I had a lot of fun taking a first look at what I thought were the draft needs and priorities for the Cowboys. It got a lot of attention and, most importantly, a lot of feedback. After digesting some of what I have read there and in the various and sundry other draft articles here on BTB and elsewhere, I am going to do a revised and expanded look at the draft needs, and start to put a little bit of strategy into the mix.
This is still all for fun, because as much as I would like to believe that Jason Garrett and the Jones family pore over my articles to benefit from my wisdom, I know that they don't have a clue who I am and could not possibly care less. But in our hearts, we all like to dream what we would do, sitting in the Dallas war room with the phone to the draft in front of us and the final call in our hands as the team goes on the clock.
So let me share what I would do, and how my thoughts have changed since I wrote the first article. Mostly, I'm hoping to get some other takes on things, and obviously there might be some chances to revisit this in the future, but that will depend on having something interesting to say. Which kind of puts it in your hands. After all, I'm doing this because of the 600+ comments the first look got.
And, well, because I want to.
Jump! Jump! Jump!
First, a quick review of my original "wish list" for the draft, based strictly on the Dallas picks as they currently exist.
You can already see how I tend to put some conditional things in there with the way I put the 6th and 7th spot.
I'm not going to redo the way I set the priorities, just note how my thinking has changed as go through each round.
First, I am no longer committed to a cornerback in the first round. I have developed a lean towards putting more priority on the pass rush than the secondary. In addition, this draft is considered to be very deep in cornerbacks, so the team is likely to still be able to get good value at this position in the second or third round.
Second, I am becoming more and more convinced by the David DeCastro proponents. He is by all reports a rarity, a guard that is deserving of a high to mid first round pick. In essence, he is going to become a key to figuring out the first two picks.
Let me put up a table to make it a little easier to follow what I am doing.
| Round | DeCastro available | No DeCastro |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | DeCastro | Best pass rusher |
| 2 | Best pass rusher | G/C or CB |
| 3 | CB | CB or G/C |
| 4 | DL or LB | DL or LB |
| 5 | QB | QB |
| 6 | CB | CB |
| 7 | Defensive BPA | Defensive BPA |
If DeCastro is available, he is the number one pick. If he is not there, then the first round pick will be for the best pass rusher available. This could be a DT, DE or OLB, as long as he is high enough on the Cowboys board. What they take in the first or second round will drive the selection in round four.
Now, the second round follows from that. If the team got DeCastro in round one, then they should look for the best pass rusher left in the second round. If they didn't get Decastro, then they look for a guard/center or cornerback in round two. This is where BPA and need blur together a bit. A G/C would be the preferred choice here, but not if you have to reach past a good cornerback.
The third round is a cornerback, unless in the second column you went with one in round two. Then you go G/C here.
Now, the fourth round is based on what kind of pass rusher was picked in round one or two. If you got an OLB, you go DT/DE here. If you took a DT/DE, this round takes the best linebacker available. This can be an ILB or OLB, going with BPA here, if Anthony Spencer is still with the team. I would assume that if he has a new contract, it is because Rob Ryan has decided he is has value on the outside. If he is gone at this point, then OLB would probably be the priority here.
Fifth round is time to look for a developmental quarterback IF there is good value at this point, someone like Case Keenum out of Houston who has shown he can move the ball. If, however, the pickings at this point are slim, then the team should move to getting another cornerback. The same happens in the sixth round. If no QB looks good there, go best defensive BPA, and the seventh round just becomes a BPA choice, as far as the team can determine that late.
One caveat. The idea of BPA starts to get mushy as you get into the later rounds. This is to a certain extent a best guess. Sometimes, the team may get to the fifth or sixth round and see a player they think is a clear steal at that level, but more often, there are several players that an argument can be made for. Here, the needs of the team can drive the choice, but the staff should not reach or go for too much of a project.
My draft preferences are still for five defensive players and two offensive. This is without any idea of what free agents may have been signed to this point. That, of course, could totally change things if one or more of the team needs has been clearly answered. But without knowing this, those are my thoughts - today.
Tomorrow is another day, or so someone once said.
0 recs | 430 comments
Agree on DeCastro. He’s as close to a sure thing as you’re going to find at 14, and barring injury, 40% of your OL is set for the next decade.
JimmyK - January 20, 2012
OK, for the first time I'm now questioning taking DeCastro....
dunkman - January 20, 2012 via mobile
LOL
Terry - January 20, 2012
Any thoughts on drafting a safety?
I know the draft isn’t deep on safeties, but it’s still a need.
CowboyinExile - January 20, 2012
no clue how they attack the FS position but i'm sure they find a stop gap player next season
DCNation73 - January 20, 2012
I think we are better off with a free agent Safety since this draft class is weak on safeties
Antonio S - January 20, 2012
FA class is much worse
Rohpuri - January 20, 2012 via mobile
I just don't know that there is going to be one at the right place.
Maybe in the late rounds, but I am fairly pessimistic about fixing that problem this year.
O line, cornerback, D line – those can be fixed, so I focused on the most doable.
Tom Ryle - January 20, 2012
We should def look for a QB either in the draft or free agency.
McGee is not the answer, all he will ever be is a career back up.
Antonio S - January 20, 2012
i'm afraid he wont even be a good backup going into next season
DCNation73 - January 20, 2012
I was being nice
Antonio S - January 20, 2012
I read there are some good prospects that can be had in the later rounds.
DIRE WOLF - January 20, 2012
If, big IF, Kellen Moore is available in the 5th I would love that pick.
Dynamicduo - January 20, 2012 via mobile
I thought of him, too. Just didn't want to get into laundry lists.
Tom Ryle - January 20, 2012
Not that big of an if....
Kellen Moore will be a career back-up IMO. He’s a lot closer to Colt McCoy than Matthew Stafford. That’s the starting point of my assessment of any quarterback- does he look like an NFL passer when he spins it? The answer in my opinion is that Moore does not. If a quarterback does not have the arm there are just so many obstacles to overcome. The list of hugely productive college passers without the arm to make it in the NFL is far longer than the short list of quarterbacks that overcome it.
If I take a flyer on a developmental QB I don’t want a lack of physical tools to be a part of the obstacles hindering that development.
Linebacker22 - January 20, 2012 via mobile
I disagree with that, he doesn't have a rocket but I've seen him complete 50 yard bombs with pinpoint accuracy.
He reminds me more of drew brees than either of those other two. I could be wrong, but I think he’s def worth a 5th round pick.
Dynamicduo - January 20, 2012 via mobile
I agree about Kellen Moore
He’s very similar to Drew Brees. I’d put Russell Wilson in that category.
Rohpuri - January 20, 2012 via mobile
That's my point...
The only person people can compare him to is the most successful smaller armed QB on the planet. I was just pointing out that Brees is a list of one, while its far more likely he’s Danny Wuerffel than Drew Brees. System QB. Just my opinion which means nothing but I see Danny Wuerffel.
Linebacker22 - January 20, 2012 via mobile
Have you watched Kellen Moore in big games
He’s made every throw a QB has to make.
The Virginia Tech game he was throwing short, intermediate, and deep.
The Georgia game, he lit up their SEC defense. If he was chopped liver like Colt Brennan (Hawaii 2007) he’d have gotten lit up.
He played in a pro style offense as well, not some pure spread offense. The guy can make throws from under center as well.
The other thing about him the moment never gets big for him. He’s never rattled. I’m not saying he’s a first round pick, but I believe this guy can eventually become an NFL starting QB.
Tony Romo doesn’t have a cannon, I think Kellen Moore has a similar arm, as they both have quick releases.
Rohpuri - January 20, 2012 via mobile
He has talent, but he is really on the small side, both height and weight.
Do you know anything about his frame and if he can gain some serious muscle?
pfloyd1 - January 20, 2012
Here's height weight comparison
Drew Brees is 6ft 207, while Kellen Moore is 6ft 191.
Rohpuri - January 20, 2012 via mobile
For a QB that is small.
If he could bulk up to 210 lbs, he’s worth a look, but how many Drew Brees’ are there?
pfloyd1 - January 20, 2012
That very true, there's only 1 drew brees but I think Moore can make any pass on the field, and he has amazing accuracy.
I see him being a starter one day and at worse a solid back up. He is worth a 5th round pick IMO.
Dynamicduo - January 20, 2012 via mobile
i'd question what Boise had him listed
he looks more like 5’10 180 LBs IMO
DCNation73 - January 21, 2012
i think Moore is shorter then Brees & i want to see his true weight/height at the combine
its rare smaller QBs like Brees make it in the NFL & for every 1 Brees u have 1,000s of Wuerffel so if your going to take late round QB atleast make it one that has the measurables to play in the NFL
DCNation73 - January 21, 2012
My QB list is tall
Brock Osweiler from ASU. 6’8 240 surprisingly mobile and a lazer cannon arm. Middle of the 2nd would be great.
InkedKing - January 21, 2012 via Android app
i'm not against the DeCastro pick if theres nothing else worth getting
i put a bigger value on front 7 defense bc theres just not many 300+lb big guys who can get the job done.
DCNation73 - January 20, 2012
but not addressing the secondary until the third round?
if decastro and the best cb are still available, you still go decastro?
rockkicker - January 20, 2012
in a perfect world, we get a brandon carr type free agent, then decastro first round
i would be humbled…
rockkicker - January 20, 2012
Its tough
Lets say you have Kirkpatrick and DeCastro in your lap. CB is a desperate need but do you take the risk on Kirkpatrick to fill a huge need or do you take the very safe pick with DeCastro that still fills a need but not as big as CB. Personally I believe if this actually happens Jason would go with DeCastro to follow his RKG theme
Trueblue122 - January 20, 2012
I'd take DeCastro over Dre too. That would be a tough call though.
pfloyd1 - January 20, 2012
i doubt the "best" CB will be on the board at 14 so why even consider something that wont happen.
the top 2 CBs will probably be off the board by the 14th pick & even though i lke the Gimlore kid from South Carolina i dont think he’s nearly worth getting over the top OL in the draft.
DCNation73 - January 20, 2012
yeah Claiborne is a sure fire top 10 pick no question
Kirkpatrick might slide to 14 because of the weed issue. Considering Garrett’s adherence to this acquiring the RKGs, I doubt they select him either.
Terry - January 20, 2012
Dallas needs a safety in the draft
If DeCastro isn’t there at 14, I say take Mark Barron, then comeback in the second and take a G/C or CB.
Or, if DeCastro is there, take him, and then either take Markelle Martin in the 2nd Rd, or George Iloka in the 3rd Rd.
Any of the 3 safeties I mentioned are better than Abe Jag Elam.
Rohpuri - January 20, 2012 via mobile
Not sure Barron is worth a 14
Maybe the combines will change things.
Tom Ryle - January 20, 2012
Looking back at 2010
Didn’t the Cowboys target: Eric Berry (S), Earl Thomas (S), Mike Iupati (G), and Pouncey (G) as guys to possibly trade up for?
That leads me to believe they’ll have Barron as one of their targets, as he’s hands down the best safety in the draft.
Rohpuri - January 20, 2012 via mobile
Pouncey being Maurkice Pouncey
Rohpuri - January 20, 2012 via mobile
just because he's the best safety doesn't necessarily mean he is a top 15 or top 20 pick.
Thomas was targeted because he was a top talent and a position of need, as was Berry, Iupati and Pouncey.
Terry - January 20, 2012
That's the issue.
Do you trade down for the best safety if he is not a legit top 15 pick? Who do you pass up? I just think that at the 14 spot, there will be at least one player who is legit and who meets one of the other needs.
Tom Ryle - January 20, 2012
We'll have to wait and see at the combine
Let me just say, I’m not saying we should take Barron over DeCastro, I’m saying I’d consider him for the pick, and lean towards taking him at 14 if DeCastro was already taken.
Rohpuri - January 20, 2012 via mobile
Trading down to get Barron
Isn’t a bad idea. I’d do it, we’d get an extra second round pick in the process.
Again, only talking about Barron if DeCastro isn’t available.
Rohpuri - January 20, 2012 via mobile
You're exactly right Tom
Stay pat at 14 and draft the BPA at a position of need, thats the best strategy IMO.
Terry - January 20, 2012
Every draft somebody gets picked at 14
DE/OLB Robert Quinn (too early)
S Earl Thomas (very good safety)
S Malcolm Jenkins (first corner of his draft, too slow, moved to safety)
OT Chirs Williams (injury prone)
CB Darrelle Revis (first corner of his draft – all pro)
Mark Barron probalby isn’t going to be all pro, but he wouldn’t be a bad pick. I believe Ingram, Kirkpatrik and DeCastro have higher ceilings.
birdness - January 20, 2012
Agreed
and let me reiterate, I’m saying we should take Barron if DeCastro isn’t there.
Rohpuri - January 20, 2012 via mobile
Hate trading down early in draft.
I like trading up after round 1 if someone falls.
pfloyd1 - January 20, 2012
Well
Safety and Guard are positions of need. DeCastro and Barron ae the best players at their positions. DeCastro is a higher rated prospect, could go in the top 10. Mark Barron is a prospect who can go anywhere from 10-20. ESPN lists him as the 14th best prospect in the draft, while CBS/NFL Draft Scout ranks him at 18. It really wouldn’t be a reach to draft Barron at 14.
Rohpuri - January 20, 2012 via mobile
It wouldn't if the Cowboys had him on their board that high
Terry - January 20, 2012
Right now, the boards are kind of speculative.
This will make more sense after the combine and pro days – but it is still an inexact science. As I hinted, I am trying to provide a forum for discussion with a proposal for people to play off. And I am going to be interested to see if I come close at all after the draft.
Tom Ryle - January 20, 2012
Senior bowl in Bama next week, I'd go, but I've got too many teeth to cross the Bama state line.
DIRE WOLF - January 20, 2012
hahahahaahaaa dire loil
IRONRAVEN - January 20, 2012
WOW!
Rohpuri - January 20, 2012 via mobile
Ok, you get a rec for the laugh.
Rena - January 20, 2012
There's a waiver
if your family tree looks like a totem pole…
dunkman - January 20, 2012
nothing about Berry
but they said
Earl Thomas, Mike Iupati and Dez were the guys they would have traded up for
Archie Barberio - January 20, 2012
that's right
they had dez in that grouping as well
Rohpuri - January 20, 2012 via mobile
barron is miles away from being the player eric berry and earl thomas were at the time they came out
ratware - January 20, 2012
if they choose to go with Barron they will suredly move back in the draft and pick up picks
IRONRAVEN - January 20, 2012
Makes sense
Rohpuri - January 20, 2012 via mobile
yeah
but at some point, they gotta reach for a safety
if we took Barron at 14 I would give the pick an A- just because they finally got the best safety in the draft and we have a huge need there
with that being said, that doesnt mean I would necessarily take him there if other guys are available
Archie Barberio - January 20, 2012
Agreed that safety needs to be addressed...
It all depends on the cowboys board. If they have 5 players rated higher overall than Barron, then they’d be reaching to fill a crying need. Like you, Chia, I’d still be happy to see it but expect them to have enough options at 14 to stay true to the board. The draft class is just so terribly weak at S that I don’t see how they don’t sign at least one FA safety. Can’t put all your eggs in this drafts basket if the fallback is sensi and Elam on another 1 yr deal.
Linebacker22 - January 20, 2012 via mobile
yeah
S is just down in college and the pro’s
hard position to find great players at now
Archie Barberio - January 20, 2012
Seems like theres been a few recent draft days that have been light at safety
On the projection of next year does it look any better then the last few years?
Final Frame - January 20, 2012
The FA class is just as bad
Landry from Washington, he’ll want big money.
Brandon Merriweather, I like the U, but the guy is afraid to tackle. If the Bears and Patriots don’t want you, and you’re a former high pick, you must really suck. My lasting images of Merriweather: stomping on a dude during the mele at the Orange Bowl, getting dusted by Ray Rice on the 83 yard rd run in the 2009 playoffs, blatantly launching his helmet into Todd Heap, and Jahvid Best running circles on him @ Detroit.
Michael Griffin: too inconsistent for my blood.
Rohpuri - January 20, 2012 via mobile
I think there are a couple cheaper options
It just feels like we’re going to have to overpay either in FA money or in the draft to get a playmaking safety.
ary201 - January 20, 2012
I'd rather over pay for a young guy like Barron
Yeah maybe we miss a pass rusher, but we can get a guy in the 2nd Rd. Playmaking safeties are hard to find.
We get Barron and we can pencil him in long term.
Rohpuri - January 20, 2012 via mobile
Brandon Merriweather is a complete bust
I totally agree with you there
somebodyquiet - January 20, 2012
Chia, you should know better, shame on you
You never reach for any position in the early rounds, that will get you in a heap of trouble
Terry - January 20, 2012
+1
I agree, let the draft come to you. This isn’t a one year fix, we gotta think long term
somebodyquiet - January 20, 2012
i agree with you about Elam & dont care to see him on this roster next season
its bad enough having Soft Sensabaugh playing SS & adding another below average safety wont help much.
i’d take my chances in FA & Elam could be the back up to the back up plan bc i dont see any team jumping on him before the draft. see what Safeties come up in the draft & go after one if the value is there. just bc theres no Ed Reed doesn’t mean there isnt a good FS out this draft. some players with the RKMind can develope quickly
DCNation73 - January 20, 2012
Barron is a strong safety...
we need a free safety. take him and we are going to continue to struggle in coverage…
bad idea. all safeties aren’t created equal.
ivysafety39 - January 20, 2012
Safeties in today's NFL have to be interchangeable
They both have to cover and support the run equally as well so this idea of strong v free as two different kind of players isn’t as true as it used to be.
Terry - January 20, 2012
exactly
Rohpuri - January 20, 2012 via mobile
Thing to consider is how our divisional opponents are build
The birds have a running back terror and vick is a 2 man trap-him-to-catch-him job.
Gmen are receiver heavy so either man up or get pressure on the Qb
Skins…well who knows but if they are looking at Green Bay’s Flynn then cornerbacks seem to be the answer.
So do we say, what the heck let’s build our Offense so at least we can score some points, or do we build with an eye towards stopping their offenses?
LiveNDieBlue - January 20, 2012
i like where your head is at
i agree defense should be addressed, this offense with a healthy murray will be plenty, its the other side of the ball that needs to complement it.
and eff the giants, they’re mediocre for the first 2 downs then somehow always find someone 17 yards downfield, i despise it!
rockkicker - January 20, 2012
+1
when you see other succesful organizations putting more value on Defensive players it doesnt make sense to think this Dallas will look anything like the Patriots even with Nicks & DeCastro.
DCNation73 - January 20, 2012
With Nicks and DeCastro we would have a better offense than the Pats
Terry - January 20, 2012
Yes
pfloyd1 - January 20, 2012
I'd rather spend money on a FA C then Nicks.
The extra we save will go towards the D.
Smith DeCastro Myers Nagy/Arkin/Holland/Avg joe Free
thebigham - January 20, 2012
agree
Terry - January 20, 2012
i disagree & thats nothing against my Dallas Cowboys but
i dont ever see Romo being nowhere equal to Brady
DCNation73 - January 21, 2012
I see the Giants, and Eagles
And I say, damn, if we don’t improve our offensive line, I don’t care how good our defense is, Romo is gonna die back there and we’re sunk.
We need to improve the guard and center positions through draft and FA, as well as improving the defense.
We can’t ignore one for the other. We can fix both.
Rohpuri - January 20, 2012 via mobile
Skins have a great front 4 too
thebigham - January 20, 2012
This is excactly the price you pay for some bad drafts
damn I’d like a re-do on 2009….
dunkman - January 20, 2012
Right on,
last weekend convinced me once again that the game is won in the trenches. I was initially all for CB, but seeing the 9ers and Giants, together with the depth of CB in this draft, have me thinking exactly along the lines of Tom. Only difference is that I’d make sure to fill either G or C with a seasoned guy in FA.
Silverblue - January 20, 2012
Dalas needs more ILB's
So they can replace James and Brooking.
jrogersdal - January 20, 2012
Not at 14.
DIRE WOLF - January 20, 2012
and not with lee and carter
should be a low round depth pick at this point (injuries considered)
rockkicker - January 20, 2012
And don't forget UDFAs.
Looks like Orie Lemon may be part of the answer, so there is at least a chance we can get another decent quality backup there.
We only have seven picks (now), and could easily use at least 10 or 12 players to upgrade what we have. FA and UDFA will have to take up the slack.
Tom Ryle - January 20, 2012
i was excited to see Lemon make the PS last season & it should help having spent that year learning the game
he should be stronger & have to think way less
DCNation73 - January 20, 2012
I think that Lemona nad Albright both take big steps next year and Butler does
the same in the secondary
StrosSouth - January 20, 2012
Resign James
to a vet min contract.
He can provide leadership, he knows the playbook and he’d probably be the cheapest avail to step in immediately if needed.
Tyrone Jenkins - January 20, 2012
i think Brooking stays before James.
DCNation73 - January 21, 2012
Personally I say we FAgency steal someone's center (either Houston's or Green Bay"s)
and then we have 3 out of 5 positions on the line filled for a while and the we have guys who will get in the weight program this year and maybe we get lucky with 2 of them. If not then 4 out of 5 and use a back to help chip or a TE.
I wanted Cullen Jenkins last year because he pushed the pocket, is disruptive and he can play any of the positions along the line- giving the D-coordinator a lot of options. So I still would say find a good vet you know can plug it up. Then try to find at least 1 pretty good cornerback (which frees us to dump Newman and his big salary).
Then look at the freedom it gives us when we draft. That’s my take on it, and when 14 hits we can go Cb, C/G, De or trade back and try to get a lower 1st rounder and a high 2 (since the draft is suppose to be high on linemen and corners).
LiveNDieBlue - January 20, 2012
Seems the only significant change in GB's D was the loss of Jenkins.
That push up the middle made a world of difference.
pfloyd1 - January 20, 2012
Nice point!
Silverblue - January 20, 2012
Final 4 this Sunday..............
here we are talking about the draft again. That just burns my ass.
DIRE WOLF - January 20, 2012
I find Prep H helps.
Tom Ryle - January 20, 2012
The only cure is Dallas winning playoff games.
DIRE WOLF - January 20, 2012
But you need to soothe the pain until then - and another year is a long time to hurt.
Tom Ryle - January 20, 2012
Why can I just imagine this as a commercial during the playoffs?
Rena - January 20, 2012
+1
just think about the kids in college that havent seen this organization at the top. theres zero excuses for having the highest payroll in the NFL & only 1 playoff game.
stars come & go but the one on the side of that helmet is forver
DCNation73 - January 20, 2012
I agree!
I am in college and have been following the Cowboys since I was 6. I hope to one day see the Boys back on top :)
Dezisabeast88 - January 20, 2012
Not a very good analysis
simply because you can’t draft strictly by need, you have to look at your board and see who the BPA is in a position of need. To pigeon certain needs in certain rounds simply doesn’t work, especially when we have no idea what needs will be filled in FA. So even to do this exercise prior to FA is pointless IMO.
Also, DE is much more of a need than you seem to think. I like Hatcher and think he can be a player for us when healthy, bit the rest are JAGs, we need a dynamic player at that position and much more depth than we have currently on the roster.
Terry - January 20, 2012
thats why i love the idea of rat moving over
and drafting or signing a new NT
rockkicker - January 20, 2012
Cowboys DL have to be interchangeable
meaning in Ryan’s scheme, all the DL have to be able to play both NT and DE. I think the Cowboys will acquire more DL, but not to move Rat to DE, but to provide depth and a quality rotation.
Terry - January 20, 2012
Terry
It’s more important that a top 3-4 defense have an elite Plugger at NT. Our DEs will be better if we get a big space eater to collapse the pocket.
Rohpuri - January 20, 2012 via mobile
Not true in Ryan's scheme
He plays his DL all along the line. See my comment above.
Terry - January 20, 2012
you continue to show little understanding for variable working of football.
ivysafety39 - January 20, 2012
When you said
I imagined it in Igor Olshanky’s voice…
dunkman - January 20, 2012
I know it is pretty much just daydreaming.
But I tried to build in the BPA/need balance. Just think the team needs to address C/G, D line and CB in the first three rounds. I don’t see those problems being totally solved in FA.
Tom Ryle - January 20, 2012
I like your approach Tom.
We have many needs, BPA approach will automatically fill a need, except an ILB pick.
pfloyd1 - January 20, 2012
ILB is a need as well
maybe not as a starter, but if James and Brooking are both cut, we have nobody right now behind Lee and Carter.
Terry - January 20, 2012
counting on Carter to become a starter next season is a huge task to ask.
i expect Dallas to address the ILB position in FA. like finding someone to replace Lee if he gets hurt
DCNation73 - January 20, 2012
Not in the first Terry, we have greater needs.
pfloyd1 - January 20, 2012
I agree he isn't the best pick for us in the first
Just saying ILB is a need though
Terry - January 20, 2012
No question that depth is a concern.
pfloyd1 - January 20, 2012
i think the starting position opposite of Lee is in trouble
DCNation73 - January 21, 2012
Orie Lemon is an ILB, isn't he?
I think he will have a chance to be a good quality backup, at least. Still need another, but that may be a good area to address through UDFA. Get a young group in there that could be stable for years.
Tom Ryle - January 20, 2012
I'd be very uncomfortable with Lemon as my primary backup
Terry - January 20, 2012
I hear the team has gone
sour on Lemon….
dunkman - January 20, 2012
Waaah waaaah wahhhhhhh
He’ll be here all week folks. Try the veal.
Nickthegrip - January 20, 2012
accidental innuendo - January 21, 2012
perfect!
thebigham - January 21, 2012
not true, you take the best player and don't look back cmon.
You make schemes to fit your players not the other way around right? If we have 3 starting ILB I am sure they can find a way to utilize that.
thebigham - January 20, 2012
and i think by now we all know that if dallas drafts a ilb #1 .......
chia will jump off a bridge , so im getting the nets ready .. hahahaaaa
IRONRAVEN - January 20, 2012
They won't be solved totally in FA
and I’m sure these positions will be addressed in the draft early, however until we know what positions are addressed in FA, it’s impossible to predict how the draft will play out.
Terry - January 20, 2012
I see it is pointless enough that you are taking part
LiveNDieBlue - January 20, 2012
and Terry if you are talking to me, I do have DE in there
Likewise the whole BPA thing is great in theory….so a quarterback comes up at 14 do we go with your idea and select him cause he’s the best play available…. no, that is like saying in the future I need a tv so if a great deal comes alone I make my family go hungry because it was I was following the BPA plan. Theory guides reality, it is not reality
LiveNDieBlue - January 20, 2012
If RGIII is there ..yes I take a QB
DCfaninDSM - January 20, 2012
You Get an Amen for that.
It would be automatic for that QB..
I pray he doesn’t go to skinville.
1Bullseye - January 20, 2012
Yes, I'd hate it if the Skins actually had an Offense.
pfloyd1 - January 20, 2012
no you don't
Anyone who takes a qb in the first round in today’s NFL is looking to play them within the first two years, thats isn’t happening as long as Romo is here.
Terry - January 20, 2012
If RGIII is there at 14, something bad has happened. No way he drops out of the top 10 or really the top 5 unless something bad happens.
DIRE WOLF - January 20, 2012
well Romos deal is set up where Dallas can trade him & not be on the hook for all that contract
DCNation73 - January 20, 2012
Cowboys aren't going to trade Romo, thats just silly talk
Terry - January 20, 2012
they won't, but they have cap flexibility to do so if they have to
down the road.
I don’t want it to happen.
Rohpuri - January 20, 2012 via mobile
It won't happen, Romo will retire as a Cowboy
Terry - January 20, 2012
that would be nice
Rohpuri - January 20, 2012 via mobile
He'd better. I hate all the vicious attacks on Tony. If you compare bonehead plays of all starting QBs in this league,
Tony would be way ahead of many of the top QBs in this leagus. My God, Rivers always gets a total pass by the pundits of football.
pfloyd1 - January 20, 2012
And a few on BTB...
dunkman - January 20, 2012
If Andrew Luck falls, I draft him at 14
If RGIII falls to 14, I trade that pick for extra picks.
Rohpuri - January 20, 2012 via mobile
IF Luck Falls
I trade Romo…IF RG3 Falls I trade the pick
I am Ironman!!! - January 20, 2012
agreed
If RGIII falls, something has gone wrong with this guy, and I don’t want to be apart of it.
Rohpuri - January 20, 2012 via mobile
IF RG3 is around its because something is wrong with him.
and I would be trading our pick and picking up a 1 for next year.
ivysafety39 - January 20, 2012
yup
Rohpuri - January 20, 2012 via mobile
RG3 wouldn't get past the skins at 6
Antonio S - January 20, 2012
He's a top 5 lock
Terry - January 20, 2012
I think you're saying the same thing
If he either falls or the Skins take him…
dunkman - January 20, 2012
I wasn't talking to you, I was commenting about Tom's post
and regarding the BPA you need to read more carefully, I never said take the BPA at any position, I said take the BPA at a position of need, which is why we wouldn’t take a qb at 14 if he was the BPA.
Terry - January 20, 2012
If a qb was BPA at 14, I would have to think about that.
It could be a really good plan for the future of the team. Fortunately, I don’t think this is an issue this year.
Tom Ryle - January 20, 2012
Longhorn alum
but I wouldn’t be too heartbroken if Tannyhill was sitting there in round 5. I know it won’t happen because QBs are overdrafted, but I would glady trade out Tannyhill for Magee.
TexasGarcia37 - January 20, 2012
Only QBs with 1st round grades in this draft are Luck and RGIII,
Any one else a major reach.
pfloyd1 - January 20, 2012
You think they are the only 2 that will be taken in the 1st?
I don’t.
DIRE WOLF - January 20, 2012
Who Tannehill, I consider him a major reach for the first round.
pfloyd1 - January 20, 2012
With the injury, he is looking a lot more like 2nd/3rd, I would guess.
Tom Ryle - January 20, 2012
That's where I think he should go too, Tom.
pfloyd1 - January 20, 2012
true
but that doesn’t stop teams from overdrafting them. just look at last year. I expect there to be at least 3 QBs taken in the first round. A couple more in the second. Tannyhill’s injury will cost him the all star games and combine, but he will still have his pro day. He’ll be overdrafted as well.
TexasGarcia37 - January 20, 2012
not true, Tannehill is considered a first rounder by many analysts
Terry - January 20, 2012
So, you're saying take Tannehill at 14?
DIRE WOLF - January 20, 2012
haha i was waiting for that
Terry should just say what he thinks instead his BPA stratagy
DCNation73 - January 20, 2012
I always say what I think, you should know better
Terry - January 20, 2012
No, I'm not saying that at all
I’m saying he’s considered a first round talent by some analysts
Terry - January 20, 2012
If TAMU QB goes in the first rd like Ponder and Gabbert last year
Shake my freaking head, these teams love overpaying for JAGs.
Rohpuri - January 20, 2012 via mobile
Teams reach for qb more than any other position
because it’s the most important position, without a good one, you have no chance.
Terry - January 20, 2012
I know Terry, I know
We reached for Quincy Carter in the second rd of 2001 because we missed out on Drew Brees, and were desperate to get a QB.
Rohpuri - January 20, 2012 via mobile
Please do not draft a Texas A&M QB
Who is the best QB to come from there?? Gary Kubiak? McGee? Bucky Richardson?? They should be called Backup QB U
dcsince77 - January 20, 2012 via mobile
lol
Rohpuri - January 20, 2012
Which is it Terry?
Tannenhill is 1st rd pick by some analysts or many analysts?
Rohpuri - January 20, 2012 via mobile
does it matter?
Terry - January 20, 2012
there is a distinction
Rohpuri - January 20, 2012 via mobile
that's what people were saying last year and all these QBs got taken out of nowhere
somebodyquiet - January 20, 2012
I want no part of Tannyhill or whatever the hell his name is
Rohpuri - January 20, 2012 via mobile
His name is Tannehill.
TexasGarcia37 has been misspelling the names of Tannehill and McGee. My guess is that being a UT fan, he is doing it to poke fun at them, though, I could be wrong.
Grimlock83 - January 20, 2012
I don't want a TAMU project QB
We already have footsteps McGee.
Rohpuri - January 20, 2012 via mobile
I didn't we should draft him.
Grimlock83 - January 20, 2012
I know
I’m just saying one project from that podunk offens. is more than enough.
Rohpuri - January 20, 2012 via mobile
offense*
Rohpuri - January 20, 2012 via mobile
Actually, there offense was pretty good last year.
Their biggest problem last season was that they had a WR who dropped several balls (Fuller) and a defense that could defend against the pass to save their life. It was oddly reminiscent of watching a Dallas game.
Grimlock83 - January 20, 2012
Should be 'their offense' not 'there offense.'
Grimlock83 - January 20, 2012
I'm always hesitant about players who switch to QB
Rohpuri - January 20, 2012 via mobile
He was always listed as their back-up QB and practice as such.
Furthermore, he won his first 6 games he started at QB
Grimlock83 - January 20, 2012
Yeah, Fuller was banged up.
But watch that Swopes kid.
Also, they may have some serious O line talent coming out in a year or two.
Tom Ryle - January 20, 2012
Yeah, Fuller was banged up, but balls were hitting him in the hand.
I’m excited about Swope and the o-line. I’m also excited about Sean Porter and Damontre Moore. I believe they lead the Big 12 in sacks this year.
Grimlock83 - January 20, 2012
honest mistake
nothing more
TexasGarcia37 - January 20, 2012
In that case, I apologize for suggesting otherwise.
Grimlock83 - January 20, 2012
it's cool
If we had lost that last game in College Station this year, then you would have something. With the last win the series for a while, I’m feeling much more diplomatic towards the aggies.
TexasGarcia37 - January 20, 2012
Well, I'm glad you're gracious in victory.
Grimlock83 - January 20, 2012
A QB at 14 would stir the pot, that's for sure.
DIRE WOLF - January 20, 2012
I was not arguing for a Qb, I was debating the adherence to BPA vs. Drafting Your Needs
I see the value of both sides of the argument. I also see how the VAST majority of draftees either hardly ever play or don’t so that makes me tend towards… well we know we have a need and if most of the draft is a crapshoot anyways at least picking for need
when there is a clear oneis us putting our best hope forward.LiveNDieBlue - January 20, 2012
picking for strictly need will result in very bad drafts
Terry - January 20, 2012
you make it sound like a fact, which it is not
I am not advocating one Or the other as I indicated by saying I see value of both sides. Still when you say BPA in an area of Need…ultimately that is drafting for Need!
LiveNDieBlue - January 20, 2012
as will picking BPA, you need to balance the two
Seanrude - January 21, 2012
The only QB I would trip over myself to take in the 1st Rd
Andrew Luck
Rohpuri - January 20, 2012 via mobile
i think RGIII will be way better then people expect
i wouldn’t be surprised to see him gone in the top 5 to Cleveland or the Redskins. i think the Jags would have a hard time passing over a prospect even with there miserable shot last season with the Gabbert pick.
when the Redskins pass on a QB then there must be a huge problem with that person.& seeing how they didnt think about Gabbert told me alot about Shannahan thought.
DCNation73 - January 20, 2012
I don't hate RGIII
I just don’t like him as a top 10 pick.
That offense he ran was nothing like you see in the NFL, it’s going to take a few years to develop him. Contrast with Luck, he’s ready to start day 1.
Rohpuri - January 20, 2012 via mobile
He is extremely smart, he may not take to long to develop.
Rena - January 20, 2012
I would disagree
The Baylor offense reminded me a lot of the old Raider’s vertical passing offense. The only big difference is the under center aspect. I don’t think that will be too big an issue for Griffin.
TexasGarcia37 - January 20, 2012
Agreed
regarding Shannhan and Gabbert
Rohpuri - January 20, 2012 via mobile
I really think the Skins will go after Flynn in FA.
Tannehill in the top of the draft. I’d immediately call for a psych evaluation.
pfloyd1 - January 20, 2012
or the Phins
DIRE WOLF - January 20, 2012
Snyer will out bid the Phins.
pfloyd1 - January 20, 2012
LOL
Rohpuri - January 20, 2012 via mobile
Flynn made himself a ton of money in week 17.
Tom Ryle - January 20, 2012
he certainly did
Rohpuri - January 20, 2012 via mobile
No Doubt
Someone will pay the man
Antonio S - January 20, 2012
Don't know how the double post happened.
Tom Ryle - January 20, 2012
What ever they do I hope it's right,
because I’m tired of watching other teams playing late in January and Dallas sitting home.
DIRE WOLF - January 20, 2012
+1000000000000000000
rockkicker - January 20, 2012
i guess if i were JG i would look at the draft like this..
what player will make the quickest contribution to making the cowboys a sb team? understanding that not one player can do it alone, how does said player compliment the team enough that strides could be made. the offense’s weakness is absoultly the interior of the line, and with what looks to be a primere back and a great backup that need should be addressed quickly.
the defense has to play catch-up to the opposite unit because there are several gaps that need filling, including pass rushing and a pretty much revamped secondary.
my vote goes to decastro if available, but thats the only offensive player i take at 14
rockkicker - January 20, 2012
Agree
pfloyd1 - January 20, 2012
i think Dallas did enough damage last season picking a RT over a game changer at DE (Watt)
i really like DeCastro a lot & wouldn’t be as sour about them drafting him over a defensive player like last season with Smith over Watt.
elite players are hard to come by & finding another DE like Watt doesn’t happen very often. i’m sure if Tyron goes to a few pro bowls & becomes the top LT it wont sting as bad but as of now the Texans stole one heck of a football player. argubly the best player to come out of last years draft was Watt
DCNation73 - January 20, 2012
I wanted Watt as well
but after watching Tyron this season he certainly has a great chance to become just as good as Watt if not better.
Terry - January 20, 2012
You really think Smith hasn't been a game changer for us?
Go rewatch Colombo from the year before.
Rena - January 20, 2012
Yeah, I'm not going to criticize that choice
the only reason we’re talking about it is that we now see a team trying to make up for some bad drafts and it’s painful to have to watch those choices passes us by.
dunkman - January 20, 2012
They will both go to several pro bowls.
You don’t sweat a choice like that. You feel bad if you draft a bust or a jag and miss out on a great player.
Besides Coples has Watt -like Talent. I don’t think he has the vertical leap or the short shuttle but he runs a better 40. For (FAN IN THICK AND THIN) The overall talent is similar.
Jonathan Stern - January 22, 2012
Peter Konz, center, out of Wisconsin may enter that conversation.
Although I did hear a comment that he may have some injury or other health concern.
Tom Ryle - January 20, 2012
he had blood clot in his lung or something like that
Archie Barberio - January 20, 2012
Pulmonary embolism?
Odd for a young man. He may have a genetic defect that predisposes him to clots – hypercoagulable state. Treatment would be blood thinners. Hard to play football on coumadin.
Silverblue - January 20, 2012
Apparently, BirdDog said DeCastro has a condition that could threaten his career
Read that in the comments of 5Blings post, but can’t find anything about it.
Rohpuri - January 20, 2012 via mobile
I thought that was about Konz.
Tom Ryle - January 20, 2012
It was about Konz.
BD said that rumors were Konz has a medical condition that is life threatening and treatment could be career ending.
Rena - January 20, 2012
not rumors
he has had the condition and it is not something that can be cured. He is a medical risk and no way should be draft him
burmafrd1944 - January 21, 2012
at 14 is if
starmesh23 - January 20, 2012 via mobile
Whoops, i meant the only way I take Decastro at 14 is if
1. Mario Williams and a starter in the secondary is signed in free agency.
2. He is the BPA
3. If we decline to sign Nicks or another starting guard.
starmesh23 - January 20, 2012 via mobile
ok now all together.......
M A R I O isn;t comming to dallas to play olb in a 3-4 defense ,cause he cant cover te or fast backs and he doesnt want to play olb……..
if i hear this mario crap any more my head will explode and the walls around me will become smarter… ! loil
IRONRAVEN - January 20, 2012
You saying it like its fact
When its more of an assumption but you need to go take a breather man.
Sado44 - January 20, 2012 via mobile
besides it kinda creeps me out, is when inanimate objects began to take a life of their own and talk to me ......
while i sit in a padded room looking dumbed down and wondering why there’s no windows………
but then.. i havent located where those chirping bird sounds are coming from…….
and the chick with the weird Phillis Diller hair, is an entirely different story……
hands Tom his meds back……
BAAAD DREAMS ! lol
IRONRAVEN - January 20, 2012
Defense
If we have a shot at Kirkpatrick, Upshaw, of Barron we need to take advantage… Our defense could use 7 or 8 new players…. All 3 guys will be perennial pro bowlers
drobe86 - January 20, 2012 via mobile
I completely disagree with that statement there are always busts.
Kirkpatrick is a zone cb not a man to man and our blitz heavy D plays a decent bit of man to man. Upshaw had a good game in the NC but I’m still not convinced on him, and safety’s are hit or miss A LOT!!
Dynamicduo - January 20, 2012 via mobile
If all three of these guys were guaranteed perineal pro bowlers no one would have scored on Alabama all year
Dynamicduo - January 20, 2012 via mobile
Perennial*** lol
Dynamicduo - January 20, 2012 via mobile
Who's perineum? LOL
pfloyd1 - January 20, 2012
thats stupid.
Mr. Abe Froman - January 20, 2012
I was over exaggerating but you get the point.
These guys aren’t guaranteed pro bowlers, I can promise u that. Nothing’s guaranteed. They aren’t even guaranteed to be the best players at their positions in the draft besides the safety.
Dynamicduo - January 20, 2012 via mobile
yes. not even decastro is guaranteed, even though everyone has already proclaimed him a hall of famer
Mr. Abe Froman - January 20, 2012
That's true too he's not, but offensive linemen are by far the safest most sure fire picks
Dynamicduo - January 20, 2012 via mobile
Oh yea so safe
How’s Jason smith playing these days?
Russell okung?
Gabe carimi?
Andre smith?
lol@ sure thing these guys are bums…
OL is far from a sure thing…
drobe86 - January 20, 2012 via mobile
No one is sure fire but of the first round picks there are less busts on the offense and defensive lines than other positions.
But you’re right, no one is guaranteed to pan out.
Dynamicduo - January 20, 2012 via mobile
I don't understand
Most of the guys you listed are injury guys (not unsafe due to poor play). Injury safe is an impossibility regardless of position. And,
Russel Okung is pretty good – started 13 games before getting injured.
Tyrone Jenkins - January 20, 2012
What ceiling?
After yr 1 or 2 that’s pretty much it… Andre smith doesn’t have s ceiling. You think Jason smith is gonna wake up one day and be all world? Okung has reached his ceiling which is just ok… And carimi doesn’t even have a ceiling…
drobe86 - January 20, 2012 via mobile
Yeah drobe
I get your point but those are bad examples…
Tyrone Jenkins - January 21, 2012
Carimi was doing well before injury & Okung is a solid LT but has struggled with injury
2 out of your 4 examples still have a very high ceiling lol
DCNation73 - January 20, 2012
Carimi was doing good before he got injured
somebodyquiet - January 20, 2012
Carimi should not have been a first round pick , and I didn’t want him in a trade down but I think he will have successful NFL career.
He will not be a “bust”
Jonathan Stern - January 22, 2012
Check the stats
Bama didn’t give up a world of points… Their defense is better than ours right now… They run a 3-4, actually rush the passer, and don’t give up 300 passing yards every week… If we had their defense this yr we’d have made the playoffs… Spencer and tnew couldn’t have even started on bamas defense… Smh
drobe86 - January 20, 2012 via mobile
Do you actually believe that ignorant comment??
Lmao yeah bamas college defense is better than ours, your right!!!!!! I hope your joking
Dynamicduo - January 20, 2012 via mobile
You really think
Spencer is good which tells me you don’t watch him… Plug Upshaw in his spot and you get an immediate double digit sack guy with a motor… Anthony Is the softest linebacker in the NFL…. He’s a fringe Player on any Pther team
drobe86 - January 20, 2012 via mobile
Other
drobe86 - January 20, 2012 via mobile
Your name should have been dopey86
Hahaha yea Spencer stats say diffrent doesn’t it out him in top 10 in and top 5 on his side of the line.
Sado44 - January 20, 2012 via mobile
YeA
Spencer is a great Olb…. He gives you a whopping 5.5 sacks per year and that’s against 1 on 1… Generates few sacks, no pressure, sucks in coverage, no motor, nO heart…. Do I need to continue? You can act like he’s decent all you want, but turn on the tape he gets dominated week in and week out. I’ve never seen him make a play behind the line of scrimmage. I’ve seen Jacobs run him over… Wow are we watching the same player?
drobe86 - January 20, 2012 via mobile
You apparently see less than is actually there.
For a guy who is number 5 in the league right now for TFL stats taken from 2000-2011 he ranks number 5. This year lead all rolb in TFL so he does make plays behind the line there dopey. It understandable people want more from him and looking to replace is OK but be realistic here. You want sacks or you want the whole package. 6-8 sacks from rolb is about right.
Sado44 - January 20, 2012 via mobile
I don't think Upshaw is the sack artist you portray him to be
Terry - January 20, 2012
Upshaw is not that good.
Rohpuri - January 20, 2012 via mobile
Upshaw is good no doubt about that but is he worth replacing spencer for is the question here.
I’d like the upgrade just cause it has the potential to be an upgrade and if he can produce what Spencer does in TFL and tackles and atleast match his sack total then we didn’t loss anything but if he can’t then we are screwed. Its hard to say at this point in time.
Sado44 - January 20, 2012 via mobile
Upshaw appears to be Spencer 2.0.
Rena - January 20, 2012
Based on what
Upshaw has more moves than almost Anthony
Upshaw is bigger than Spencer
Upshaw is faster than Anthony
He plays with better leverage
He actually has a motor
He’s 10x smarter than Anthony
What about that says Upshaw is Spencer 2.0?
drobe86 - January 20, 2012 via mobile
I am not interested in watching days of film to try and count moves each does or doesn't use. But here are both's college scouting report #'s for height and weight. Spencer wins both. Speed has to wait for Upshaw's combine.
As for better leverage, motor and intelligence. All very subjective and impossible to prove when looking at college vs the pros.
Rena - January 20, 2012
When did I EVER say Spencer was good?? Never, spencer sucks
I think we should get an OLB in the first round IF decastro is gone. I just think Ingram is better than upshaw.
Dynamicduo - January 20, 2012 via mobile
Amazing the lack of objectivity...
Spencer does NOT suck. I repeat, he does NOT suck. He’s not Ware and he’s not Albright. He’s a solid run stopping DE playing the OLB position (he’s out of position).
He doesn’t produce in the manner THIS team wants him to, but he doesn’t suck by any means.
Tyrone Jenkins - January 21, 2012
not many people did score on Alabama so i dont know where your going with that
DCNation73 - January 20, 2012
Georgia southern scored 21 points on them, all before the 4th quarter
And besides arkansas name one legitimate offense that they played against. I’m not denying that they were good, but they weren’t Automatic all pro players.
Dynamicduo - January 20, 2012 via mobile
Yea
Ok the national champions have a defense with 4 first rounders on it but they aren’t any good…. Smh
drobe86 - January 20, 2012 via mobile
the overwhelming majority of SEC offenses are utter garbage
Rohpuri - January 20, 2012 via mobile
Why is that? You'd think they'd attract the top QBs as well as the TOP
D recruits.
pfloyd1 - January 20, 2012
Because most of the SEC teams play
Like they’re the 1970s Steelers, 1985 Bears, 2000 Ravens, and 2002 Bucs
Offense don’t do anything stupid, let the defense win the game.
Rohpuri - January 20, 2012
Did I day they weren't any good? No I said we shouldn't be selecting them for the hall of fame before they play a single down of pro football. They were very good, but Kirkpatrick isn't the best cb in the draft and upshaw probably isn't the best OLB.
They are def 1st round worthy but they aren’t automatic pro bowlers is all I said.
Dynamicduo - January 20, 2012 via mobile
7 of those 21 was a kick return.
and they run the triple option – the only time we saw an offense like that all year.
Mr. Abe Froman - January 21, 2012
dre has a lot more experience as a man-man cover corner than you think
upshaw had more than just one good game in the NC
agree on the safety position.
Mr. Abe Froman - January 20, 2012
That's why DeCastro should be the pick if he's there, if not BPA: Ingram, Perry, Brockers
all appear to have what it takes to improve the D. Dre or Upshaw would be good picks too, but I honestly prefer the other 3 by a narrow margin. I’m hoping Dre doesn’t slide, because we’d more likely get a shot at DeCastro.
pfloyd1 - January 20, 2012
agree on Ingram over Upshaw but i want to see the combine before booking that
DCNation73 - January 20, 2012
The guy (Ingram) is almost
280 lbs. He looks a lot more like a 4-3 DE than an 3-4 OLB.
jevans1729 - January 20, 2012
Id look for a DE over a linebacker
That’s just stupid to take a possible upgrade at linebacker than a definite upgrade on the line.
Sado44 - January 20, 2012 via mobile
I'm not saying that these guys aren't all very good, but nothing is garaunteed.
The most guaranteed pick at 14 (if available) is decastro, he won’t be a bust.
Dynamicduo - January 20, 2012 via mobile
+52
pfloyd1 - January 20, 2012
Judging by OCCs latest post
We could easily get a beast pass rusher in the 2nd while getting DeCastro in the first. Wow! A CB and C in FA and this team is ready to go!
thebigham - January 20, 2012
That's the spirit Big. I'm totally with you!!!!!!
pfloyd1 - January 20, 2012
just as long as there is a CB taken in the first three rounds
I will be happy. A ton of CB talent in the draft.
TexasGarcia37 - January 20, 2012
Be very surprised if we don't take a CB bt the third.
pfloyd1 - January 20, 2012
Wow, I am freaking excited. This team, full offseason, JG, Woicik, Dez, a new G/C/rusher/CB, scary!
thebigham - January 20, 2012
I totally agree, there should be a couple very good pass rushers still available in the second
Dynamicduo - January 20, 2012 via mobile
Good pass rushers
Don’t make it past the top 15… If we want them we better make it happen at 14
drobe86 - January 20, 2012 via mobile
Clay Matthews
Lamar Woodley, Ryan Kerrigan, Calais Campbell, Cliff Avril…
ary201 - January 20, 2012
Only
Clay Matthews in that group is an elite guy… The rest are just above average. Kerrigan is Spencer 2.0… Woodley is solid but not a double digit sack guy… Calais campbell plays the 5 technique and isn’t a double digit sack guy either… And cliff avril is just a guy… He’s a wide 9 player so the scheme makes him look better than he is… Ie Jason babin
drobe86 - January 21, 2012 via mobile
Name a 5 tech 3-4 DE that is a double
Digit sack guy. Come on man we need to upgrade our 3 down lineman atleast two spots and a 4-7 sack guy is good a nt that can get 2-4 and two ends that range from 4-6 is where we need to be. Be realistic man
Sado44 - January 21, 2012 via mobile
If you want a GREAT, GREAT pass rusher (15 SACKS A SEASON for 6 or more years ) then you might have to wait until 2014 .
But whatever the price is to get him it would be well worth it.
Jonathan Stern - January 22, 2012
Stop talking about your 2014 wet dream.
Its getting old. We have a draft coming up, live now.
Proxy406 - January 22, 2012
LOL
Jonathan Stern - January 22, 2012
+1
rockkicker - January 20, 2012
unforunatletly what OOC posts doesnt mean it'll happen
Mocks are fun but dont mean a lot imo
DCNation73 - January 20, 2012
yep, mocks are for pure entertainment value only
Terry - January 20, 2012
spot on Terry
thats why i wont even make a mock yet
Archie Barberio - January 20, 2012
Especially this early.
DIRE WOLF - January 20, 2012
it wasn't a mock.
Just production ratio of guys .
thebigham - January 20, 2012
I know bro
Archie Barberio - January 20, 2012
Kool aid all around!!!
Hey, if you can’t get all gushy optimistic now, when can you? Might as well enjoy the good feelings while you can.
Tom Ryle - January 20, 2012
haha exactly!
thebigham - January 20, 2012
Bruce Irvin in the 2nd round would be nice
Rohpuri - January 20, 2012 via mobile
That would be ideal. I'd have a huge problem though if both he and Jenkins were there when we pick.
I’d have to take Jenkins
pfloyd1 - January 20, 2012
1. CB
2. CB
3. CB
and so on
CMDR - January 20, 2012
All the talk about DeCastro at 14............
What the chances he get taken before 14? I saw a mock that him going to AZ at 13.
DIRE WOLF - January 20, 2012
Well you see all the stigmata about Guards aren't suppose to be taken that high.
There will always be some new faces flying up draft boards. Chances are very good he’s still there.
thebigham - January 20, 2012
Yeah I know about the OG and Center thing, but if he's that good other teams might very well make the leap.
DIRE WOLF - January 20, 2012
i agree 100%
if this kid is really the best Guard in draft history & a sure fire no bust pick then why would he last until 14th in the draft. only thing i can figure is Guards just arent valued that high
DCNation73 - January 20, 2012
Which is why I had one column for him being there, and one for him being gone.
Tom Ryle - January 20, 2012
I have seen him at 9.
Rena - January 20, 2012
from everything being reported
it sounds like the Cowboys are going to let Spencer test the free agent market
I would like to see us double dip at CB, come out with 2 CB’s within the first 4 picks
Archie Barberio - January 20, 2012
Somebody will over pay.
They always do.
DIRE WOLF - January 20, 2012
What if we get a CB in FA?
FA of course will clue us in on the direction they intend to go.
thebigham - January 20, 2012
if we get a CB in free agency I will be so happy
I really think they will
left cornerback was a problem all year
I dont want Grimes, Raf made a great point about him being 29, what happens when he turns 31 into a big contract?
Archie Barberio - January 20, 2012
Just like Newman
Antonio S - January 20, 2012
exactly
DCFanatic radio was good the other night, minus the first ten minutes of him bugging out lol but they talked about some real good stuff
Archie Barberio - January 20, 2012
its looking more and more like Finn.
thebigham - January 20, 2012
for the right price, I would love that
Archie Barberio - January 20, 2012
i never liked Grimes in Atl
DCNation73 - January 20, 2012
i like that as well
draft 2 and buy one as well
rockkicker - January 20, 2012
thats what I am thinking
just totally stock up and rebuild that position
Archie Barberio - January 20, 2012
What are you thinking?
Just so many ways we can go this year. I’m not sure which is right. 1st round decastro, cb, or OLB? All would help so much. I guess the easiest scenario to predict is if decastro is gone. But even then do we go cb or OLB?
Dynamicduo - January 20, 2012 via mobile
honestly idk yet
last year we kinda knew what we were gonna do, this year there are so many options man
Archie Barberio - January 20, 2012
thats why I havent done a Cowboys mock draft yet
there are like 3 different ways they could go
Archie Barberio - January 20, 2012
CB.
I’d say CB.
ary201 - January 20, 2012
But what cb?
Kirkpatrick is good but will JG want him with the drug bust? And Dennard at 14th is a reach when other BPA guys should be there.
Dynamicduo - January 20, 2012 via mobile
You asked:
And I said CB.
ary201 - January 20, 2012
I'd draft Jenkins if we went CB in the first. He's the best next to Claiborne and I think he's redeemed himself. I'd love to get him in round 2 if he slides.
pfloyd1 - January 20, 2012
He's my choice if we go cb in the first.
Dynamicduo - January 20, 2012 via mobile
If spencer does leave we have to get an OLB in the 1st or second?
Do we feel we can get a good enough OLB in the second? I think we could. But also will janoris Jenkins be available in the second? If he even is, would Garrett want him? So hard to know what these guys are thinking
Dynamicduo - January 20, 2012 via mobile
Thanks Tom for this post!
This way I don’t have to bore my co-workers with draft/FA talk all afternoon. I can crawl around in here with like minded football nerds. We don’t have to agree, but we’re equally passionate about the star!
On the OLB point the only one I’d want in the 1st is Ingram. The rest just feel too much like Spencer, set the edge well, not a plus pass rusher, limited explosiveness. That’s why I think a starter level pass rusher needs to be a FA priority along with center. I think they need two upgrades in FA, if not 3. Let corner and guard be sorted out in the draft where this one is deepest. That, and hope a safety is left on RR’s doorstep by the stork because I’m not convinced this draft or FA class is going to provide a starter.
Linebacker22 - January 20, 2012 via mobile
We are here to serve.
Tom Ryle - January 20, 2012
Good comments
I’m going to go out on a limb and say that Dallas is going to do little to nothing on S and upgrade the secondary at CB.
dunkman - January 20, 2012
I agree, not many choices available at safety this yr.
Dynamicduo - January 20, 2012 via mobile
2 CBs in
the first 4 rounds and we go after Nicks hard. We can scheme around the pass rush for a year because the Cowboys may end up franchising Spencer.
jevans1729 - January 20, 2012
No way
I don’t think they are going to be shelling out $8 mil for a year for Spencer when we can sign someone that can do as much for probably less and someone better for about the same amount.
Final Frame - January 20, 2012
This
Is the best post I’ve seen in awhile… People are talking about ol when we have only 1 cb that’s serviceable on the roster… In a passing league it’s sad that teams can just do whatever they want to our secondary
drobe86 - January 20, 2012 via mobile
To my understanding
Spencer wants to be with ware and the cowboys he will give a discount but wants his value set on the open market. Dallas will prolly sign him just cause the replacement for Spencer isn’t a proven talent. Other holes on the team seem to glare more than olb. Just what I have taken from recent conversations. Money is always the object in the NFL but the difference between great money shitty team and unknown and good money original team and well known is gonna make what happens happen.
Sado44 - January 20, 2012 via mobile
Think the boys will get a competitor pick for Bowen?
The Loco Llama - January 20, 2012 via mobile
maybe
its looking that way from what I hear
Archie Barberio - January 20, 2012
4th-5th?
DIRE WOLF - January 20, 2012
yeah somewhere in that range
but I am skeptical still because we signed Coleman and Elam, I think March is when the comp picks come out
Archie Barberio - January 20, 2012
Nice if it's a fourth.
pfloyd1 - January 20, 2012
Any extra picks, especially mid round, will be great.
Just another factor I don’t have an answer for now, but I refuse to be bogged down by my own lack of knowledge.
Many wonder why I never got into politics.
Tom Ryle - January 20, 2012
A fourth sounds so much better than a fifth.
pfloyd1 - January 20, 2012
Mr. Chia
will Irvin, the OLB from W. Virginia, be there at Dallas’s second round pick? I know there are questions on his ability to stop the run, but the dude can get after the QB.
TexasGarcia37 - January 20, 2012
idk if he lasts that long man
with a good combine, he will go in the first round or early second
i like Irvin a lot myself, strange things happen on draft day, maybe he falls and that would be great for us
Archie Barberio - January 20, 2012
first Gilmore now Irvin
None of my sleepers are sleeping. I’m afraid that Coleman, the QB from UT-Chat, will start to get pub now.
TexasGarcia37 - January 20, 2012
Is Goodwin coming out?
DIRE WOLF - January 20, 2012
Who is Goodwin?
TexasGarcia37 - January 20, 2012
UT WR
DIRE WOLF - January 20, 2012
No he's staying at Texas.
declaration deadline for underclassman has already passed
TexasGarcia37 - January 20, 2012
hey guys
doing a podcast 30 minute one on blogtalkradio.com at 3pm eastern today
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/chiacrack/2012/01/20/chiacrack-radio-episode-1-draft-talk
call in if you want
Archie Barberio - January 20, 2012
O sh!t, I got to get the popcorn ready.
DIRE WOLF - January 20, 2012
lol
Archie Barberio - January 20, 2012
IT'S SHOW TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DIRE WOLF - January 20, 2012
hour tomorrow
if i missed your call my bad, will get you on tomorrow
Archie Barberio - January 20, 2012
got signed in and heard a lil bit , looking foreward to catching you on )
IRONRAVEN - January 20, 2012
cool
Archie Barberio - January 20, 2012
do you have to wear makeup?
DIRE WOLF - January 20, 2012
hahahha
Archie Barberio - January 20, 2012
Very cool I am glad you are doing this
Trueblue122 - January 20, 2012
how was it?
just freestyled it, I am gonna actually write a show next time, setup properly
Archie Barberio - January 20, 2012
it was good, you keep it moving.
DIRE WOLF - January 20, 2012
no doubt
that will be the worst show ever
its the first one
expect much better stuff going forward
i gotta figure out how to get my callers on
Archie Barberio - January 20, 2012
Did you have a lot of calls?
DIRE WOLF - January 20, 2012
I think 2 or 3
idk how to get them on, i’ll figure it out though
Archie Barberio - January 20, 2012
loved it
You tell us the details and little things, and this is where everyone will need to go for their draft info needs
Trueblue122 - January 20, 2012
awesome
Archie Barberio - January 20, 2012
wish that wasa 800 number, have local phone only ( o ill have to type chat at ya lol
IRONRAVEN - January 20, 2012
I think when I upgrade its 800
Archie Barberio - January 20, 2012
far out that would be awsomnesss to the umpteenth degree lol )
IRONRAVEN - January 20, 2012
lol
Archie Barberio - January 20, 2012
You forgot a fairly large need
PUNTER!!!!
Fortunately, the Boys might be able to get one w/ a 5th or 6th round pick.
Tyrone Jenkins - January 20, 2012
Chris Jones was signed to a 3 years deal.
Bring in some UDFA for competition.
DIRE WOLF - January 20, 2012
Though another need is defn returner!
When was the last time the Cowboys had a threat back there ?
thebigham - January 20, 2012
WORD
Archie Barberio - January 20, 2012
The doctor gave me some big suppository..........
for all the good they’ve done me I could’ve stuck ’em up my ass.
DIRE WOLF - January 20, 2012
You can't figure draft with
torchindefenses - January 20, 2012 via mobile
if we were to say....
draft a FB, who would be some names we might take in the draft ?
IRONRAVEN - January 20, 2012
Hynoski
DIRE WOLF - January 20, 2012
i guess im just not sure how long we might have our current FB, what with his past probs and all
there’s another Hynoski besides the one the giants took last year ?
IRONRAVEN - January 20, 2012
Isnt
The raiders fb a free agent this year and from what I hear is one of the best proven fbs right now.
Sado44 - January 20, 2012 via mobile
FB would be at least the 5h round
torchindefenses - January 20, 2012 via mobile
This draft goes one of two ways for me
1st Rd. DeCastro 2nd Rd. BPA CB/Pass rush (don’t care wether it’s DL or LB).
or
1st Rd. BPA CB/pass rush 2nd Rd. BPA G/C
We need a FS but Markelle Martin in the second will be rated lower than a handful of corners that will be available.
Bermystar - January 20, 2012
You can't figure draft without the FA first
Mario Wiilams DE or Robert Mathis DE
These two are way better than anyone Dallas could draft in RD 1. Pay to get one of them
RD 1 – best G or CB
RD 2 – best OC
RD 3 – best G or CB whichever didn’t fill in RD1 or LB
torchindefenses - January 20, 2012 via mobile
I would be willing to give up almost anything to get Williams
Mathis has no place on this team way too small
Trueblue122 - January 20, 2012
not as an OLB
Terry - January 20, 2012
Isn't Williams going to cost an arm and a leg?
Antonio S - January 20, 2012
Pepper's type money I fear.
pfloyd1 - January 20, 2012
Agreed.
Peppers got six-year contract worth $91.5 million, with $42 million guaranteed. I just don’t see how we can fit that in. That’s a lot more than DWare who got a six-year, $78 million contract with $40 million guaranteed.
somebodyquiet - January 20, 2012
Where would Williams Play
he’s too big to play OLB and he doesn’t really fit the 3-4 DE scheme well (although he’d probably be better than Spears at rushing the passer).
Mario isn’t a fit in a 3-4…
Tyrone Jenkins - January 20, 2012
you would be able to find lots of places for him.
Line him up at both end spots and at OLB
move him around
if you got him you can play both 3-4 and the 4-3
Jonathan Stern - January 22, 2012
Mathis at OLB
would be interesting; a better Ellis
burmafrd1944 - January 21, 2012
The only disagreement I have
RD 1 – I still say best G or CB/ Pass rusher BPA, but now only LB not DE.
The CB’s are deep in this draft so if I had a rushing LB rated higher I’d go that route and the front 7 would be nasty. Then go CB in the second because the value is there. I can’t lie, after DeCastro Dre and Jenkins are my preferred voices, but if I knew I could get Ingram along with Ware, Rat, and Mario…that spells trouble
Bermystar - January 20, 2012
I dont think it spells anything but another up down season
If we leave our d line the way it is we can not expect much change in the pass rush we send 4 guys to rush the passer ware is the 4th I don’t think Williams will make a standout DE in the 3-4 rat at de makes sense but who replaces him and who backs who up we need a nt or a de one or the other before I’d say any olb would have success unless he is the 4th rusher and ware isn’t going anywhere so that isn’t gonna happen.
Sado44 - January 20, 2012 via mobile
My main issue
We have 3 needs that need to be addressed in the first and second rounds. What if we trade down a little bit (4 picks?) and pick up extra picks so we can get enough picks to fill our needs, and then go from there. It seems that every year we ignore a specific need and we always regret it, like OL in 10 and DB last year.
I want Kirkpatrick or Dennard or Barron, but I do think DeCastro is the safest pick to make. It’s hard to find O-lineman who are busts so there is little risk and a very very high reward.
soonercowboy14 - January 20, 2012
I don't know if anyone has posted this yet
But Nick Eatman tweeted earlier that the tackle switch “seems likely now.” So there is that.
TexasGarcia37 - January 20, 2012
That is so last year on BTB.
Tom Ryle - January 20, 2012
I'm very confident when I say
The Cowboys will not draft a FS early in this draft. The new secondary coach is very high on Elam. Dallas will ask both S back. Also Jerry has not drafted too many Olinemen in the first round, can I say Tyron Smih was the first?
torchindefenses - January 20, 2012 via mobile
Or
RD1 – Michael Brockers DE
Or Dre Kirkpatrick may fall to us now. Most teams dont look at smoking a little weed as character concerns.
RD2- Chase Minnifield CB
RD3 – Ben Jones C
torchindefenses - January 20, 2012 via mobile
My only problem with waiting until the 3rd to grab a CB is
you can’t expect a 3rd rounder to be a starter in this league right off the bat so if we don’t sign a FA CB, we’re still gonna be exposed at CB. Hopefully we can sign Terrell Thomas and draft a CB in the draft
somebodyquiet - January 20, 2012
hello BTB
Hey fellas. Been following this website for years… just never got truely despaired enough to comment until after the end of this past season. 41 yrs old, die-hard fan since age 3… blah blah blah. Anyway – love reading ya’lls comments & want to finally chime in here and there. OK. My chime here: watch the Cowboys take a punter in round 5 (+/- 1 round – maybe the compensation pick for Bowen). Unless we can find one in FA, we really need a quality punter. I realize we have tremendous needs around the horn, but this is a position I think we can ill aford to fill with the incumbant Jones.
camrin55 - January 20, 2012
Welcome!
Have a newbie rec!
And Chris Jones has actually performed quite well. And was given a 3 year contract. He will be our punter in 2012 if McBriar can’t be.
I hope we can find a returner / DB this year.
thebigham - January 20, 2012
Welcome
Rena - January 20, 2012
Welcome, and a newbie rec from me.
Tom Ryle - January 20, 2012
I've been on here a while but I don't know what a Rec is....or how to do it
LiveNDieBlue - January 20, 2012
Click the actions button, then click rec.
If you get four recs on a comment, it turns green and that way it draws attention.
On fanposts, three recs will move the post to the recommended section. It is just a way to show you like it and recognize the effort of the person who wrote it.
And don’t be afraid to ask questions. Almost everyone here is glad to help. And they were probably just like you at one time.
Tom Ryle - January 20, 2012
welcome and rec- camrin
IRONRAVEN - January 21, 2012
Punter?
Is that even a legit football position? GOD. I can’t believe that is my first post on this site. I’m so ashamed already.
camrin55 - January 20, 2012
Way too early for posting regrets.
Tom Ryle - January 20, 2012
Yeah, it's gets easier with time
the more you post, the less people pay attention and eventually you can say almost anything and not regret it. Once I thought RWII was going to work out, I thought Wade was fine and I had high hopes for Ogletree. All buried in the sands of time….
dunkman - January 20, 2012
*It gets*
but this too shall be forgotten….
dunkman - January 20, 2012
C
Ok. A much more legit position. I noticed Gurode wasn’t on the Ravens starting line (as a guard or anything). Is he hurt? Didn’t he just sign a 1-yr deal with them? Could we send him a bouquet of roses?!?!
camrin55 - January 20, 2012
He was a backup G for them. He started 5 games due to injury and sucked, badly.
Rena - January 20, 2012
Jason is planning something....
Just look at him…
Trueblue122 - January 20, 2012
Your first analysis was better.
We’re projected to start Jenkins, a couple of fifth round picks, and an undrafted FA in the secondary next year, none of whom have been that impressive, and you’re not drafting CB until the third round? Unless we sign a quality CB in free agency, you’d be pissing away the 2012 season. How many years are left in Romo’s window?
krl97a - January 20, 2012
Ratliff
I know it’s been discussed before, so forgive me if I’m creating bandwidth redundancy, but just to revisit the topic: is there, or will there be, serious discussion of moving Ratliff to DE?
In addition to perhaps increasing Rat’s longevity, this could perhaps be a creative way of addressing the pass rush, and perhaps reducing scrutiny of Anthony Spencer if the team decides to keep him around.
Maybe sprinkle in some extra Victor Butler, and you’ve improved the pass rush enough to justify focusing first on the secondary and/or O-Line in free agency/the draft.
Alan Smithee - January 20, 2012
+1
I’m hoping with this draft that he’s talking about we’d already have the NT situation settled. Hopefully Paul Soliai or something cuz not going NT till possibly the 7th round is not too smart. Ratliff needs to move to DE and we’d better have a replacement in the works or something.
CodeNamedG - January 21, 2012
kffl just posted a thing that Jason G. said we might switch to a 4-3
someone must have asked him about it and then made it sound like he was saying it.
I think having the flex to be able to do that from time to time is a good option.
LiveNDieBlue - January 20, 2012
He spoke about the fact that Rob uses a lot of 4-3 looks.
And that it was a possibility if the personnel suited it. I think Rob’s approach is not just pure 3-4, but to use whatever works.
Tom Ryle - January 20, 2012
If so...
I’d chalk seasons to come upto rebuilding for awhile…
CodeNamedG - January 21, 2012
Whenever you talk draft
you HAVE to include strategy. BPA, VORP, Need based . . . which is it?
I’ve always been an advocate of BPA at a bonafide need. In other words, you identify the teams greatest needs and then you draft the guy who’s the best available at one of those needs. Which brings me to team needs of which mine are slightly different. They are CB, FS, OLB, DE, G/C, ILB, QB, KR/PR, WR3, P and NT (of which the first 3 positions listed are DIRE needs).
As far as strategy goes, I want the DIRE needs met with higher picks but the specific prospect that is selected in the each of the 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounds depends on who’s available. One caviot: if DeCastro’s available, I consider him too talented to pass. But if it’s not him, then who is – Ingram? Quinn? Coples? Still?
My big board is (in order):
Luck, Kalil, Richardson, Griffin, Claiborne, Blackmon, DeCastro, Kuechly, Reiff, Ingram, Upshaw and Martin. Those are the ONLY guys I consider worthy of 14th overall pick – so if they’re all gone, then I trade down (yes, I have Barron and DreKirk as 2nd rounders but EARLY 2nd rounders). But, if any of the guys above are there at 14, then I take them; I consider all of them too talented to pass on (even Blackmon and Richardson which aren’t really positions of need). If not, then I trade down. The question is, how far.
The next group of guys on my big board are for a 15-25 overall pick selection. Depending on how far the trade down is will determine what additional pick will be added. Trading down anywhere to like 18th would mean an additional 5th or possibly 4th. 19-23rd could net an additional 3rd. I would accept nothing less an additional 2nd for a trade down to 24th or 25th. The big board for the next group is:
Coples, DreKirk, Janoris Jenkins, Dennard, Barron, Konz, Glenn, Poe, Perry, Floyd, Worthy and Mercilus.
Tyrone Jenkins - January 20, 2012
DeCastro? Really?
The BIGGER needs at this time are on the DEFENSIVE side of the ball! By swapping sides with Smith and Free they can make a LOT of headway towards shoring up the Oline. It WASN’T the OFFENSE that blew double digit leads! NOR, is there any NEED to draft a QB; McGee did as well as anyone could have expected from a THIRD STRING QB. Especially given what little blocking he got! Nor, will there be any shortage of F/A QB’s who can be brought in THROUGH THE SEASON IF NEEDED.
The first 3 rounds should be used on the defense whether they take a pass rusher or DB with the first pick. After that they can look for depth and take BPA. Oh, and after the pot bust Kirkpatrick could still be there in the 4th round!
Howleyesque - January 21, 2012
Oh Yes
And the “pass rusher” I’d TAKE with that first pick? MASSAQUOI from? TROY, He looks like he’s going to be the NEXT D. Ware!
Howleyesque - January 21, 2012
keeping Romo alive is the biggest need
so that makes DeCastro the obvious pick
burmafrd1944 - January 21, 2012
Yes DeCastro
There’s no guarantee that “swapping” Free and Smith produces any better results – there are still lots of great pass rushers on the left side (Kerrigan, Calais Campbell, Clay Matthews, etc.).
I do agree, the needs are primarily on the defensive side but fans just want the “best pass rusher that’s available” while ignoring the limitations of the people that are available. Each draft features some positions that are stacked – while others are just mediocre. Does anyone honestly see any game-changing pass rushers (LT, Matthews, Ware) types in this class? Are there any elite CBs beside Claiborne (and Jenkins who is a character risk)?
Tyrone Jenkins - January 21, 2012
you gotta go BPA.
And I hate the idea of taking a guard in the first round . But if he there and he checks out then you take him plug and play and just pretend that you didn’t have a first round choice.
With DeCastro you plug and play the need is gone he goes to the pro bowl every year .
I wish there was a BPA at another position but that is not in the cards this year.
Jonathan Stern - January 23, 2012
sort of Relevent to the discussion here
I was Looking around NFLDraftScout.com….as they have all the positions ranked individually….Here is what I found out:
According to Draft Scout
There are about 21 Players that are “solid 1st round Talent” and 17 that are “borderline 1st rounders” Here is the Breakdown by position(borderline 1st ):
SS-1(0)
FS-0(0)
CB-3(1)
OLB-2(1)
ILB-1(1)
DT-2(3)
DE-2(2)
OG-1(1)
0T-3(1)
C-1(0)
WR-2(2)
TE-0(2)
RB-1(1)
QB-2(2)
If this is Correct then There should be First round talent untill ~ pick #38… just something to keep in mind
I am Ironman!!! - January 21, 2012
Good stuff
thanks Iron
dunkman - January 21, 2012
np
I am Ironman!!! - January 21, 2012
Finally some statistical sense
Ironman- I have been preaching what you just posted, SO THANKS! The article stated that this is considered to be a deep CB draft. YES, DEEPLY AVERAGE! Very average. The prospects, other than Claiborne, all have some issue. I have heard a lot of Kirkpatrick banter and he lacks elite speed. I’m sorry but 4.49, that’s .001 from 4.5, IS NOT elite. IMO elite is 4.42-4.38 or better. All the rest of the CBs have similar issues. Either too slow or too small. Using Kirkpatrick again, he has elite size 6-1 195 and solid physicality. In comparison Janoris Jenkins is 5-10 185 4.46, with character concerns. To me, once again average. Sadly, he might have the best raw coverage skills of the bunch. The reason we have CB issues now is because this has been the pattern for several years. As Ironman pointed out, 21 solid 1st rds, then 17 borderline. Ratings don’t rate, say 1-9 then go to 37th. Point is 10-36 might be overrated. Picking 14th is prime bust territory, unless a bluechip falls in your lap. I’m for moving down unless the bluechip falls. Give me an extra 2nd or 3rd. Picking 22th to 32th is fine with me. Say someone like Dontari Poe at 27th. Then come back with 2CBs in the 2nd and 3rd, with gained picks from moving down. No QB to develop please in any round. BTW, Kellen Moore will NEVER play in the NFL.
I’M going on record here and now for not being sold on DeCastro as being the player he is hyped to be.
faniva - January 21, 2012
just to be clear Faniva
those time at Draft scout are merely estimates….Example they had Prince, who ran a 4.3 at the combine last year, estimated at 4.5…..
I am Ironman!!! - January 21, 2012
No one has had a single knock on DeCastro that I have been able to find
usually there is something.
Oh and PFF said Spencer rushed the passer 403 times and ware 477 times in 2011
So that is BS about Spencer rushing the passer a lot less. So he does suck rushing the passer.
One thing also guys
No way Jerruh wants anything to do with even a POSSIBLE drug guy after Hurd so recently
burmafrd1944 - January 21, 2012
Which Means Dre Kirkpatrick
Is DEFINITELY “off the radar”. (Besides, how stupid can you be; to get busted for pot with the draft coming up?)
Howleyesque - January 22, 2012
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