REAL weakness sits in the backseat. So, tell me; how many YEARS and HOW MANY first round picks do you think it will take to FINALLY rebuild said Oline?
Howleyesque - January 23, 2012
2 years, 2011 and 2012 Drafts.
thebigham - January 23, 2012
Howley what do u mean finally rebuild the oline?
This franchise under jerry finally used a 1st rd pick just last offseason for the oline.. Dallas hasn’t spent enough premium picks for the guys in the trenches for yrs now..
DarkKnight88 - January 25, 2012
Right and Then
If things don’t go PERFECT with the Oline; it will be “draft another Olineman with the first pick” NEXT YEAR.. Because the whole world KNOWS that it isn’t as if there are a couple of hundred players at EVERY position EVERY year! (Let’s see, 32 teams… not ALL of them, in fact very FEW of them drafft Oline in the first round…)
Howleyesque - January 23, 2012
Why do I laugh when I read this?
Maybe because just last year everyone yelled that Jerry never, ever in the history of his ownership with the Boys had drafted a OL in the 1st round.
Rena - January 24, 2012
We cant determine just yet!
I hope we are not taking silly risk in the draft. Dont get "cutesie and all that. Trying to play the board like a fantasy draft. Just pick up the cant miss prospect. With that being said. what we need to do though is pump the brakes on who we should draft just yet until Free agency starts. That will paint a picture of the left over needs and which palyers we keep or let go. For instance, what if we sign Nicks from N.O? Then whats the next important issue. Or we get Mario Williams, then whats next. What will we do with Robinson , Holland and Spencer?? Stuff like mock drafts are meaningless at this point. All of this is just guessing and really cannot be determined just yet. I just hope we dont try to “stockpile” as they say. It doesnt work, especially for Jerry.. Funny, but even N.E. has found themselves drafting poorly of late. I do think that the Offensive Lines and Pass Pressure Positions are the key to winning in the current NFL structure. We need to hit in both FA and the draft this year for sure. Too many holes and underperforming players.
KaiB - January 24, 2012
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