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As a predictor of which players are going to which teams, mock drafts aren't particularly accurate. Somebody here said last year your best bet would be to wait until Rick Gosselin from the Dallas Morning News releases his mock two days before the actual draft - but where's the fun in that?
For those of us who enjoy talking about the draft, mock drafts can still be a lot of fun regardless, as they can give us a general sense for where a player fits on the draft boards. But as an indicator of exactly which player goes to which team, they're hardly accurate, especially not at this time of the year.
What we do know is that there will be a lot of good candidates for the Cowboys to choose from once they're on the clock with the 14th pick. In fact, there are so many options that outside of early fan favorite David DeCastro, no other player has emerged as a clear-cut favorite for the Cowboys yet.
That is a situation that should suit the Cowboys just fine: At about this time last year, Stephen Jones said the Cowboys are going to follow a BPA approach:
"We're going to take the best player that's available when it comes time for us to pick. I know that's the old saying that people get tired of hearing about, but that's what we need to do with this team. You never know who is going to be injured and who is not going to work out from year-to-year, so you just need to take good football players, and that's what we're going to do."
For now, it's too early to tell with any degree of certainty what the Cowboys will do with their 14th pick. But that won't stop us from looking at who some selected mockers like for the Cowboys this week.
Draftcountdown.com, 1/20/2012: Dre Kirkpatrick, CB, Alabama.
It was another disappointing season for the Cowboys and the organization will have to go back to the drawing board to try and figure out why the team continues to underachieve. One area where an upgrade is called for is cornerback since Terence Newman is overpaid and past his prime.
Alabama’s Dre Kirkpatrick is a tall, rangy cover guy who isn’t afraid to hit and also played in what is essentially a pro style system under Nick Saban in college. With that said, Kirkpatrick isn’t the elite, shutdown corner that some have made him out to be and is probably more of a mid first round value than a top ten pick. Kirkpatrick also has some off-the-field concerns following an arrest in mid-January, but that isn’t the type of thing that will scare off Jerry Jones.
Dallas could also use a safety like Mark Barron of Alabama or perhaps even an outside linebacker such as Alabama’s Courtney Upshaw or South Carolina’s Melvin Ingram since Anthony Spencer is going to be a free agent. After using a first round pick on an offensive lineman for the first time in two decades last year, don’t be shocked if Jones tries it once again with Stanford OG David DeCastro.
SportingNews.com, 1/20/2012: Zach Brown, OLB, North Carolina.
With Anthony Spencer likely to leave as a free agent, the Cowboys have to find a player who can rush the passer effectively opposite DeMarcus Ware.
Drafttek.com, 1/19/2012: David DeCastro, G, Stanford.
The pipe dream was fun while we smoked it, but this week CB Kirkpatrick is a top ten pick and there is quite a drop-off in talent to Dennard . . . thus, it's the "People's Choice" Stanford's David DeCastro, the #1 OG in this year's draft class. DeCastro is smart, athletic and possesses a mean streak. The interior of the Cowboy OL definitely needs an upgrade, as the youth conversion project continues.
New OC/OL coach Bill Callahan has his OT bookends in Smith and Free but if OG Montrae Holland (UFA) shows up overweight again, the roll call includes the oft-injured Kyle Kosier, Derrick Dockery (UFA), David Arkin (last year's 4th round selection who the coaches say needs to get stronger?) and Bill Nagy (last year's 7th round selection who did not start at Wisconsin due to his affinity for riding scooters) to line up either side of centers Costa and Kowalski. Will Dallas invest yet another 1st round choice on the OL? Looks to me like they have to!
Football's Future, 1/16/2012: Devon Still, DL, Penn St.
There was a lot of talk centered around the Cowboys interest in JJ Watt last year at this time, but they went with Tyron Smith instead. This year, the need is still there, and Still would fill that role nicely with his size and ability to control gaps.
FanSpeak.com: 1/16/2012: Michael Brockers, DT, LSU
The Cowboys could definitely look to upgrade their defensive backfield with this pick, but I think the Cowboys could look to splurge and take an impact lineman with this pick. Their defensive line is pretty solid right now, but they lack an impact 3-4 end in the mold of a Justin Smith. Brockers could be that, as he is an incredible disruptive force and could even be a better end than last year star rookie J.J. Watt.
Dallas Cowboys Mock Draft overview (min. two rounds deep)
| 1st Round | 1st Round | 2nd Round | 3rd Round | 4th Round | 5th Round | 6th Round |
| Drafttek (1/19) | David DeCastro, G, Stanford | Stephon Gilmore, CB, South Carolina |
Trevor Gruyton, DE, California |
Shea McClellin, OLB, Boise State | Nicolas Jean-Baptiste, DT, Baylor | Keith Tandy, CB, West Virginia |
|
Draftsite (1/18) |
Alfonzo Dennard, CB, Nebraska | Alameda Ta'amu, DT, Washington | Bruce Irvin, DE, West Virginia | Darron Thomas, QB, Oregon | Duke Ihenacho, S, San Jose State | Ryan Miller, OG, Colorado |
| Walter Football (1/18) | David DeCastro, G, Stanford | Janoris Jenkins, CB, North Alabama | Kendall Reyes, DE/DT, Connecticut | Michael Brewster, C, Ohio State | ||
|
FanSpeak.com (1/16) |
Michael Brockers, DT, LSU | Stephon Gilmore, CB, South Carolina | Aaron Henry, S, Wisconsin | Keenan Robinson, OLB Texas | Robert Blanton, CB, Notre Dame | Russell Wilson, QB, Wisconsin |
|
Sideline Scholars (1/16) |
Melvin Ingram, DE, South Carolina | Brandon Thompson, DT, Clemson | Shaun Prater, CB, Iowa |
1 recs | 335 comments
If we don't get Poe and we could get Baptiste in the 4th that would be sweet.
football mensa - January 21, 2012
Walter Football
getting both DeCastro and Jenkins would be a dream come true. Brewster is a good Center prospect as well.
CaliCowboysFan92 - January 21, 2012
Reyes is the man too
Omar Little - January 21, 2012
we have an in with paul pasqualoni
regarding kendall reyes
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
whats the skinny on Kendall ?
IRONRAVEN - January 21, 2012
I mean Garrett and Co. Will have inside info on him.
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
Janoris Jenkins will not be there at 45 . . .
Kendall Reyes won’t be there at 82 . . . and Brewster won’t be there at 113 . . . but as long as we’re smokin’ hopium with Walter Football, what about this draft?
Andrew Luck at #14
Morris Claiborne at #45
Courtney Upshaw at #82
David DeCastro at #113
Peter Konz at #144
Dontari Poe at #175
And we’ll trade our 7th round choice for Carl Nicks
Now how’s that for “mocking” Walter Football??? LOL!
Long Ball - January 21, 2012
smokin' hopium
line of the offseason thus far
KD Drummond - January 21, 2012
Be real KD.
We drink that kool aid all year long then when the games start and we’re not doing as well we get over frustrated when in reality we should all know what’s going on.
DCyanks21 - January 21, 2012
hey, I'd just never heard that phrase before
I like it and you can’t change my mind :D
KD Drummond - January 21, 2012
ARGH!
DCyanks21 - January 21, 2012
Ok, I just gotta ask
WTF is Hopium? I think I know what Opium is – is hopium something like opium w/ a hydrogen atom added to take the user even higher…
(I can hear the music now. . .higher, Higher, HIGHER!!!)
Tyrone Jenkins - January 21, 2012
a guy with
Too much hope!
Like on hope-pium
CoachGary - January 21, 2012
I thought it was pretty obvious
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012
I'm an idiot
but I kinda like the opium + hydrogen (I guess I’m a nerd too).
Tyrone Jenkins - January 21, 2012
No, it took guts
to ask.
Sometimes there are only sight differences between the extremes.
For example, there is only a slight difference between being “Gullible”, and being “Open-Minded.”
CoachGary - January 22, 2012
Often the difference
being “Experience”
CoachGary - January 22, 2012
Hopium
I agree – best quote to date. (I’ll have to use that one at work…)
Tyrone Jenkins - January 22, 2012
You're over-thinking it Tyrone!!
Actually it took me a little while too….
dunkman - January 22, 2012
Not the column for "realist fan".
stubabe - January 22, 2012
"hopium" is so good, I'm rec'ing his post.
Fernie67 - January 22, 2012
I didn't realize that Luck was a CB
RenoCowboy - January 21, 2012
Unless he's a Dallas CB
then he’s “no luck”
dunkman - January 21, 2012
Well if you look at the mock draft all together...
There’s not too many wild picks. There’s a few WRs that go earlier than I’d expect them to go, especially given this year’s FA class and Weeden goes in the 3rd, but other than that most of the picks are pretty justifiable. Given that a draft borad never exactly follows any or even the consensus big boards that are out there I’d say the Walter Football mock is justifiable even if it’s extremely Cowboys friendly. Besides, Reyes has his fair share of warts. He needs to learn a few things, and a 3rd round pick is about where he should go. Brewster’s projected as a 3rd/4th round prospect as is. I think too many people fell in love with him too quickly at MTD, so I’d say you’re definitely wrong there. You’re right about Jenkins. He’s a great talent despite his character flaws and spending a year against D2 competition, but all the picks made ahead of him are justifiable, AND he does have some serious concerns about his size, character, and not playing against top shelf competition this year.
Omar Little - January 21, 2012
Upshaw won`t be there at 82
I doubt Konz makes it to 144 either.
ziggy19 - January 22, 2012
What group of mock drafts wouldn't be complete
Without Michael Brockers? Now people are saying he’s going to be Justin Smith?
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
wellllll
Not Justin Smith but disruptive like him.
CaliCowboysFan92 - January 21, 2012
how many years has brockers been a starter with good stats ?
IRONRAVEN - January 21, 2012
he's a redshirt sophomore
so he doesn’t have a lot of production
kitten mittens - January 21, 2012 via Android app
that's what i was thinking, there's no way id draft em in the 1st then hehehe
IRONRAVEN - January 21, 2012
that's exactly my point
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
Darron Thomas is garbage
He is not a QB the Boys need to target. I’ve seen a lot of him.
The Boys will target Moore and Wilson in the late rounds.
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
Doubting Thomas?
DIRE WOLF - January 21, 2012
Hahahaha
dunkman - January 21, 2012
not Wilson either......too short
DIRE WOLF - January 21, 2012
Drew Brees is barely 6 ft tall
Moore is 6 ft, and Wilson is 5’11. Not much difference in height between 6ft and 5’11
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
That's fine, but I still wouldn't draft a short QB.
DIRE WOLF - January 21, 2012
You are right
They are both too small.
RenoCowboy - January 21, 2012
Is Drew Brees too small at 6ft?
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
Brees is an elite talent
QBs with arms and eyes like that are exceptions to the general rule of QB size, Drew Brees takes sh*ts that are better QBs than Moore and Wilson. Lets not compare two guys who might not even make it out of training camp to a Hall of Famer okay? You’re smarter than this Roh.
Omar Little - January 21, 2012
Drew Brees
Wasn’t an elite arm, and doesn’t have elite size. Braes has worked on his arm strength since coming to the NFL, and especially since going to the Saints.
Kellen Moore is the same height. Kellen Moore, has a quick release, and pin point accuracy, and throws a very nice ball which is easy to catch. The guy also brings intangibles to the table, which can’t be denied. I’m not advocating Kellen Moore as a 1st or 2nd Rd pick, but I do believe the guy can be an NFL starter, quality backup depending on the team that goes to.
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012
Dude...
Brees had a way better college career than Moore. He played in a pro style offense and tore up the Big 10 record book, he was the 32nd pick in the draft too. He’s become a lot better QB than what he was in college, yeah, all great QBs make improvements at the NFL level. Just don’t use someone who’s HoF bound to justify taking an unconventional player. Nor am I trying to say that Kellen Moore CAN’T be a good QB, just that using Brees as an example is bad reasoning.
Omar Little - January 21, 2012
A couple things
Drew Brees’ College stats:
1,026 completions/1,678 attempts 11,792 yards, 90 TD passes
Kellen Moore’s college stats
1,157 completions/1,658 attempts 14,657 yards 142 TD passes (only 28 INTs) career passer rating of 169
According to performance, I’d say statistically Moore had a better college career than Drew Brees. At a minimum, one cannot with a straight face say Drew Brees “had a way better college career than Moore.”
Kellen Moore is the winningest QB in college football, and has won big games, see his performance against Georgia this year, against VaTech in 2010, against Oregon in 2009 and 2008. He also won a BCS Bowl (Fiesta Bowl Jan 2010).
I’m not diminishing anything Brees has done in the NFL or in College by saying Kellen Moore compares to Drew Brees in terms of height. I brought up Drew Brees’ name because people above were saying he’s too small to play QB, and then you said he doesn’t have a great arm. People said they wouldn’t draft Kellen Moore because he’s 6 ft tall. So I asked, would you pass on Drew Brees whose also only 6 ft tall? If Brees is a bad example, who should I use? Stephen McGee?
Btw, you calling Kellen Moore an unconventional player suggests you’ve barely watched him play.
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012
A few things...
Kellen Moore played against weaker competition than Brees played against and in a far different offense. Maybe the word “better” wasn’t the right word to use, I should have said his college career was more indicative of an NFL QB than Moore’s. Moore played in an odd offense, and those typically don’t produce NFL QBs. Brees was a far different player and probably shouldn’t be compared to Moore.
As far as Kellen Moore? If they take him in the 6th or 7th round I don’t think the decision deserves that much scrutiny. If they take him in the 7th but Broyles is there I might be a lil mad, but I wouldn’t care too much. I mean honestly, how many 6th or 7th rounders make it past camp, let alone do anything? Why not gamble on a player like Moore? If it’s a 4th or a 5th…ehhh wouldn’t like it. If someone’s hassling you over a 6th or a 7th round pick it’s on them, not on you.
As far as comps go, I think a reasonable best case scenario for Moore is Billy Volek, career back up, good enough to start for a team like the Redskins but better suited as a back up.
Omar Little - January 21, 2012
How many Boise St games have you seen?
Moore didn’t play in some gimmicky offense. He played in a pro style offense similar to Wisconsin.
I’ve watched a ton of Boise St games the last 4 years. it’s not a gimmick offense like the one Colt McCoy, Tim Tebow, Cam Newton ran purely using the shot gun spread, or a gimmicky Pistol Offense like Collin Kaepernick, or a gimmicky offense like the one used in Oregon.
Bringing up the competition argument is a joke because Andy Dalton played in the Mountain West, came into the NFL, without rookie mini camp, without OTA’s and led his team to the playoffs his first season.
Kellen Moore has defeated Oregon, Georgia, and Virginia Tech in what qualified as road games. When Boise St played against BCS schools he played well, and won his games. It’s not his fault more BCS schools wouldn’t play his.
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012
Just a handfull (mainly the nationally televised ones) and the highlights on ESPN
And please, “Andy Dalton had a good rookie year and played in the Mountain West…therefore the competition argument doesn’t work.” C’mon man! You’re better than that…just because one guy did it doesn’t mean that the argument has no merit at all or that everyone can make the same jump and experience the same amount of success.
Omar Little - January 21, 2012
And you're better than
Oh, I just watched a few highlights, and a couple ESPN games, so now I’m an expert on Kellen Moore and he reminds me of Billy Volek.
All I know from all the games I’ve watched, is Kellen Moore is a winner, and plays well in big games, and in crunch time. He wasn’t a product of some gimmick offense either.
Let’s just agree to disagree on this and call it a day cause this back and forth isn’t proving anything, and won’t settle anything.
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012
Touche'
I probably watched eight or ten Boise State Games, and I never claimed to be an expert on Kellen Moore, nor did I say that he reminds me of Billy Volek, just that Volek’s probably a reasonable best case scenario for a QB like Moore. Not that that’s a bad thing either…I’m pretty sure most people here would love to have Volek as the back up QB.
Omar Little - January 21, 2012
I dont think this is fair
I’ve watched alot of Moore’s games and to say he is career backup is not giving him the credit he is due. Give him the Tim we gave McGee and see how he looks I don’t think it matters anyways once this o line and defense gets fixed I bet we trade up and get our qb of the future but if giving up on McGee is the route to go then take Moore he has the potential if he can make the next step with the same transition he did into college.
Sado44 - January 22, 2012 via mobile
well said
let the Eagles or Redskins play around with a midget QB
DCNation73 - January 22, 2012
Couldn't agree more...
Darron Thomas would not have been a QB in any other system, and only looked halfway decent because of scheme and two future NFL running backs.
BVandy - January 21, 2012
Drafttek and Walterfootball
Have the two mockdrafts I like.
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
You didn't put my choice in the poll.
Chia!
He’s as reliable as those guys (remember who was pushing Tyron last year).
Tom Ryle - January 21, 2012
lol good looks
I dont have a mock out yet
but ChiaCrack radio 3pm eastern, taking some calls today
fanshot link is up
Archie Barberio - January 21, 2012
give us some late round qbs the boys should consider
DIRE WOLF - January 21, 2012
thats a good one
ok ok
call in if you want too
Archie Barberio - January 21, 2012
I'm kinda of shy when it comes to talking to celebrities.
DIRE WOLF - January 21, 2012
come on my dude
I am a cool celeb, like like like like Russell Brand or something
Archie Barberio - January 21, 2012
So we have to get you to the Greek?
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
lol
Archie Barberio - January 21, 2012
You divorced Katie Perry?
That qualifies you as a fool :)
Nickthegrip - January 21, 2012
she left me!
Archie Barberio - January 21, 2012
Caught him messing around...
…with Shay
Mikhaili - January 21, 2012
Brest string of comments in a while
er. Breast…crap! Best.
White Wolf - January 22, 2012
so, you're a Cowboy messiah...
And you’re sex addict who’d leave Katy Perry? I call Bullcrap!
Shaymer - January 21, 2012
B.J. Coleman from Chattanooga
Long Ball - January 21, 2012
He looked good tonight in the game.
Rena - January 21, 2012
a couple guys stood out
Jarius Wright is blazing fast, the guard from Cal PA Rishaw Johnson I thought looked pretty good, there is a RT from Southern Mississippi too and Akiem Hicks looked real good
the WR from Cal PA, Mayo had a good game
Archie Barberio - January 21, 2012
The Hogs are going to miss Wright.
And Adams, etc, etc lol.
Rena - January 22, 2012
You got your own show?
DCyanks21 - January 21, 2012
You hadn't heard?
He and Jerry have a show together.
DIRE WOLF - January 21, 2012
yup
blogtalkradio.com/chiacrack
Archie Barberio - January 21, 2012
gratz Chia on your talk show
DCNation73 - January 22, 2012
thanks
Archie Barberio - January 22, 2012
bump
Shaymer - January 21, 2012
posted your show up on FB wall , maybe that will help on numbers )
IRONRAVEN - January 21, 2012
Easy there Tom . . .
I had Tyron long before Chia last year . . . I’ve even got his e-mail to me asking more about him.
Long Ball - January 21, 2012
lol really?
Archie Barberio - January 21, 2012
LOL, how's it shakin' Chia?
Been knee-deep in Big Board, editing CMD comments and trying to get the ODS to behave . . . and thought I would take a break and rattle your chain.
Long Ball - January 21, 2012
What do those acronyms stand for>
Omar Little - January 21, 2012
if I may LongBall
CMD-Consensus Mock Draft
ODS-Online Draft Simulator
I am Ironman!!! - January 21, 2012
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH
THAT Long Ball. Gotcha.
Omar Little - January 21, 2012
Yeah, I'm growing impatient, Long Ball
Just kidding, but I am eagerly awaiting an updated big board, and I see that you updated the draft order in the ODS in the last two games.
One.Cool.Customer - January 22, 2012
all good bro
chilling, draft time so its a bust season for guys like us
how you been?
Archie Barberio - January 22, 2012
busy
Archie Barberio - January 22, 2012
When it's all said and done
The Cowboys pick will be Nick Perry. I expect him to be linked heavily with the Boys in the coming months.
accidental innuendo - January 21, 2012
Please no.
DCyanks21 - January 21, 2012
Perry is going to blow up at the Combine
Best combination of potential and production for the Boys at 14
accidental innuendo - January 21, 2012
Never mind.
I confused him with Still.
DCyanks21 - January 21, 2012
I have no opinion on still
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
Not a fan.
So many others who seem better.
DCyanks21 - January 21, 2012
I agree 100% on not taking Perry.
The most important “group” in the NFL is not LB’s, its not DB’s, it is not DL….
It is the Offensive Line. You have to be able to Run the Ball and protect the QB.
In this new NFL, all you need is an average Defense, and a great offense. The top teams this year were/are the ones that can put a lot of points on the board.
New England, Giants, Packers, Saints. The 49ers are an abboration and should loose to NE if they get past the Giants because all you need on Defense is to just keep the other guys defense on the field all the time.
Pick DeCastro FIRST!!!!!!
And then pick which of the other positions we need help with based upon which ones have the least amount of picks….in other words the inverse of depth at the other positions. IMHO!!!!
Get Carl Nicks and DeCastro, and then focus the rest of the draft and Free Agency on Defense.
CoachGary - January 21, 2012
The OLINE keeps your QB upright
and opens holes for RB.
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
Yep!!!
CoachGary - January 21, 2012
Nicks and DeCastro?
Expect MVP Romo to show up.
DCyanks21 - January 21, 2012
Again, I would like to
point out that the depth of positions in the draft is the KEY to the strategy of getting value.
For example, if there are only 5 Rush Linebackers in the draft that are above a B+, and there are 30 Offensive linemen that are all above a B+, then the first pick might have to be a Rush Linebacker.
CoachGary - January 21, 2012
yes
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
"new NFL"
Ok when did the NFL become new again and who took the old one? I miss the old NFL, we had 5 blings then. This new NFL sucks.
AlanK - January 21, 2012 via iPhone app
Well look at it this way
The Eagles sucked in both but we’ve swapped the Skins sucking for the Giants sucking.
Omar Little - January 21, 2012
We ought to go BPA.
If DeCastro is BPA then we ought to go for him
But no how no way do we draft for need.
Jonathan Stern - January 22, 2012
This^^^.
NVCowboy4Life - January 22, 2012
I dont like the BPA
saying…..
What if the BPA is a running back, do you take him if there is a DB that is 99.9 % as good as that Running Back? I dont think so.
What if the BPA is a QB, do we take him even though a DB, Rush Linebacker and O-Lineman is more important and just one pick below him. No! You can trade down and hope that you get your man, but sometimes you can miss out on the guy you want by doing that.
Do both…..Take the BPA that fits your needs if the picks are close in value.
CoachGary - January 22, 2012
Yes , that is exactly what did not happen when the Cowboys passed up Joe Montana. The Cowboys got a good player Doug Cosbie , but Doug Cosbie is not in the HOF.
This happens to be a good year for guards , but if there weren’t any would you force the selection. Lets say that DeCastro was taken at 10 Peter Konz at 11 would you force the pick and take Kevin Zeltner at 14?
BPA give a team the best chance to avoid JAGS.
JAGs are almost the same as busts.
Jonathan Stern - January 22, 2012
Well they make their boards accordingly
Their is a vertical rank and an horizontal rank. Pretty complex but the position of need is weighed in to that. So if BPA truly is a RB then they no doubt should take him.
Isn’t that how we ended up with Carter and Murray?
thebigham - January 22, 2012
I like these a lot better than the ones from last week. It was hard to pick one only.
Rena - January 21, 2012
good point
they are much better than last weeks
Archie Barberio - January 21, 2012
I was thinking that as well
I wouldn’t hate any of these.
dunkman - January 21, 2012
OCC, for the mock draft contest you should post a poll of all the mocks that turned green
because some posted their mocks later than others, then all the readers can vote in the poll on all the mock drafts at the same time.
Lissyyyyy - January 21, 2012
thats a good idea
Archie Barberio - January 21, 2012
There are too many mocks to take a vote on all. I’ll profile the mocks with the most rec’s, and I might exercise my dicretionary powers and pick a couple that didn’t get enough rec’s. Then I’ll put them to the vote.
Probably early next week.
One.Cool.Customer - January 21, 2012
Mad not every site has us taking Ingram.
DCyanks21 - January 21, 2012
you like him now?
Archie Barberio - January 21, 2012
huh?
I never didn’t like him.
He was always in my top 3, but I saw some highlights of him. Pure athlete.
DCyanks21 - January 21, 2012
okay
Archie Barberio - January 21, 2012
who are the other 2?
Archie Barberio - January 21, 2012
DeCastro and Dre.
But Brockers is moving into that 3 spot shortly with the possibly available CB’s in the 2nd round.
DCyanks21 - January 21, 2012
Id take Kirkpatrick if he is there
but my 3
DeCastro
Ingram
Brockers
Archie Barberio - January 21, 2012
Glad we agree on our favorite four.
DCyanks21 - January 21, 2012
yup same guys I like
Brockers is really growing on me
gonna talk about him today a lot
Archie Barberio - January 21, 2012
Agreed.
Lots of good CB’s so I think going pass rush or guard help will be the best option in the 1st round.
DCyanks21 - January 21, 2012
Me to too,Chia. Decastro has always been my pick but,
Wes has a 8.0 grade on Brockers! With both being blue chip players,I would take Brockers over Decastro.I have argued for Decastro because there were no other defensive blue chippers at #14.If Brockers is there at #14,that is my pick.If not Decastro is my pick and I am looking at the Hamilton kid out of Mizzou later on.
NVCowboy4Life - January 21, 2012
Brockers
Is a tweener DE/DT. Too much project/developmental time for him. I wouldn’t waste a 14th on him. It’s like drafting a Euro forward whose close to 7 ft but plays like a small forward, in the lottery of the NBA draft. Too much uncertainty, as to whether or not those guys will be the next Dirk.
Too much uncertainty as to whether or not Brockers can turn into Watt or Justin Smith at DE, or become Rat at DT.
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
I don't think you have to worry
From what I’m hearing, Brockers won’t make it out of the top 10.
OT, Chia (or anyone else), what your opinion on Dwight Bentley(CB from LA-Lafayette)? He’s another guy I’ve heard may sneak into the 3rd round. I’ve seen this kid play a number of times, and he’s a helluva player. I’m guessing his Senior Bowl and combine performances will ultimately decide his draft position, but if you don’t know anything about him, check him out. We could do a lot worse than him in the 3-4 round. ULL has been pretty productive as far as churning out NFL DBs (former Vikings Orlando Thomas and Todd Scott, current players Charles Tillman (Bears), Ike Taylor (Steelers), CC Brown (Giants?), Michael Adams (Cardinals)), and at the same point in their careers, Bentley is every bit as good as any of them. I think Tillman (who’s in the Pro Bowl this year) was the highest drafted of them all though. He went in the 2nd.
sportsfanatic21 - January 21, 2012
Wtf, Brockers (pre-combine) is a top 10 pick?
What am I failing to see here?
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012
What you're failing to see
is potential being valued more highly than production.
One.Cool.Customer - January 22, 2012
too much risk with him
we’re not a team who can afford that risk with the no.14 pick.
what do you think OCC?
Rohpuri - January 22, 2012 via mobile
I am not a strong believer in magic.
I can’t say that I’ve watched Brockers play – I didn’t notice him in the few LSU games I saw this year. I am however intrigued that people are comparing him with J.J. Watt.
But Watt had 11.5 sacks and 36 TFL in 26 games, Brockers has 2 sacks and 11 TFL in 27 games.
Unless you have a very good explanation for why Brockers’ purported potential never materialized in college (I haven’t heard one yet) there is no reason to expect that potential to magically appear at the NFL level.
One.Cool.Customer - January 22, 2012
That's my opinion as well
Rohpuri - January 22, 2012 via mobile
Not trying to argue with you but Wes has Brockers as his #1 ranked DT and CBS has him at #2 DT.
Don’t know what you know on the subject Rohpuri,but Wes is raving about Brockers and most others have him really high.I go by what Bunting and Mayock say,have only watched LSU twice this year(one being the BCS Champ game). JMHO,but if we can land Brockers at #14 it would be a steal.
NVCowboy4Life - January 22, 2012
Where's Upshaw for you?
I guess same question to DC and the board.
Mine’s probably:
DeCastro, Dre, Bockers, Ingram. I think Ingram might be too big to play the SLB, and might have to move to the end, which I think that he can do, so I’d still like to have him on the squad.
Omar Little - January 21, 2012
yeah Ingram is too big for olb and brockers hasnt shown me enough in just one year
IRONRAVEN - January 21, 2012
So Ingram goes to DE.
DCyanks21 - January 21, 2012
prob is Ingram is a lil too light to play DE for the boyz
to me Ingram is a tweener, too heavy to play fast olb to light to play DE in 3-4 , but that’s just my view … hehhh
IRONRAVEN - January 21, 2012
Athlete though.
DCyanks21 - January 21, 2012
true
IRONRAVEN - January 21, 2012
He's still what? 22
Clay Matthews put on 20 pounds after the combine and before his Rookie season. He can put on the necessary weight to play DE. He’s a big guy, it’s easier for guys that big to put on weight usually.
Omar Little - January 21, 2012
matthews plays OLB
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
So?
Players can still put on weight to fit the position. I think that he might be too big to play OLB and he may have to switch to DE…I don’t see why he can’t get a little bigger to play DE at the NFL level.
Omar Little - January 21, 2012
I think he'll actually have to drop weight
Down to the 260s. That’s how Wes Bunting sees it, because he projects more as a 3-4 OLB.
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
Maybe...
Who knows maybe he’s good enough to be 270 and an OLB. Either way, I think if you draft him you probably can find a place for him, whether that means we should get excited about taking him at 14, I’m not sure.
Omar Little - January 21, 2012
I'm not a 100% sold
On the idea of taking Ingram at 14, when Perry is still there, Mercilus will be in the first rd, and then in round 2 you could get a guy like Curry, Massaquoi, or Irvin.
Interestingly, Perry, Curry, Massaquoi, and Irvin had better sack production than Ingram for their careers.
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
I agree
If we draft him, we should be able to find a place for him. But 14 might be a bit high. The combine will give us a better picture.
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
I found a good 3-4 comparison for Ingram
Tamba Hali, he’s 6’3" 275 and plays OLB for the Chiefs. And he ran a 40 in the 4.8 range.
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
Mario Williams plays SOLB
at 290+…
TheCowboyWay - January 21, 2012
Mario Williams
Is 283, not 290. And He struggled playing OLB, he wasn’t happy moving to OLB. I think he’s going to a 4-3 team so he can play with his hand on the ground.
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
The point is
that you don’t necessarily have to be in the 260 range to play OLB. Especially on the strong side.
TheCowboyWay - January 21, 2012
True
Tamba Hali is having doing fine playing 3-4 OLB at 275
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
he may not have been happy about it Roh
but to say he struggled isn’t completely correct…The Biggest issue was the change from being on the line to off it, and the snap of the ball…however He was getting that corrected….
I am Ironman!!! - January 21, 2012
fair point
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
Actually he was doing well at OLB cause he was rushing on almost every down.
He can’t cover but it doesn’t matter.
If he is your OLB then you are playing a 4-3
Jonathan Stern - January 22, 2012
He's also the size of Lamarr Woodley
Prime Time - January 21, 2012 via mobile
Woodley 6'2" 265
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
Too big?
He reminds me of a more athletic LaMarr Woodley, at least in terms of size.
Riddlah. - January 21, 2012
well
Woodley is 6’2" 265
Ingram is 6’2 278
The more accurate comparison is Tamba Hali, whose 6’3" 275
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012
Woodley has gained some weight from last year (it’s kind of obvious lol) and is most likely more like 270-275lbs, so they are somewhat close to being the same weight.
Riddlah. - January 22, 2012
I like Ingram but two things concern me
1) his weight in the 270s-280 range
2) him potentially running a 40 in the 4.8 range which is really low for a 3-4 pass rusher at OLB
If we take him, we might have to switch him to END and use him like JJ Watt.
Or maybe we can go swiss army with him.
All I know is, I won’t be mad if we take Ingram. But I will throw a b**** fest if Brockers is the guy.
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
Don't let the 40 time sway you
Look at the 3 cone and 10 yard sprint numbers
Trueblue122 - January 21, 2012
Good point.
I also want to see his verticle jump
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
You see him return a fake punt for a TD?
He’s fast.
DCyanks21 - January 21, 2012
Yeah, he's got game speed
He looks faster during the games
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
All that matters.
DCyanks21 - January 21, 2012
One great play
Hell Julius Jones had a couple of great games! Lets not overstate the importance of one play, much like we shouldn’t overstate the importance of one workout.
Omar Little - January 21, 2012
Another good point
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012
I mean don't get me wrong...
He has the potential to make great plays, but still…don’t be all, HE IS ATHLETIC HE MADE ONE GREAT PLAY!!!!! Spencer’s had his moments, remember that clutch strip sack of Grossman? Lets make him the highest paid defender in the league! Not trying to say he isn’t good, just that pointing to the TD return to justify his athleticism and skill is pretty dumb.
Omar Little - January 21, 2012
Ingram reminds me of Tamba Hali
Hali 6’3" 275, while Ingram is 6’2" 278
Hali ran a 4.87 40 at the combine; Ingram projects to run a 4.8 40
If Ingram can out up Tamba Hali production in his first 6 years (348 tackles, 55 sacks, 22 Forced Fumbles) it would be a great pick at 14.
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
thats a solid 3
my pick would be replacing Spencer with Ingram but any of those 3 would help this team.
theres a ton of CBs in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th round range that could really help this secondary
DCNation73 - January 22, 2012
same build as tamba hali
if Ingram has a first 6 years like Hali while playing opposite Ware, wow.
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
Isnt curry a second round pick
So like issue before but fa tells more than anything but wouldn’t a trade down so we can get Poe and two seconds like curry and maybe even still Gilmore. And o line in the 3rd that would leave us sign Elam for 1 year Finn. And free agent o line we could be set.
Sado44 - January 21, 2012 via mobile
Scenario
Say we sign Nicks or Grubbs in FA.
If Claiborne is available at 5 would you package the picks to move up and get him? The guy could be one of the best CB’s in the NFL in a couple years.
jack dein - January 21, 2012
moving to #5 will cost a butt load
DIRE WOLF - January 21, 2012
No.
DCyanks21 - January 21, 2012
Too many good corners. Don't need to trade up.
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
This.
We could take his teammate Taylor the SS later in the draft.
DCyanks21 - January 21, 2012
Really
Because I count only 3 elite cb prospects…. The rest are guys, care to share what other cb is great but can’t make it in rd 1?
drobe86 - January 21, 2012 via mobile
Here are my guys
Chase Minniefield (from Virginia), Josh Chapman (from UCF), Josh Norman (Coastal Carolina), Cliff Harris (Oregon), Keith Tandy (West Virgina).
That’s 5 guys at CB not listed as first round prospects I like.
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
add shaun prater of iowa to my list of non-1st rd CBs
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
Cliff Harris is a FS, no?
sportsfanatic21 - January 21, 2012
CB
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
you're probably thinking of the guy who used to play for dallas
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
No. Thinking of the guy driving 100 mph
with weed in his car that played for Oregon. I just thought he was a safety, and not a corner.
sportsfanatic21 - January 21, 2012
He was supposed to be one of the very best CB's in the draft.
But there have been numerous issues off the field.
He was suspended for 3 games at the start of the year for 1 incident, then suspended again for the last 5 games for another stunt. Then he pulled another one after Thanksgiving and Oregon gave up and threw him off the team.
Rena - January 21, 2012
A noob question here,
Is there a legitimate way we could increase the number of 2nd-3rd round picks? There are a lot of guys there I like(based on CBS scouting reports) and this defense needs lots of help. Guys like gilmore, Minnifield, Markelle Martin and Shaun Prater in the secondary, along with front 7 guys like Curry, Irvin, Reyes, Massaquoi, Chapman.
randyd - January 21, 2012
None of those
Guys helps us yr 1…. We need claiborne, janoris Jenkins or Kirkpatrick to get sn impact cb… The rest are jags… You don’t get great CBS after rd 1….
drobe86 - January 21, 2012 via mobile
I disagree.
I think Martin would be an immediate upgrade at FS and either Gilmore or Minnifield would do the same at Newman’s corner spot. If Decastro is at 14, take him-if not, trade down a ways and take Poe, move Rat to DE to try to pick up Martin and Gilmore or Minnifield. Could be an upgrade at 4 spots.
randyd - January 21, 2012
+1
DCNation73 - January 22, 2012
nice you can predict the future
Jerry should invite you to the war room on draft day
DCNation73 - January 22, 2012
Cowboys 14th pick is easy
Take Upshaw…. Spencer showed us hes jag…. Upshaw is a fast physical Olb with all the tools… Looks like James Harrison…. If I had a 2nd choice I’d take mark Barron… We haven’t had a decent safety in 15 years…. It’s time we end that trend now….
drobe86 - January 21, 2012 via mobile
I'm off the Upshaw wagon.
Look at highlights from Ntl. Championship game. VERRRY slow first step.
rabblerousr - January 21, 2012
Agreed...
If you look at his projections about the 75th percentile for his ceiling is a rich man’s Spencer, his 100th percentile, as in EVERYTHING goes right and he reaches his absolute ceiling, is probably Greg Ellis in a good year. Not sure I want him at 14.
Omar Little - January 21, 2012
yup
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
+1 about Upshaw
DCNation73 - January 22, 2012
Too slow, gets lost with blockers, takes poor angles.
Not very instinctual. Not much of an athlete, just big and strong, and very slow.
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
If the Boys
are staying with the 3-4 Draftek’s is the best
Son of Pete Wright - January 21, 2012
Welcome to the blog, Junior
sit back, relax and enjoy your first rec.
One.Cool.Customer - January 22, 2012
Walter Football
is unrealistic. Looks like a Cowboy’s fan wrote that mock. Jenkins won’t be there when we pick at 45 — there is no way. And Brewster in the 4th? I doubt he’ll make it out of the 2nd round. That being said, my sports wiener would explode if we got that haul.
egriffey - January 21, 2012
Wow
Five pretty good drafts. Walter Football’s easily the best, because that’s four starters for 2013, two high end ones and another one that has potential to do something special. Jeez…if they had that I’d have Mensa kiss JJ on the mouth.
Draftsite’s probably the second best with three players that’d see playing time in 2012, all of whom have the potential to make some serious noise on the defense. I don’t quite think that defense is the problem, I definitely think it needs to be addressed, but not to the point that they do…but that draft fixes just about all the problems on the defense. Draftek’s may be a more likely draft, they’d basically be getting two starters and they’d have some guys that’d get some PT later in the draft but probably won’t be ready to start until 2013. Which is fine, some players are worth the wait, and with the first two picks you’re getting two starters at positions of need and you’d be getting several players with a chance to get some PT their rookie year and a serious chance to contribute their sophomore season.
Omar Little - January 21, 2012
3 greats......
IRONRAVEN - January 21, 2012
Random, but the 3 best Runningbacks ever
Trueblue122 - January 21, 2012
At least the three best alive...
Payton is sadly missing.
Omar Little - January 21, 2012
Yeah, it's too bad Sweetness is no longer alive.
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
You know what
At pick 175, I wouldn’t mind taking a flyer on QB BJ Coleman from Tennessee Chattanooga. He’s 6’3 235, has nice arm, makes good reads, and was schooled by Peyton Manning’s QB Coach David Cutcliffe. Watching the East-West game, and he’s looking sharp.
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
I think the Cowboys should be thinking QB somewhere in the last three rounds.
Tom Ryle - January 21, 2012
I agree. Btw,
Coleman so far, is 6-6 136 1TD.
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
Dunno if that guy is in this draft...
But I agree with the sentiment a thousand percent.
Omar Little - January 21, 2012
Omar, he's listed as 168th pick in the big board
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
I misread Tennessee Chattanooga
Thought it was just Tennessee, if that’s the case he may be around on the 7th. He’ll get a lot of talk after the Shrine Game though, he’s putting on a clinic here.
Omar Little - January 21, 2012
yup
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
lets get mccoy from the browns.
thebigham - January 21, 2012
We've been agreeing far too much lately Ham...
Have you been taking awesome pills lately?
Omar Little - January 21, 2012
Kellen Moore is a better QB than Colt McCoy
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012
I dunno...
McCoy’s been pretty competent, he just plays for the Browns.
Omar Little - January 21, 2012
Define "pretty competent"
because compared to most of his NFL peers in almost all relevant stats, I wonder why anybody would call McCoy competent. 27th in completion percentage, and passer rating, 33rd in yards per attempt. He does have a pretty low interception percentage, but that’s about it.
With McGee, we already have a guy who can dink and dunk all day, and at least McGee can run the ball on occasion.
One.Cool.Customer - January 22, 2012
Un-terrible.
Omar Little - January 22, 2012
yeah man, I um saw where you were getting them from.
thebigham - January 22, 2012
I dunno if he'll make it 75 picks, let alone 175 picks.
Omar Little - January 21, 2012
+1
He can make all the throws… You worry about the jump from fcs ball but he’s a player
drobe86 - January 21, 2012 via mobile
Agreed
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
We should've had an East-West Game thread
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
I'm watching that game and WVU 3-4 OLB Julian Miller looks like some one we should look at in the 6-7 round.
pfloyd1 - January 21, 2012
he really is, especially seeing that he had a respectable production ratio from OCC's post earlier in the week
KD Drummond - January 21, 2012
He caught my eye in a couple plays also. But I couldn't remember anything about him.
Rena - January 21, 2012
yup he looked intriguing for sure
Archie Barberio - January 21, 2012
I got myself free a bit too late
watching it as well, but missed the first quarter
KD Drummond - January 21, 2012
what do you think?
From what you’ve seen so far?
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
Free Aceny & Terrence Newman
For those of you who haven’t already, check out my blog in the fan post area entitled “Free Agency & Terrence Newman”….I make some key points and have a few interesting idea’s on the changes the cowboys should make, but honestly I personally don’t believe vontaze burfict is a 3rd rounder, he’s much more talented than that projection though if he’s still there come the 82nd pick then we definitely should take him. Other than that I think pick 14 we should address a more important position, that being said I would first draft Kirkpatrick if he’s available, if not then next I would draft Alfonso denard(the cornerback position is a big necessity), and if not debars i’d select Quinton Coples if available(we obviously need someone else besides demarcus ware to draw some pressure on the opposing Qb), but also if not available I’d go with kuechley if that’s how you spell it(apologies) or burfict. Why not decastro? well we could really use him but offense was definitely not the problem this past season, defended was a huge problem and we should address those holes we have in our defended.
RioWestTV - January 21, 2012 via Android app
DeCastro or Brockers
Brockers will be this years JJ Watts
Terry - January 21, 2012
Terry you're also aboard the unproven Brockers train?
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
Watt plays off the edge.
Brockers is a tackle.
DCyanks21 - January 21, 2012
Brockers is another tweener 3-4 DT/DE
He’s a raw project. It would be the equivalent of the Knicks blowing a 1st Rd pick on Gallinari (thank god we turned it in to Melo, just need to fire Coach NO D and get better guards).
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
Hmm you're killing my opinion on him. haha.
Thought he can move Ratliff to the edge.
DCyanks21 - January 21, 2012
If you want a NT to move Ratliff to DE
Look into Dontari Poe from Memphis. 6’5" 350, he’s the ideal plugger, collapse the middle of the pocket, shut down inside running game.
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
Seems like another solid option.
DCyanks21 - January 21, 2012
he is
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
pressure up the middle & getting that QB off his mark is important for success.
DCNation73 - January 22, 2012
the Knicks could use some defense lol
DCNation73 - January 22, 2012
he's projected hope at this point is all. he doesnt have the stats to show over a period of time like jj wattrs did .
brockers is a risk , simply from not enough time as starter. how can one know for sure how well he translates to NFL game as a soph. ?
IRONRAVEN - January 21, 2012
+1
How people expect a guy who didn’t produce in college to produce in the NFL is beyond me… That’s how you end up with Aaron maybin and Vernon gholstons….. I hate potential cuz nobody ever lives up to it
drobe86 - January 21, 2012 via mobile
i hear ya there ...lol give me proven talent over 3 or 4 years any day
IRONRAVEN - January 21, 2012
Well said Drobe
Leave the Brockers project for the Chiefs, Bills, Jaguars, or other crappy teams to blow a high pick on.
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
The Chiefs love their LSU guys.
DCyanks21 - January 21, 2012
And how has it worked for them?
The only Chiefs 3-4 front 7 guys I like are Tamba Hali and Derrick Johnson.
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
Really?
Tyrone Jackson, Kelly Gregg, and Glenn Dorsey don’t do anything for you? Jackson especially….
Omar Little - January 21, 2012
Tyson Jackson has been a bust.
Kelly Gregg is ok
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012
He was okay this year.
Man…I recall Tyson Jackson being kinda good…looking at the PFF stats guess I was wrong.
Omar Little - January 21, 2012
If The NFL versions of Tyson Jackson and Glenn Dorsey are Brockers' ceiling
I will run away as far as possible from Michael Brockers. Let someone else take him.
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012
Yeah...
I’m kinda wafering on him. I want DeCastro.
Omar Little - January 21, 2012
waffling :)
Nickthegrip - January 22, 2012
That too
The f and v are close.
Omar Little - January 22, 2012
I would take him the late first. If we traded down. and he was there I might take him.
Jonathan Stern - January 22, 2012
If Crick is still n the board in the late first rd
And the Cowboys had 2 first Rd picks in the 20s and 30s, I’m taking Crick.
Rohpuri - January 22, 2012 via mobile
wasnt Dorsey the best DT/DE in that draft?
i remember all the draft guru’s being on his bandwagon
DCNation73 - January 22, 2012
DeCastro or Ingram ....
but I really want Ingram! Melvin! Melvin! Melvin!
Tuna Helper - January 21, 2012
I Agree but I really want DeCastro!
pfloyd1 - January 21, 2012
Shaun prater
Is a Player… And represents the rkg, I’d consider him in the 4th
drobe86 - January 21, 2012 via mobile
i agree
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
My pet cat
keep an eye on him
Trueblue122 - January 21, 2012
They said he made some $ for himself this week at the Shrine game.
Rena - January 21, 2012
Prater is tough man
I liked how he had some swag
Archie Barberio - January 21, 2012
I'm starting to warm up to the idea of Poe at #14
…but he may not even last that long if he shows up big in Indy.
5Blings - January 21, 2012
Poe at 14 would be a terrific start to the draft
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
Not over
Kurchly, Upshaw, Ingram, or Kirkpatrick….
drobe86 - January 21, 2012 via mobile
Upshaw is an Anthony Spencer clone, I'll pass
I do lile Ingram, and Kirkpatrick. I don’t want Kuechkly, as we already have Lee & Carter.
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
Idk
What makes you say this… He has a motor, and I’ll bet anything he runs better than 4.7 come combine time…. He’s also much stronger than Spencer… He reminds me of Harrison from the steelers…
drobe86 - January 21, 2012 via mobile
I've seen him play
He’s not overly impressive. He gets
lost too much.
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
???
I’d like to watch film with you lol… I’ll tell you Ingram looks like bust to me. I watched that bowl game vs Nebraska and he was nothing short of terrible….
drobe86 - January 21, 2012 via mobile
I agree Blings.
I took him at 14 in my 2nd mock but I could see how he would already be gone by then.
Rena - January 21, 2012
Poe is tempting but at #14 might be a bit too high.
pfloyd1 - January 22, 2012
See, this is where I think some things about the draft are a bit "silly".
Say you have been looking for a big, talented NT for a couple or more years. Those guys aren’t easy to find that are athletic and have a good first step. They tend to move up the draft board fairly quickly after the combine.
So you are sitting at #14 like we are this year, the NT is graded at #18 say. Why would you leave someone on the board that you need and have a hard time finding a match like him. Just because of a few spots ranking? All because people say it isn’t a good “value”? Is it a good value to not get him and have to wait another year or three?
Sometimes GM’s break this and end up winning big, like the Giants did with JPP. But I really think that sometimes people get to hung up on listed draft order when in reality players graded within 10 or so spots of each other are probably almost identical in “potential”.
Rena - January 22, 2012
I guess a better example would be the people saying don't take DeCastro at #14.
Because you don’t pick G’s before #15 or better yet the 20’s.
Rena - January 22, 2012
That would be me
5Blings - January 22, 2012
Never say never
The historical reason for not drafting interior O linement (OGs and Cs) higher than 15 was they none deserved to receive the contract salaries associated w/ picks that high. W/ the new rookie wage scale, that argument is OBE.
Select the BPA at a position of need regardless of position. Those teams that fail to do that (because they’re picking in a spot that’s too hi regardless of how good the propspect is are doomed to mediocrity – kind of the situation Dallas is in now).
Tyrone Jenkins - January 22, 2012
Well there was Taylor last year...wasn't he better? He went what? 21st?
Omar Little - January 22, 2012
Actually at this time last year Taylor was being talked about as a 3rd rounder, maybe 2nd.
This guy is already being talked about as a 1st rounder. So I would expect that he is better. Taylor had issues with motor problems, etc.
Rena - January 23, 2012
Jerry goes off the reservation
Takes Orson Charles to form a dynamic duo at TE of their own.
houseofprime - January 21, 2012
No way in hell Bruce Irvin is available in the 3rd round
He will shoot up draft boards like Aldon Smith.
houseofprime - January 21, 2012
Well pre combine drafts are always a bit off...
Omar Little - January 21, 2012
What is sportingnews.com smoking
Zach Brown is a best fit for 4-3 OLB and his stock has dropped so much.
Trueblue122 - January 21, 2012
Yep, kinda stupid.
pfloyd1 - January 21, 2012
Shameless SBNation plug (even though I don't work for them haha)
Y’all should also look at Mocking the Draft…The head honcho over there, Dan Kadar, is brilliant.
Also there are mock drafts and scouting reports over there up the wazoo.
BigBlueIntervention - January 21, 2012
He is also a jerk.
Rena - January 21, 2012
yup lol
Archie Barberio - January 21, 2012
why is he a jerk?
BigBlueIntervention - January 21, 2012
He's always a dick to the people here.
He was mean to Terry and Chia for a bit. Rorsach posts there a lot so I guess he’s nice to Giants fans.
Omar Little - January 21, 2012
interesting. Never really saw that.
shrugs. He doesn’t have opinions on Giants fans either way, though I’ve never had a problem with him.
BigBlueIntervention - January 21, 2012
Well I dunno what it is...
Lots of people hate Cowboys fans, which I totally get (don’t see why they don’t hate the Steelers or the Niners though, by that same token), though his site is aimed at all fans he has to appease different fan bases to keep his reader ship. I dunno if it’s as simple of guys that write for the blog have their teams and fan bases treated better or what.
Omar Little - January 21, 2012
case in point
read the Comments…
I am Ironman!!! - January 21, 2012
dang
BigBlueIntervention - January 21, 2012
Maybe he pulled the stick out of his ass sometime after that...
Omar Little - January 21, 2012
lol that's a little crazy. I'm going to withold judgement of everybody
because he’s good people to me, and y’all are definitely good people. I probably shouldn’t have suggested MTD in the original comment. My bad!
BigBlueIntervention - January 21, 2012
It's an okay site with some valuable information
When it comes to the draft the more the merrier. You need a wide variety of opinions and should never disregard the opinion of anyone who has done this for a long time no matter how much of a jerk they are or how wrong they were last year. Kiper, McShay, Mayock, Bunting, and anyone who does this for a living all have valuable things to add. Some deserve more deference than others, but they’re all worth listening too. Kadar doesn’t fall into that category, but he has been doing this for a while and he’s probably worth listening to, he watches a lot of college football and followed many drafts. Yes he’s a tool, yes he sucks sometimes, but there’s still value in getting another opinion.
Omar Little - January 21, 2012
I disagree with Chia there.
Profanity is the sh*t!
Omar Little - January 21, 2012
Lol
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012
He also gets pissy when you criticize his posts.
I mean do you think Wes Bunting or Todd McShay give a crap if they disagree with eachother? That’s part of the process…you’re always going to be wrong on guys and right on others. You need diverse opinions.
Omar Little - January 21, 2012
Has Houston put the franchise tag on Mario Williams?
How much is he going to cost? Either him or try to get Nick Hardwick C.
torchindefenses - January 21, 2012 via mobile
Won't know till March when 2012 league yr begins
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
I live in Houston
and listen to sports radio. the # associated w/ franchising Mario is like $22 million (I kid you not). I have no idea why its so high.
He won’t be franchised – they’ll either sign him to a deal or he’ll walk.
Tyrone Jenkins - January 22, 2012
The franchise tag guarantees a player either the average of the top five salaries at his position or 120 percent of the player’s salary, whichever is greater.
The average salary of the top five linebackers is about $10 million. Williams’ current cap number is $18 million.
Since his cap number is greater than the franchise tag number, franchising Williams would mean the Texans must guarantee him 120 percent of his current salary next season, or about $21.6 million.
One.Cool.Customer - January 23, 2012
Probably won't.
He’ll get $21 million or somewhere around that number for the tag. With so many other options for Houston I don’t see it.
DCyanks21 - January 21, 2012
With the franchise tag.*
DCyanks21 - January 21, 2012
Josh norman
Don’t get the hype on this kid… Hasn’t made a play all day
drobe86 - January 21, 2012 via mobile
possibly b/c they haven't thrown to his side?
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
Norman
Just got burnt… He reminds me of Mario butler who we already have… I’ll pass
drobe86 - January 21, 2012 via mobile
Norman did his job on the play
Made the WR redirect his route, and because there was no safety help, the WR caught the pass.
Mike Mayock didn’t fault Norman on that play. The safety was supposed to be there.
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
Well....
He’s not gonna get safety help on Dallas this year either…. So he’s not a good fit… Our safeties are sorry
drobe86 - January 21, 2012 via mobile
our safeties will be upgraded
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
Micanor Regis
Another tweener 3-4 DT/DE to look out for in the draft. Potential mid to Late round kid. 6’2 309, had a good showing in the Shrine Game today.
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
+54
Kid looks good man… I’m thinking 5th round
drobe86 - January 21, 2012 via mobile
OCC - story idea
Since, as you said, mock drafts are pie-in-the-sky, how about creating our own Cowboys big board. Perhaps readers could help fill in which other teams may be interested, and after lining up the draft order, we could see who we have a realistic shot at. That is before FA. Just an idea, perhaps someone already does it this way, but it may be a new take on an old idea.
Silverblue - January 21, 2012
We might do a consensus mock draft this season, where the BTB community votes on each draft pick for the first and perhaps second round. But we won’t be doing a community Big Board, that’s a little too complicated.
One.Cool.Customer - January 22, 2012
After FA?
And that would be pretty cool – I can imagine the OG vs DL/CB discussions will be pretty good.
Nickthegrip - January 22, 2012
Before FA changes the whole Board, that is
I’m really hoping we nail down G or C in FA and that would greatly change how I’d construct a Big Board for Dallas. Unfortunately, I can’t stand to watch college football and as a result, know very little about the prospects.However, if I were making a big board, I’d start with a simple list of all-round best players and the round they belong in, then SLIGHTLY weigh them positively or negatively based on the Cowboy’s needs. It would be kinda neat to also factor in the needs of other teams, or at least our division rivals, in order to understand potential trade opportunities.
OCC, I know what you mean about complicated. Thanks for considering though.
Silverblue - January 23, 2012
CB Charles brown
Looks like the best cb in this game besides prater… Kid has been a shutdown corner all week…
drobe86 - January 21, 2012 via mobile
I like this Devin Wylie kid as a pubt returner/Slot Wr
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
+25
We haven’t had a good returner in a while… 7th round flier
drobe86 - January 21, 2012 via mobile
Special teams were particularly bad last year.
That, the running game, and the interior line were the biggest problems iMO.
Omar Little - January 21, 2012
The TE from Miami looks good too. 6'6, could be a solid 5th round pickup
matt575 - January 21, 2012 via mobile
Ford looks like a player
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012 via mobile
youtube him
when he was at a JUCO, he just beasted on the talent there
I am a Miami guy, so I am biased but I would love to get him
Archie Barberio - January 21, 2012
When are the Canes going to a hire a coach that doesn't blow?
I miss The U.
Omar Little - January 21, 2012
I miss the U as well
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012
East/ West shrine game
After watching the game im all for trading all our picks to hit home runs on our first 3 draft picks… I’d take 3 outstanding players who can make immediate impact over 1 starter and a bunch of jags… This draft is top heavy… I was pretty underwhelmed with most of the players in this game…
drobe86 - January 21, 2012 via mobile
Not the best players...
Isn’t the Shrine game a second or third rate all-star game?
since '66 - January 22, 2012
2nd, they say it is the mid round guys there.
Rena - January 22, 2012
anyone watch the NFLPA Bowl today?
idk they even had one
well, Jacory Harris was a QB, so it wasn’t loaded with talent, thats for sure
Archie Barberio - January 21, 2012
Post idea:
Sometime before the Combine I’d like to see a poll of which player you’d like the most, then a multiple option poll listing all the players that you’d be happy with in the first round of the draft, then probably one after the Combine, and one before the draft.
Omar Little - January 21, 2012
Yep, we’ll do somethng like that a little closer to the combine. Right now, David DeCastro would be the hands down winner. That may change a little as we get closer to the combine and other names starte getting a little more press.
One.Cool.Customer - January 22, 2012
G.J Kinne
Late round flier please.
rawrrawr - January 21, 2012
I see nothing wrong
with the Cowboys following the BPA approach.
Rohpuri - January 21, 2012
I think this is the year for a trade down and then a trade up.
What you want is two picks in the 24 36 range.
So many players are close together.
Jonathan Stern - January 22, 2012
Draft guys
I know there is no definite answer but I think it would be an interesting post to do something like this:
Show a ranking of players before the combine and then one after the combine and then one before the draft? To get an idea of how people can overthink or get impressed with flashy 40 times or something. To highlight the players that should “trust” the tape as they were ranked high to begin with but fell and now our clear studs or vice versa.
Maybe its not interesting at all or too hard idk. Just looking at last years mock at this time had Tron in like the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Hes a guy who was helped by the combine and pro days.
Good idea?
thebigham - January 22, 2012
I'm down
Rohpuri - January 22, 2012 via mobile
That IS an interesting idea.....
Alex Smith would be the poster boy for that article.
since '66 - January 22, 2012
Please, no cornerback in the first round........
I think a cornerback in the first round would be a waste, or at the least a pick that will take 3 years to bear fruit. I’m praying for a stud guard (DeCastro), an FA center and the rest of the draft spent on d-line, linebackers and secondary. The ’Boys suck in the trenches, this is where they need help the most.
since '66 - January 22, 2012
I Love It
Bryant has a couple of civil suits files against him and all I hear is “he’s a thug!” (Civil and CRIMINAL law are NOT the samething; ANYBODY can sue anybody else whether they actually HAVE a case or not, and even if they do it isn’t against the law). Yet, with the draft coming up, a chucklehead gets busted for pot and some of you CAN’T WAIT for the Cowboys to draft him! MAKE UP MY MIND!
What I’d like to see in this draft is a focus on the DEFENSE. A guy they could get in the third (MAYBE the fourth) round is Massaquoi from Troy; Ware’s Alma Mater.
Howleyesque - January 22, 2012
we need db,lb.s,guys that cover ,tackle,rush the passer,dennard is to small to cover the wr,if we cant get a good db ,let ’s get ingram,or trade down and double up our picks
milkman - January 22, 2012
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