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Dallas Cowboys Free Agents

Everyone here at BTB is excited by the prospect of what players the Dallas Cowboys will be able to add to the roster this offseason. The draft is of course the number one topic for speculation, but with the large number of positions needing an upgrade, it seems likely that the team will also be turning to free agency to shore up the talent level.

But free agency is a two way street. Dallas has thirteen Unrestricted Free Agents on the roster right now, plus three Restricted Free Agents and four Exclusive Rights Free Agents. Some of these are like the clown in the USPS commercial - they have to go. A few are players the team needs to find a way to keep. And some are not so certain either way.

My understanding is that the team has to have a contract with a player to have them attend the offseason training, so the question is not whether or not these players are definitely going to be on the team in September, but whether they are considered as valid candidates to compete for those final roster spots. I thought I would put up the list for you to see, and make an attempt to figure out who should stay and who should go.

This is closely related to the post I did on the First Cuts for the Cowboys a couple of weeks ago, but it comes at the problem from a somewhat different angle. My conclusions may not seem totally consistent, which I do not apologize for. I frequently revise my opinions in the hopes I am getting smarter.

The lists, definitions, and opinions all after the jump. But you knew that.

Star-divide

The list is from the mothership player roster (just in case you are new here, that would be the Dallas Cowboys official website). I have included the 2011 salary for players when available, except for a couple of players where the 2012 salary is already negotiated despite their free agent status. For those that I could not find a salary number on, I have put the 2011 NFL minimum for them, although that may not be the actual figure they signed for. There are some inconsistencies I cannot figure out, where the figures for the 2011 salary I came up with seem to be less than the NFL minimum, but I am still putting the numbers in to give some idea of what a new contract might cost the team. Also, the minimums shown for 2011 will go up regardless in 2012, and some players will move to the next seniority step, but I just wanted to keep the comparison simple.

A brief definition of the three kinds of free agents the team is dealing with (if you want a more detailed explanation, you can check it out here). The Unrestricted Free Agent is just that. They can negotiate with any team they want, and accept whatever offer they choose. The Restricted Free Agent is a three-year veteran with an expired contract. If their old team makes a qualifying offer, they have a limited time to find a better one, and the team can still match it and retain the player. The Exclusive Rights Free Agent is a bit of a misnomer, since the team has all the power here. If the team makes these players with less than three years in the league a minimum qualifying offer, they can accept it, or sit out the season. They cannot sign with another team.

Got it? OK, let's run down the Dallas roster.

Unrestricted Free Agents

Alan Ball CB. The most glaring issue for the Cowboys in 2011 was the secondary. Stephen Jones has made comments since the end of the season that the team's top two priorities are the secondary and the offensive line (which, in interests of full disclosure, alters my conclusions that I wrote about Dallas's draft needs), which is a good thing. It seems fairly obvious to most, including me, that Ball is just not able to be an effective cornerback and the team needs some new blood here. I would say to let him try his luck elsewhere. Now, if I was really unsure I could find an upgrade through the draft or free agency, and if I could get a real bargain as far as his salary (like in a pay cut), and if you held a gun to my dog's head, I might be willing to make an offer to him to have a last ditch fall back. If my dog hasn't peed in the house lately. (2011 salary $1,200,000)

Martellus Bennett TE. How valuable is MartyB as a blocker? That is basically going to determine the course of action here. Now, one handicap I have in this is that I really don't know what the coaches see with him, and I also don't know whether he is so seldom a target for passes because he is a bad receiver, or because he is on the same team as future Canton enshrinee and Tony-Romo-security-blanket Jason Witten. One thing to consider is that he is very cheap. The team can lowball him a bit, and then see if anyone else bites. If they do, then it becomes a matter of whether they think he is worth more than the Cowboys do. This one may come down to pure economics. But I would not be surprised to see him come back to Dallas on a fairly inexpensive two or three year deal. (2011 salary $550,000)

Keith Brooking LB. I am hoping for the Kitna solution here (see below). Keith gave the Cowboys a couple of good years, but that tank is pretty empty now. The odds of the team being able to find a better answer at ILB than him are roughly the same as whether there will be negative ads used in the political campaigns this year. I have absolutely no hard feelings for him, just cannot bear seeing receivers blow past him any more. Especially for anything like what he cost the team last year. (2011 salary $2,200,000)

Derrick Dockery G. The offensive line is a close second to the secondary for the part of the team needing the most attention. However, unlike in the secondary, the play of the free agents involved was not terrible, just not quite good enough, and also was affected by injury. Here is a case where I would offer the minimum or close to it, and if he can find more money to go elsewhere, let him walk away. Otherwise, let him battle it out for a roster spot. (2011 minimum for him $810,000)

Abram Elam S. Is it right to offer a contract to someone so they can help teach the person you hope will take their roster spot? This would be an important moral question in many places, but we are talking about the NFL here where human beings are most decidedly expendable resources. This is exactly the approach I would take with Elam, and I would be fairly up front about it since he is a veteran who might choose to retire or go try his luck somewhere else. And given the comparative scarcity of safety talent out there, he might just keep his spot with some luck and hard work. (2011 salary $1,800,000)

Montrae Holland G. Lumpy's situation is pretty much identical to Dockery's, since he was cut and then re-signed. He even has the same year's experience. I will say that if he works hard at controlling the weight and conditioning, he would have me rooting for him to win out over Dockery, if it came down to the two of them. I would like to see better players take both spots - but then it really has to be decided by performance. (2011 minimum $810,000)

Bradie James LB. It's interesting how there are four pairs of players who play the same position on these lists where they should most likely handled the same way, because their value (or lack of it) is so similar. Just like Dockery and Holland, Brooking and James are both somewhat interchangeable, at least as far as the needs of the Cowboys are concerned. Bradie might be able to catch on with another team, but I just think he has seen his last season with the Cowboys, and will probably not be offered a contract. (2011 salary $3,500,000)

Jon Kitna QB. Now a moot point. Enjoy your retirement in Seattle, Jon, and I hope your memories of Dallas are good. (2012 salary would be $3,100,000)

Mat McBriar P. His drop foot came at a horrible time for him personally, because everything I have seen indicates that you often never really recover from it. Part of the problem is that it is usually a symptom of other diseases, and the list of possible causes is scary, including ALS (Lou Gherig's disease), multiple dystrophy, and multiple sclerosis. Short of a complete diagnosis and clean bill of health going forward, I would not be interested in bringing him back. (2011 salary $1,700,000)

Sammy Morris RB. He was always just a stop-gap. Running backs are one of the easiest positions to fill, with more competent backs coming out of the college ranks than teams can find positions for. Thank you, and goodbye. (2011 minimum $910,000)

Laurent Robinson WR. The only player on the list so far that is a definite keeper. I want him to stay in Dallas. He wants to stay in Dallas. Tony Romo surely wants him to stay in Dallas. Stephen Jones has said the team can find a way to pay him to stay in Dallas. And he has stated that money is not the chief concern, which is making everyone but his agent giddy with joy. (2011 minimum $685,000)

Anthony Spencer LB. Almost Anthony is another controversial figure here. Is he a bad pass rusher, or very good at the role the team wants him to fill? Once, I had thought that the team needed to bring in another pass rushing OLB (see the draft post I mentioned above), but now I am thinking that the team needs to generate the needed additional pressure from the defensive line, especially after watching the way Aaron Rodgers was having his interior linemen pushed back in his face against the New York Giants. This is one place where, in addition to looking for someone to draft or sign to help here, the team may be able to grow their own as Sean Lissemore seems to be maturing into a stronger rusher, and Jason Hatcher looks good at times. So that leads to the question of whether the team keeps Anthony to do the things he does well, and at what price? He is a pretty decent bargain now. Again, I think his fate is going to be determined by what he might get from another team. Make him an affordable offer, but don't up it much to keep him. (2011 salary $1,001,000)

Frank Walker CB. This is the third matched pair on the list, with Alan Ball as the other half. After a good start with the team, Walker seemed to fall off the table. Throw in his age, and this seems like someone that just no longer has a role with the team. (2011 minimum $810,000)

Restricted Free Agents

Tony Fiammetta FB. The second definite keeper on the list, and not likely to be someone who would have his price bid up. He, like Kitna, already has a 2012 salary negotiated, so I am assuming that is the salary some other team would have to top to trigger a decision by Dallas whether or not it would match. Fortunately, fullback is not one of the high demand positions in the league. (2012 salary would be $565,000)

Chris Greisen QB. When you are talking about the roster, backup quarterback is just a strange thing. The team has seen over the past couple of seasons that it has to have three signal callers on the roster, and Chris is number three right now. I figure he gets a contract offer and gets a chance to prove himself in camp. (2011 minimum $600,000)

Kevin Ogletree WR. It is time to free the Tree. Let him go seek his fortune elsewhere, because wide receiver is the one position where I think the team can find a better option with what they have right now. Jesse Holley is more valuable already, Raymond Radway almost had a roster spot before his injury, and Dwayne Harris and Andre Holmes both will probably have a better shot at making the team than Kevin. (2011 salary $480,000)

Exclusive Rights Free Agents

Clifton Geathers DE. I don't have much opinion here. He's cheap, and may be someone who will blossom in the off season. I think the team offers him a minimum contract, since they have all the power here. (2011 salary $405,000)

Jesse Holley WR. A special team ace who showed some good hands in his limited chances running pass routes, and getting the minimum. I actually think he has earned a two year deal a few dollars over the minimum with a little bonus thrown in. I just like him, because he just keeps giving it all he has, and he does a good job when he's out there. Besides, you have to love his story. (2011 salary $385,000)

Jermey Parnell T. A bit of a pet cat of mine. The word is that he has fantastic physical skills and just needs to learn how to play the position. With Bill Callahan coming in, this may be the perfect situation for him. Definitely worth a minimal offer this year, since that is all the team has to put up. (2011 minimum $525,000)

Chauncey Washington RB. The last of the paired players. If I am not going to offer Sammy Morris a contract, I don't see giving Chauncey one, either. I am banking a bit on both DeMarco Murray and Phillip Tanner being back, but there are also the college RBs that will be looking to sign as UDFAs after the draft. (NFL minimum $600,000)

I tried to look at this from both what the players bring to the team, and what the economic impact is. I also got to playing around with the dollars that these people cost the team under the salary cap. Based on who I want to keep and who I want to let go, and also assuming that the iffy cases like Bennett and Spencer get offers the Cowboys are not willing to top, I see Ball, Bennett, Brooking, Elam, James, Kitna, McBriar, Spencer, and Holland all being gone (along with some others who have little cap impact). Just those listed names counted as $20,367,000 in cap hits last year. And as free agents, that should mean the team is pretty much done with obligations.

So who could the team sign with that freed up money, I wonder?

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Comments

IMO, the UFAs to keep if the price is right keep

Robinson, Spencer, Lumpy

Carl Nicks ......

I want him in Silver and Blue.

The only guys I want from this list are Fiammetta, Robinson, Elam, Holley and maybe Lumpy (if they don’t sign another G).

Elam sucked, no ints, no batted passes.
+1

dude has zero playmaking ability & i really hope Rob Ryan can find better then him. resigning Sensabaugh a surprise but if you dont have any legit depth in house its hard to let everyone go. hopefully they find a better SS & move Sensa to FS

And

The uggliest missed tackle this year on our last game against Bradshaw… Only compared to the ole ( bull fight style ) miss by Jenkins two years ago.

Agreed that Elam didn't really make any plays.

but when the other team has Ball and Brooking and James and Newman to pick on, why take chances where you might not win the matchup. I wonder how many plays were made against him, because I don’t really remember seeing him much at all. Not good, but again, better than Ball, Newman, etc….

completely

agree with regard to Nicks. He is exactly what we need. Young (26), huge and can move. The interior pockets for Tony were non-existent so he rarely could step into his throws. Our O will be lights out with a dominant O line and Nicks is the first piece to that IMO.

Saints do need to resign Brees

so this is a possibility but he is going to be very expensive…if we do get him do we get rid of Kosier and draft DeCastro making this OL one of the youngest and most talented in recent history?? hmmmm

Why are you talking about Brees?
Because he will take a big bite out of the Saints cap room.
Saints also need

to sign Colston, Meacham, and Tracy Porter along with Nicks and Brees. This bodes well for us to resign Laurent Robinson since Meacham and Colston are both on the market. If we sign Nicks, we wait on the draft and get the corner we need so badly.

I believe Callahan coached Nicks in College

So that probably improves the odds of the Boys getting him now….

ONE REASON NOT TOO

BECAUSE HE IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE WE GOT A BETTER CHANCE AT PEYTON MANNING! WHY WOULD BREES LEAVE WITH ALL THE TALENT THERE IN NEW ORLEAN!

We arent going after Brees. He was talking about how much cap room the Saints will have

because they have to sign Brees and that they probably wont be able to sign bothe Brees AND Nicks to giant contracts.

Nicks or DeCastro

We have some young guys playing guard on the roster that may be able to play next year.

(Imagine however… Nicks AND DeCastro)

UFA

I would attempt to bring back Holland, Robinson, Morris that’s it. Holland has showed he can be a starting LG. Robinson is a no brainer, but Im not sure we will offer him enough to stay on with the team. Move on from Spencer and find a stud OLB in the draft or FA like Mario Williams. If we can get Elam for another one year deal I wouldnt be against that. Ball is a good ST guy so that would be another I wouldnt rule out.

Morris is old, they need young RBs at #3
Yeah, but I like his game

I can see why the Patriots liked him alot

progress stopper
true

Not sure what he have in Tanner though

Tanner will be alright.

He just needs to get on the field.

Tanner looked darned good to me,

no way we keep Morris – it’s a young man’s position.

I would keep Morris through camp.

At that point, he isn’t a progress stopper. He is a take my job if you think you canner.

RBs are a dime a dozen

keep him for league minimum if not shake his hand and move on

league mini for him is a lot.
Yeah

Just look up there. It’ll be nearly a million dollars. I would much rather have another mil to throw at a FA CB or OG.

And all the league minimums go up $15K per season.
Tanner canner
Tanner hasn't done anything wrong to get cut.

He played very well in the pre-season and ran hard when he got into games. He only had 22 carries and got 5 first downs. I like the guy, looks like Robert Newhouse the way he runs (For you young fella’s he played for the Cowboys back in the 70’s).

Props for the Newhouse ref!

Man was a beast – his thighs were bigger around than his waist, and he would crush people at the line.

+1

Newhouse was our generation’s Barber, only without the injuries.

or that stupid stutter step Barber does
or the celebrations for 1 yard gains...
I like Morris too

But he’s pretty expensive for a veteran 3rd RB.

+1

find a #3 RB in the mold of a D.Sproles. i would love to get L.James or David Wilson with that burst of speed & lateral quickness makes them dangerous in space. it also gives you threat in returning kickoffs & scoring TDs on special teams count just as much as the ones on offense. this team hasn’t had a legit kickoff or punt returner in awhile.

Dez is, but the team can't keep enough healthy WRs to use him consistently.
Carl Nicks and Laron Landry

Even though I think Landry is overrated, he’ll definitely be an upgrade to Elam and give us some play making ability in the secondary.

Nicks is going to cost alot of money

As it is we may only be able to sign one quality FA. So the question is who you want…Robinson or Nicks? cant have them both more than likely.

or do u go

Nicks and draft upshaw…….resign Robinson…..stay with me now….and TRADE Miles Austin and get DeCastro as well in the draft?? pretty sure we can get a 1st for Miles

Not so sure you could get a 1st for Miles

WR’s haven’t been going for a 1st as of late. Jerry tought the rest of the league a lesson on that.

the only way that scenario plays out is

if you trade away the whole draft to get DeCastro, at best Miles will bring a 2 and 4. To get back high enough in the first to draft DeCastro you would probably have to package two 2’s a 3 and possibly a 4.

Now you have UpShaw and Ware as your OLB’s, DeCastro and Nicks as your G’s, and Robinson and Bryant as your WR’s.

No second round picks, no third round pick so you are only getting two impact players through the draft (albeit potential major impact players).

Oline is now a potential strength, but you have a hole at your #3 WR spot and two receivers who haven’t proven to be true #1’s yet.

Not sure if this makes the team as a whole better.

i think a legit Center would be better then a Guard.

i understand people really love this DeCastro kid for good reasons but Dallas doesn’t have the luxary of drafting a Guard with the 14th pick.
i think any position on defense is more important then OL in the 1st round but thats just my opinion.

I like the idea of a center better

Tron, Nagy, Rookie, Holland?, Free

Nagy didn’t do badly give him time to develop along with Arkin and you might have something.

Too risky for Tony

Thank God, though, that Stephen recognizes the real priorities of this team, OL and DBs.

Well, if you get DeCastro and Nagy pans out

would that not help Costa or Kowalski, having two good guards flanking him?

Landry hasn't been healthy in years

No thank you. Safeties who are continually banged up usually tend to stay that way (ie Bob Sanders).

Plus he had a major injury at the end of the season.
I love it...

If you can get Nicks at a reasonable price (even if it’s toward the high side), he’s a Pro-Bowler for the next 6-7 years at a minimum. We get a road-grader and a more physical presence to help protect Tony.

Re Landry, if he’s healthy, welcome back Roy Williams and that intimidation factor at safety.

I think

we need a new infusion of talent. I’d only try to keep Robinson and Fiammeta.

Anyone know what Dez did..

Just caught wind he was in trouble? There is even talk he may hold out for a new contract

New contract? Not a chance.

There is a fan shot about the incident. Nothing to it though.

I hated Dez go with that snake Rosenhaus, nothing good can come of it.
Dez "allegedly" got into a fight in a Miami club

so far it is not confirmed and might just be rumors

There will be no holdout for Dez

Under the CBA he cannot renegotiate his contract till after his 3rd season.

yeah

Because he dumped his agent and knowing Rodinson may get his from the team

I'm assuming all of the Restricted and Exclusive Rights Free Agents will be back

atleast back at camp anyways.

The only UFA’s that I want back are Holland (as a backup), Robinson, and maybe McBriar if his foot heels properly.

They gave the rookie kicker a 3 year dear, Mcbriar is history.
*deal not dear
Futures contract doesnt really mean anything though.
I would think he got a signing bonus, why sign him and pay McBriar?

McBrair is 32, it’s time to move along.

I wasn't impressed with Jones

at all. I hope they bring someone else in if they don’t resign McBriar.

i think Jones had different strengths than McBriar

Matt had one of the strongest legs in the league until recently. If his drop foot remains an issue he’s done. Too much to pay him for the risk of reinjuring his foot and costing this team to sit him on the bench.

I have to disagree with you about Jones. He didn’t have Matts leg strength but he did seem to be better at placement inside the 20. His kicks had a tendency to land and bounce to the sidelines instead of towards the endzone. Personally I think the ability to consistently pin your opponent inside the 20 is better than being able to boot it 70 yards and risk a long return becuz you flipped field position but outkicked your coverage.

Im not saying that they arent moving on but a futures contract is not a gauranteed

roster spot. Thats all im saying.

I think Holland is a starter....draft or get a FA to play RG
Alan Ball really made $1.2mm?

I didnt much care for him before but man, now im just jealous!! I wish I could slack like him in my job and still get paid.. Granted my salary is not even comparible!!

I’d pull all the strings I could for Robinson.. Give Fiammetta an extension/raise… Target Lumpy on the cheap.. Also Holley, he would be cheap and he is a ST ace..

Yeah I saw Ball's salary and just slammed my head into my desk

The NFL needs a clause where a team can make the PLAYER pay THEM when a guys plays that badly. Or maybe all the opposing QBs who padded their QBR on his back can chip in to pay his salary… Holy crap.

I was waiting for this reaction.

Kinda hurt, didn’t it? (The thought of the contract, not the slamming the head.)

It's crazy

I don’t slam a lot of players because I respect how hard it is to compete at that level, but Ball seem to be involved in every bad defensive play I saw. He’s a QB’s best friend.

Newman made a run for that title.

Close call on the winner.

as far as money versus pay Newman takes the title.....

if there was a tape to show CB’s how NOT to play DB in this league, Newman is firmly entrenched as the star.

I'm talking about being a QB's best friend.
they could`ve gotten a Bozo the clown blow up doll

stuck him out there..you know the one that you knock down but he bounces back up!!! I bet he would have made more plays and…I`m almost sure the bozo clown would not have run out of bounds and be the first one to touch the ball on that punt. The difference 1.2 million for Ball and 19.99 for Bozo.

Should I be impressed or scared that you know how much Bozo the blow up doll costs?
1.2 mil

that was money well stolen. I can cover just as bad for half that and Im sure I would be a lot more popular in the locker room.

That is if your name holds true!!!

Zing***

I know.

Some screen names just make the imagination soar . . .

touché

but with that money I could have work done

only if you think you need it and not becuz some idiot tells you that you do....
I just thought of a good backup qb

David Garrard. Good veteran backup. What do you guys think?

I'd like that

good guy, mobile enough to be similar to Romo.

I disagree.

It is time to fish or cut bait with our qb’s. If McGee is not the future, cut him and go after another kid who you think might be. I like Romo, but he is getting up there, and now is the time to look to the future.

this will be mcgee's fourth year

very much agree with gunsup. either mcgee is ready or not. if he is, then find a new rookie project, and if not, then get rid of him, sign a vet and a new rookie project.

McGee blows

Let him go, get a late rd QB project and bring in a veteran FA backup

I agree with both of you

which is why i want to bring in a guy like Garrard. Because I don’t think McGee cuts it. Sign Garrard and bring in another young guy to see what they have.

Thas sounda about right.

I’m tired of this lack of depth crap. I know we can’t have all pros at every positiion, but it seems that other teams do just fine when a starter misses playing time. Why do the Cowboys always fail when the least of their players is hurt. Heck the Giants had to reshuffle their O-Line and Secondary. The offense and defense has been on fire for them since.

thats a ? for the GM to answer.....
Romo may be getting up there,

but he’s at the top of his game and has at least 3-4 more good years in him.

Isn't Garrard

Still sort of questionable with his health?

Maybe, i haven't heard

I know he had back surgery at some point during the season.

I heard his interview

he’s ready now, but was not ready for a lot of the season and had to turn teams down.

McGee is fine as the backup for another year...

I would however sign a QB to actively compete with him for that spot. If he wins that competition kudos to him. If not then cut your losses and move on. Depending on what happens in Miami I think Matt Moore would be a very good pickup as far as backup to Tony.

The typical thing to do

is have a very experienced vet as the primary back-up. That’s my sole point. If it’s time to cut McGee, so be it.

Too much $$$
I dont think so

He’s not going to sign any where as a starter so he will be signing as a back up somewhere.

I think he's a lot like

Matt Moore. He’s played some pretty good final pre-season games. He just needs more playing time. With Romo being Mr. I can play with one lung guy, it’s hard for him to get any time. Don’t you think that if he wasn’t able to make the plays in practice that the coaches would be on to it and make the change?

Sure I do.

But they didn’t think he was good enough to be better than Kitna. They know more than we do for sure, so they’ll do what is needed.

matt moore

The eagles will need a back up when vince young leaves and matt moore is from the philly area. He would go there if they expressed interest because its his hometown.

I'd rather have Matt Moore here

He’s capable when put in a decent system. We actually had him at the beginning so I thought he might want to come back.

I want no part of David Garrard
is there another backup out there

you would rather have?

I'd rather draft Russell Wilson or Kellen Moore

IF Romo goes down for the season, we should use it as an opportunity to position ourselves for Matt Barkley as our long term QB once Romo’s contract expires-sorry but I think that’s how this team needs to view 2012 Roll with Romo and hope for the best. After all, this is a 3 year rebuilding project.

Both are under 6', although they have talent. Wilson is a highly regarded 2nd baseman thought

so I think he’ll opt for baseball.

He went to Wisconsin to improve his draft stock
I don't like that idea

i think he is a horrible QB. he looked his best playing our secondary….which isn’t saying much.

I don't think he's horrible

and Im not saying he’s great. If were that good he would be a starter somewhere. But I think he would be an ideal backup. He had a few good years with the jags. We don’t need him to be great. We just need someone to hold the fort down if Tony misses an extended period of time. Much much much rather have him than McGee.

I think the 2009 Pro Bowl would beg to differ

Garrard will be a very good backup for us if we went that route. He’s mobile and has produced at a very high level before. I’m sure he would be a better option than Stephen “Check Down” McGee

Stephen McGee had no time and no practice with the starters the week he played one of the more aggressive defenses in the league...

before condemning him for not taking chances why not give him an actual shot with a week of practice with the starters and an offensive line that isn’t giving him time to throw.
McGee has shined in preseason, knows the offense, and has shown an ability to rally the team when given the oppurtunity.

The two games he played in last year being prime examples. If we aren’t down by 14 due to kitna’s ints against Arizona, we win that game due to how McGee played when he came in. Then actually getting time to prepare he did win the game against the Eagles in the last game of the season. Yes it was against the second string, but if you looked at our players playing, we had a lot of second string players also.

he is still fairly young, and if Romo missed any time IMO hes better then Mcgee
a lot better
I just don't think McGee can think fast enough for the pro's.

He got a good enough arm, but he can’t make the right decision fast enough to get the job done.

how about B.Quinn?
not bad

I would be ok with that. But I would rather have someone that is proven.

Is he still playing?
backed up Tebow this year
He did suddenly fly out

To see his girlfriend when she suddenly got hurt doing gymnastics (I think shes with the US team). I thought he had retired at that point.

That's a great idea.

Quinn looked good in Denver when he was given a chance.

Perfect solution

1) Don’t bring back Elam
2) Don’t bring back Lumpy or Dockery
3) Sign Landry
4) Sign Nicks, Draft DeCastro

who is going to play corner?
Lumpy
Maybe move him to NT?

Or maybe Costa? He spent enough time in our backfield.

just thought of Lumpy back peddaling

I can’t stop laughing.

can you see the fat jiggling as he back pedals?
But man, if he makes contact with a WR going across the middle....
lights out baby
Does Lumpy know how to do Shawne Merriman's sack dance?

If Lumpy played DB and knocked a WR on his backside, he needs todo that dance.

If Alex Barron was blocking Holland , Holland would be like Suh

Draft a corner. You don't need a 1st rd pick at Corner

you can use the 2nd rd pick on one

If Kirkpatrick is there you take him though. there arent many CBs like him this year.
Are you kidding, Dre was just arrested again for possesion.
yep scratch him off your wish list
Yeah I just saw that. Stupid ass kid! Guess you cant fix stupid.
You definitely can't fix stupid
I know this is going

to sound somewhat perverse but this almost a good thing for the Cowboys. (Sue me I’m an optimist.) Think about it for a minute. The NFL had Pacman Jones playing for the Bengals. We’ve got the dog killing felon with the 100 mil contract in Philly, and the other felon that can’t shoot straight playing wideout for the Jets. We need corners like a baby needs milk and Janoris Jenkins and Fitzpatrick are going to fall? I can’t get but so mad at that.

Now the true moralists out there, I hear you. Trust me, I get it. WKGs, blah, blah,blah etc . There is the other side of the equation though that says we would never have had a chance at these guys if they were smart right? Also, they will be tested for drugs at least twice before the draft. Right? I mean kids with marijuana possession. Really??!! And let’s face it. Jenkins and Fitzpatrick ARE going to play in the NFL. But for you guys out there that saw our secondary last year, just for chuckles I say, supposed we could get them both? I would be scared as hell but I could also have a sexy party.

It's not just the true moralist out there that might be hestitant to drafting him.

Now, I’m not saying that drafting him should be ruled out completely, but, this was an awfully dumb move on his part. And it’s the stupidity of the move that makes me hesitant. Talent doesn’t always make up for being dumb.

I would not put Jenkins in the same light as Dre

Due to the timing of this arrest and when his court date and senticing will be could have major ramifications. This is not a first offense so he may have to due jail time. Also once he is drafted he falls under the CBA and any conviction of guilt would put him in violation of both the leagues substance abuse and personal conduct polcies so he could be facing suspension also.

I did not read

the news report about his arrest so I have no idea what the circumstances are for Dre. Do you or anyone have a link about his arrest?

Sorry, I got the news from the team I contract scout for this season.

They do not even want to see a scouting report on him. He is off the thier board.

good to seeya BD...was hoping to see your insight about the prospects this year...

do you think Minnifield from UVA is going to be available to us in the second round or would we have to move up to get him?

That is who I am penciling in right now for my 2cnd pick for my mock draft

I really like the him.

the more i read about him the more I like him...

unlike the other higher ranked blue chippers no character issues, seems to be a decent ballhawk, and has the size that we really need…there was some mention that he could even move to FS becuz he isn’t a liability against the run…

I think if ur gonna draft someone

draft them to play the position they know & were successful at cause i can’t think of any recent success this team has had when trying to move a player to another spot.

i would agree with you...

was just mentioning what was said on CBS draft page about him….they also said that he could be a safety prospect if his lack of top end speed is a problem with him playing outside in the pros….he’s a ballhawk, has good instincts, and isn’t afraid to stick his nose in there….maybe a new coach could have better success in helping him make the change….

There are 2 fanshots, the top one has the link for details.

Basically he was riding in a truck with a buddy. The cops pulled them over for driving on the wrong side of the road and smelled pot. The drug dog said druids were in the car so they searched it. A bag of pot was in Dre’s floorboard next to his foot, but the driver buddy told cops it was his. Both were arrested.

Look at the bright side, one or both may last into round 2.
Kind of how I

was looking at it.

Kirkpatrick?
I would be scared as hell but I could also have a sexy party.

hahaha

If we got Jenkins and Kirkpatrick

that might make me do a dance until ESPN and NFLN all rip Jerry Jones for going after shinny questionable character skill position players.

here's looking at you Dre ....lol

I guess

the Pooch has never seen Plaxico Burress. Shooting your own self, in public, in a state with a mandatory 3 year sentence for simply carrying the weapon is the winner for me.

Man that's Brilliant. Here he is 3 months away from the most important day of his life and he's busted for possession. EFFing GENIUS.
Birddog26 question please. Read your comments on J Jenkins in a earlier thread

and was wondering where you would place him on a CBs only list? Has he really changed enough to rate a 1st round selection? Not trying to put you in a corner,just a question. Thanks!!

Really need to see him at the combine

Right now I would rate him as an early second round pick. I think if he can come into the combine at 195Lbs abd no loss of speed he will move up on the boards. I think he will do good in the interviews and show he has attoned for his conduct. Now I do not make draft choices, just grade and advise on players so he may drop in the draft. Right now as far a prior history I would put him in the same boat as Bruce Irvin. Young guys who made mistakes and have gotten on the right path.

I personally would love to get Jenkins in the 2nd or 3rd(imo a steal). Thanks a ton.
if this years draft is deap in Guards, then why not get a C in Fa

pass on Nicks get a center and hopefully DeCastro is there at 14. 1 of the Yuglies should man the other Guard spot. Raf has a post about this as well.

FA to keep

L Robinson
Fiametta
Spencer on the cheap or if theres no other options
Tellus on the cheap
Elam on the cheap or if theres no other options

Good thought

I think we could get either in FA, a center or OG. Perhaps both. But I think the market for youngish centers in FA is much thinner.

Will the Cowboys draft Romo's replacement this year?

It’s suppose to be a good crop of QBS.

I am sure they will wait until he is retired by injury.
They may, but he'll have to sit for 5 years.
More like 3, if Romo stays healthy.
Only think Romo has 3 years left?

We shore up that offensive line, he could play 5-7 more. Even if we don’t, I still think it’s closer to 5.

he'll be 32 in april
How old is Peyton Manning?

And Tony is better than Favre…look how long he played effectively.

sure, some qbs play late into their 30s, but it's noy the norm
Agree. But I also think Romo is special.

He is in that category as long as he gets protection like Manning does.

Ok, but would you rather be like GB and have a young QB ready to take over

or like Dallas after Troy?

I didn't disagree with drafting our future QB this year.

I just said that he better be prepared to sit for a few years. Just like Rogers did.

Maybe someone like

Brandon Weeden or Case Keenum would work. They should be available in the 3-4 rounds.

Weeden is 28
And he'll be 29 next season.
That's why a third or fourth round pick may work

You don’t want that star player who expects to start this year.

Why waste a pick on Weeden if he'll be 33 or more before he can play?
Russell Wilson!
After Luck and Griffin, there's not much left

Tannehill (eh no thanks). Darron Thomas (NOOOO!). Weeden (too old). Maybe, I’ll consider taking Russell Wilson or Kellen Moore as 5th or 6th round prospect.

Keenum's numbers are ridiculous.

How come he isn’t mentioned much?

system, weak opposition

and getting drubbed by USM at home isnt a good way to play in the C-USA championship game

40 years ago Dallas won their 1st SB.
i was -4 i was watching it with God on his HUGE couch.
i remember seeing you there

I was – 4 as well

mhmmmm if memory serves me right, which at this point im not entirely convinced of.......

i was 12 and grand elusions of Roger the dodger as capt america….. hahahahaaa

Y'all are making me feel old now.....
i was -4 i was watching it with God on his HUGE couch.
Still remember Lilly

Chasing Bob Griese all over his end of the field before he sacked him for a huge loss.
I was defending our country in an Army Band.

29 yard loss. We win 24-3.

The next season, the Dolphins went 17-0.

Amazing stat from that game -

17 future HoF’ers participated.

I remember it like it was yesterday.

Problem is, I can’t remember yesterday.

wow my parents were like 2 years old
Trade Down

Draft Janoris Jenkins, Sign Nicks, Maybe Barron slides into Round 2. Resign Williams, Holley, Fi, Our team just got a TON better

That's the thing, a team can improve by 4-5 wins a year

just by adding 3-4 players at need positions. As long as we get the right players.

Resign Williams?

Not Roy I hope>>>

What Williams do you want to resign? Teddy Williams?
I would resign Robinson for the right price, otherwise I'm sure Radway, Dwayne Harris, and Andre Holmes can fight for the third spot

Other than that we don’t need to resign any of those people.

I would like to get Michael Griffin, Mario Williams, and get a legit center.

The way I see it is we can sign Griffin to a 5 year 30-35 million dollar contract. Mario to a 6 year 70 million dollar contract and a center for about 4 million a year. Stephen can structure them in such a way so the biggest cap hit for those contracts will be next year when are dead space clears up.

Think about this 4-3 lineup

Mario – Lissemore – Rat – Ware
…..Butler – Sean Lee – Carter

When we bring 5 guys Butler and Carter can switch off being the blitzing linebacker. Or we can got to a 3-4 lineup situationally with Mario Williams playing DE and Butler and Ware playing the OLBs.

Moving to such a defense would give Ryan a lot to play around with, and if I remember correctly he coached a 4-3 in Oakland.

I really like the 4-3 idea

but do you really trust Radway, Harris, or Holmes to be the #3? THey have a combined ZERO catches. Not saying we should break the bank on Robinson but if they dont resign him they will have to go our and get someone else.

And Robinson has had constant injury issues before last season

we already have two starters. At some point you are going to have to let your young players fight it out.

Just like anything else

The only way you know what you have is to give them a shot. Imagine if Ogletree had not gotten any real time, they probably would have been willing to give him a decent contract before this season ended.

i think resigning Robinson sets our wr#3 plus it causes Dez and Miles to pick it up .
and we can run the west coast on O
i like this idea
Mario Williams is

not a SOLB. Teams will be running wheel routes past him all day.

Tell that to Wade Phillips

but read my 4-3 post right below that

I like the 4-3 idea

better than Mario on the outside having to cover RBs. However, you gave him Ware money to be here. We were #7 in sacks last year. We can’t cover people. We had like 4-5 rushing TDs. We need linemen that can block for our running AND passing game. I’ll take Michael Griffin for the secondary.

love me some mchael griffin
you wont see mario here, he doesnt like playing olb in 3-4
Colts fire Caldwell.
Peyton's daddy probably called up

and told management to fire him.

As he told management that he and Caldwell were friends and how he wanted him back, I doubt it.
Who does Indianapolis hire to come in and mentor Andrew Luck?
Leaf
Where is he now?

I saw a documentary on him a few years ago, then he coached at some small college where it snows a lot in the middle of no where.

He had a smile on his face throughout the documentary, but you could tell he was dead inside.

Saw him a couple months ago on the Dan Patrick show

and I swear the guy is screwed in the head.

He wore the Star.
and to think he was our best starting qb that year.

Close call between him and Clint Stoener

You didn't like Drew Henson and Chad Hutchinson?
oh you meant 2001
have to give the guy credit tho...

watching him throw that ball on a rope for 40 yards was quite a sight….can see why people loved his arm strength….too bad he wasn’t right in the head…

I bet he glad Russel came along and took his crown.
Russel?
JaPurpledrink Russell

Former QB for the Raiders and all-time biggest QB bust…

that would be Purple "drAnk
Akili Smith gets some consideration.
sorry Purple Drank takes the crown

not only was he a knucklehead in college, he carried that over in the pros.

Got what 60 million guaranteed? Think the lightest he ever weighed was 265 pounds. Had a cannon but a terrible throwing motion that took him 2-3 seconds of windup. Didnt learn anything. Also was a jerk to the media like the numerous times he tried to lie about his weight and would try and speed out the parking lot to avoid questions. And of course the rampant codeine addiction.

sure there is plenty of stuff i’m missing but i dont follow the raiders. that should be a reason within itself

plus when you are one of the biggest reaons for causing

a league wide lockout, due to the fact that you busted…yeah russell takes the cake

Last I read

He was teaching golf somewhere.

That would be awesome
A question for you Tom...

Have you given thought to, and would you like to share, how the Transition and Franchise tags might be applied to the current crop of UFAs in a way that benefits or protects the team?

I don’t know the particulars or the limitations of the designations, but it seems like there might be a way or two to keep options open and at the same time control have some final control over player movement.

I’m interested in your thoughts.

Just got to your comment (sometimes work does interfere)

Haven’t thought about it. Offhand, Robinson is the only one I could see using either tag on, and I don’t know that the team could justify the price for him based on one good season. Besides that, I think they will be able to come to an affordable deal with him, given what he has been saying. No one else seems a likely candidate here.

They cannot sign him until the FA period begins due to the CBA and paying the vetran minimum this year

I would expect a deal to be done in the first day or two of free agency with him. He really fits this scheme well and he did great in the same scheme with Norv and the Chargers during the preseason. I think he has learned that most times it is matching skills with offensive schemes to make the most of your career.

I agree. I wouldn't use either tag on any of them.

Wanted to post earlier, but he wasn’t interested in anyone else’s thoughts until he heard from you.

I'm curious how you knew that.
Smart observation on his part.

I think he realizes this may be a situation he cannot duplicate in most NFL teams, and it is better to get a nice paycheck in a scheme you can likely succeed in that to go for a big payout and have a rotten performance.

Fairly simple way to approach this

Assess the group and grade them:
1) Grading: Sucks to Below Avg to Past Expiration date – Ball, Brooking, Elam, James, Walker, Kitna. Morris, Tree
Likely we’ll add TNew to this designation, even though he’s not a FA

2) Grading: JAG to Average to OK – ’Tellus, Dockery, Spencer, Fiametta
Costa, Coleman, Kosier have potential here as well

3) Grading: Decent to Above Average – Holland, McBriar(TBD w injury), Robinson

4) Worth keeping for further assessment – Geathers, Parnell

Group 1 – Cut ties
Group 2 – Next in line to cut, when you have a decent alternative
Group 3, 4 – Keep

Lather, rinse, repeat. If you do this well enough, often enough, you may actually eliminate Group 1. Then you raise the bar for the entire organization. Of course, I may not make it that long.

disagree with Kosier...

he was playing with a bum foot for most of the year and did a superb job against Suh when we played detroit. He has another solid year in him but after next he’s probrably gone.

OT: Dre Kirkpatrick on marijuana possession...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/17/likely-first-round-pick-dre-kirkpatrick-arrested-for-marijuana-possession/

Woahh...
Dre is like Dez at cornerback
Dez has never been arrested
Right

But Dez’s unarrested streak can’t go on forever….if he keeps it up, eventually.

Dez doesnt really do anything.

He’s just under the media microscope.

Dez isn't a criminal
+1

Being stupid doesn’t make you a criminal……………………..thank god.

Dez does have any kind of a drug problem

I remember reading somewhere, that Jerry won’t sign a player if he has a drug problem.

You just can’t with the possible suspensions.

Why do

the Cowboys have so many pathetic beat writers. Jean- jacque whatever spends his time talking shit about them all the time, as does the majority of them. So annoying.

pisses me off too

but they do it to get hits on there articles. People love to hate the Cowboys.

LOL-Bennett... I can just imagine how quickly this guy is gonna be re-signed in a Callahan offense

Nobody can block like Bennett especially in the Redzone… this guy is insane. If I was Callahan he’s the 1st guy I would re-sign along with Kosier, Dockery or Holland. We need at least 1 of those guys, hopefully Holland. There will be a big push for a CB and OG being drafted early. I wouldn’t be surprised if we draft a WR early either.

Anyway, my point is… Martellus, Fiammetta & Demarco/Jones could be a sweet running game, but you can’t have any holes… sorta like our Championship teams of the 70’s & 90’s.

MartyB has stated he's testing the market.
Just don't ask him to catch the market.
I don't want the Market anywhere near Marty B's hands.

There’s no telling what might happen? Oh wait, we’re talking about FA market.

if he's cheap, I would be alright with having him back

he’s young and a fierce blocker. But the contract has to be real cheap

i'm still wondering where's that rookie MartyB.

that jump ball he snatched over Landry vs the Skins… his future just looked so bright, i don’t know if it is him to blame or Garrett for not utilizing his huge frame and skill set.
and by that i’m not talking about rapping :)

he won't stray from playing with his college QB... unless they are going to endorse his fashion gig
Is Shawne Merriman a free agent?

We coimuld probably get him for the league minimum, and have him play opposite Ware. He wouldn’t have any pressure to be the main guy to register sacks, it might just work.

Yes I know it’s crazy, but sometime you have to think outside the box.

could*
No

Buffalo locked him up for a few seasons.

oh ok. cross him off my list of possible 1 yr rent a vets
He's old hurt and done, no thanks
Muhammad Ali is 70 today.

The greatest heavy wieght of all times.

Float like a butterfly and sting like a bee!
Rumble young man rumble. Ali BOOMBAYE!!!
Its so sad the current state he is in
Way too many blows to the head.
and fighting 15 rounds every 2 months
Holley is the RKG.

We need more players with his attitude AND abilities. Posters talk about the Cowboy Way. Holley walks it, talks it, and plays it. If this regime throws him away they can give up all claims to having a “process” that leads to a Cowboy Way. No excuse for his dismissal will be acceptable. Back up what you preach Garrett.

All Holley does is make plays.

It amazes me that he doesn’t get more playing time.

with his height he would be a dangerous player in the redzone...

line him up with Dez and have the defense try to determine which one the fade is going too…course that would only work if we actually threw fade passes…..

He is slow and not all that athletic.
Who have you been watching?

Didn’t see him outrun the entire 49er’s defense in overtime this year? All he does is make big plays at crucial times.

No, he did not outrun the entire SF defense. He got run down from behind and tackled inside the ten after being wide open on busted coverage.

Had he outrun the entire 49er’s defense in overtime he would have scored and there would have been no need to kick the FG to win, right?

Who have you been watching? Not Jesse Holley, that much is crystal clear, so who exactly have you been watching?

The guy plays with energy, gives himself up on special teams, has the rags to riches story, so I get why he is a fan favorite, but he is not outrunning anybody.

Using that San Fran play as an example ask yourself this: does a healthy Miles Austin get Caught from behind? Dez? Laurent Robinson?

Schefter

Adam Schefter is reporting on twitter that Nicks is going to test the market and be the most sought after OG on the market.

The Dolphins said they are going to go fast and hard after him.

Sounds kind of sexual.

I just now realized that Alan Ball is a millionaire.
Life just ain’t fair.

Center = Chris Myers

Bunting had strong comments about him on Raf’s site and made a strong argument for getting a FA center for best value. Draft DiCastro, let Holland, Nagy, Arkin, Kowalski, Dockery, and Costa fight it out for the other guard and backup center/guard spots. Focus the rest of the draft on defense and a developmental QB. Use undrafted free-agents to fill the other spots.

His name has come up in conversation with some of the OLine coaches and scouts I know

All think he way underrated in the NFL and really like him.

Not sure he could get out of his contract with ESPN.
I am on the SIGN CHRIS MYERS bandwagon!

Let everyone else fight for the 2 OG spots plus maybe draft one in the 3rd to fight with the others. So Kosier, Holland, Nagy, Arkin, Kowalski, Costa plus a Draft Pick fight for the 2 G spots and the back-up C spot.

too small for our division

285 lbs

and he's thirty, sign young not old
random question

is there any chance Holley can play DB?

IDK

but I would be that HE wouldnt be auditioning for a job as a hurdle in London this summer unlike some people we have on the team

he does play ST and has shown an ability to catch....maybe FS?
My long overdue two cents......

I haven’t posted in about six years, but I read this site almost every day, it’s the best! I would love to see the team continue the o-line rebuilding this year, kinda tired of seeing Romo run for his life every game. I’m a big Aikman fan, but you put Romo on that ‘92-’95 team and they would have still won three or four Super Bowls. They only have three keepers on defense (Ware, Ratliff and Lee), the rest are works in progress or jags. Jerry is the root of all evil on this team, but the last two years the drafts have been decent, hope he doesn’t get the trading itch again. He keeps talking about the “talent” on this team, but have you noticed that when a player goes to another team, for whatever reason, they usually don’t do well. I like Garrett, but his time management and play calling are suspect, hope Callahan can help with that somehow. And please God, let us just have one placekicker this year. Keep up the good work, Gentlemen!

Welcome back.

I’m throwing you a “return to the fold” rec.

The economics of free agency

Everyone knows (players, agents and front offices) that the 2nd contract is THE contract where players seek the greatest deal of money (no brainer there). Those listed above who fit that definition included Bennett, Spencer and Robinson. Robinson should be 1st priority while Bennett and Spencer will be made offers (low) and will probably see what else they can get.

The REAL value in free agency is in seasoned vets. Holland should be kept for league minimum (no one else is gonna offer that – the guy was on the street prior to the season starting). Same for Mcbriar and Bradie James. All three offer quite bit (leadership, veteran knowledge of the position and knowledge of the playbook). All three could be like player/coaches for their positions. And all three could be cut if needed down the road.

Forget about Nicks – best bet would be to draft DeCastro and sign Tracy Porter or Terrell Thomas to decent contracts (4 yr / $20-25 million) w/ lot of upfront money to be paid while the Boys evaluate their fit (much like they did w/ Sensy and Elam).

And, whatever they do, do NOT go after Mario Williams. He’ll be WAY too expensive and is really a 4-3 DE (not a 3-4 OLB convertee like Ware).

Tracy Porter does absolutely nothing for me.

All we need is another average to below average corner who gets hurt all the time. There’s a lot better options out there

The Cowboy Mercenary Culture.....

is worse than most teams by a wide margin. Too many deadmoney contracts, the worst reactions to contract extensions I’ve ever seen as a rule. A bunch of posers all over the place.

Examples? Ware and Raliff are good players but hugely over contracted. It sets a terrible example as did Roy Williams and M. Barber. Austin and the O-line for years. Newman? Same groin injury for three years running to skip most of camp, it’s a joke.

Greenbay and NO are going down the money pit this year as well, just watch. It isn’t a unique problem but some teams have a better idea about mitigating it than the Cowboys. I agree; NO FA MAJOR SIGNINGS. Increase the number of contracts signed and cut or trade far more players.

Dallas = Country Club culture.

Ware is over contracted?

Ware is easily one of the Top 5 Pass rushers in the league, plus is one of the best run stoppers…and and will make 5.5 million per year in 2012…..

Ratliff has a contract that gives him 18 million guaranteed (Compare that to the 40 million guaranteed that Suh got as a Rookie)

as far as Austin Goes yes he dealt with Injuries this year, but so did alot of other WR’s (Andre Johnson). I don’t see those fans clamoring to cut/trade those players off…..

Next time try doing some research, before making a wild claim…I even gave you a link to one that I use….

not to mention the contract that Ratliff got was in part to make up for him overplaying his last contract....

he earned the backpay and I honestly have no problem with him getting what he rightfully earned. When Jerry gets it right sometimes it earns loyalty and respect from the players. Where Jerry has gotten it wrong is when it comes to rewarding potential instead of play…

"he earned the backpay"

Buy low, sell high. If he could have walked he would have, that’s the business of this. Your attitude reflects the weakness of the organization, buying “names” and a weak supporting cast. Why? The payroll is top heavy, has been since the championship resignings.

Raliff is yesterday’s news. The same people who whine about Newman, Barber, Davis, Columbo can’t seem to connect the dots to the management culture. Some of these people should have been traded for new players at optimal times.

This is why the Cowboys need 7-8 more starters this year.

Yes, over contracted......Top Heavy Payroll

We can disagree but the facts are these;

79 million for Ware, 48 million for Raliff, 50 million for Austin, 50 million for Newman.

3.5 million for Lee for 4 years.

Sorry I’d rather 5 more comparable talents to Lee than one Raliff, that’s exactly the type of choice that was and has historically been made by the Cowboys. Your salary cap quote is a joke, you have to factor the bonus money because that is what becomes “dead money”. What I wouyld really like is a link to a site that tracks dead money, that would confirm my point….. Cowboys are among dead money leaders the past five years.

The average fan is stupid, stars sell tickets which when you spend a billion on a stadium is important. If it was more about winning championships you would have a higher turnover, lower guaranteed team. That’s my point.

Lee was a 2nd draft pick that had injury worries due to his knee and was an unkown

But when those 4 years are up, he’ll get a much bigger contract because he will have shown that he can play at a high level and hasn’t had much trouble with that knee. The only talented players that get small contracts like Lee’s are rookies who have just been drafted. And since you only get so many draft choice each year, so, you can’t expected to have a team of rookies. And players like Lee, once their contracts are up and they hit free agency, they will get paid a lot more.

About picks and salary

It usually isn’t the second contract that buries the Cowboys, it’s the third. It isn’t that I was against signing Ware, I’m talking about a pattern of past due players coasting on the final deal. For a pile of picks I would trade Ware and and Raliff (even more so) and reinvent the Cowboy culture. JJ had more sense when he bought the team. I’m not saying Ware and Raliff are bad players but the decision to have them is why the supporting cast is so poor. JJ would argue that the rewards are encouragement to the “want-a-bees”, a lottery system where you put the work in and are eventually rewarded. No surprise Newman, Barber, Williams, Columbo in different degrees behaved like lottery winners after the final deal. Worse is the relative value of these names were always overstated off the Cowboy reservation. That equal poor or no trade value after they won the lottery.

Some of these players could have been traded for picks, it’s about systematically accumulating picks……forever. Better to pay performance bonuses than upfront guarantees. it still will come to the same cap number for all I care, the culture would be different. The current team smells like aging three time champs on the way out when in fact none of this has happened to this team.

Umm I hate to tell you this...

oh wait, Actually it gives me great pleasure, but those Figures mean nothing…the ket thig to look at are signing bonus+guarenteed money which alot of the time are the same….

Ware’s contract contained 40 miilion guaranteed 20 of that was in his signing bonus

Ratliff has only 18million guaranteed, and while I am not sure how much was in signing bonus, I imagine most of it was….

Austin contract has basically no gauranteed money prior to this year:

Signed a seven-year, $57.168 million contract. The cap-conscious deal contains $18 million guaranteed — no signing bonus but all of Austin’s whopping $17.078 million first-year base salary. 2011: $8.54 million, 2012: $1.15 million, 2013: $6.732 million, 2014: $5.5 million, 2015: $6.888 million, 2016: $11.38 million, 2017: Free Agent

after restucture=ing this past Offseason Austin converted his 2011 salasy into a signing bonus(adds 8.54 million in gauranteed money to his contract prorated as a signing bonus)

Newman is the only example you gave that has a “bad contract”. Here are the details:

Signed a six-year, $50.2 million contract extension through 2014. The deal contains $22.5 million guaranteed, including a $12 million signing bonus. 2011: $8 million, 2012: $6.016 million, 2013: $7,600,417, 2014: $7.5 million, 2015: Free Agent

I would suggust again doing research before stating a player is “overpayed” of those 4 players you gave only Ratliff and Newman aren’t likely to reach the end of thier contract, and Only Newman will significantly affect the cap once cut.

Ratliff, on the other hand will play for at least 3-4 more years, which means that more than likely at worst Ratliff only plays for Dallas 3 years and his entire 18 million is signing bonus, Dallas will have a 10 million “dead money hit” which even then could be spread out over two years(june 1 designation I think it is a 20/80 split) and that is the worst case scenario(IMO) most likely Ratliff will play about 5 more years which would take up most of the guaranteed portions of the contract leaving Dallas with maybe a 2-3 million “cap hit” which should Ratliff retire could be voided out if i am not mistaken.

Missing the point, again

It isn’t about just the examples I put up. Or that some of the players are producing more than others. It’s about a poor lottery, top-heavy, big name culture that doesn’t win games and always leaves the team short players.

If Ratliff has value, trade him that would be a positive. Ware has suffered enough as well, trade him to NY for #1 picks. There are simply not enough players on defense for very likely the reasons I’ve stated.

Do we have a site that tracks dead money over the years? Are you saying I’m incorrect in my assumption? Dallas is a leader in deadmoney, overpaid and top heavy payroll comp issues. It’s too bad only better players will warrant draft compensation but WHAT DOES THIS TELL YOU!?? I’m correct.

I also get sick of, and I’m not faulting you yet, talking about rebuilding a defense is like one of Stalin’s five year plans. Go get the draft picks, by trading older players who should have backups (bench rot issue another Cowboy special) and sign younger players of all types. Free the cap room, sign cheaper unknowns. TOO MANY LOTTERY WINNERS ON THIS TEAM.

As for Austin

I hope for a 1500+yards, 15 TD year and I would trade him then as well. His contract looks liquid for trading.

He doesn't want facts Ironman, he wants us to be like the Pats.

And trade off our vets to get picks for them instead of paying them.

Same deadend conversation......

as Ironman and I had years back over the declining oline he was spewing the ownership line. It should have been chopped up starting in 2008 at the latest.

Who doesn’t listen to who?

As for being the Pats in player management, who has more success the past 10 years? Who is more stable even with lousy drafts and poor FA signings?

It doesn’t have to be the most extreme but the Cowboys are the opposite extreme, clinging to past dated players all the time. Why don’t you admit or deny the specific points instead of making up “facts” as you go.

I dont think Ratliff will be on this team 5 years

maybe 3 which a position change.

Laurent Robinson, Fiametta(unless the head trauma thing is serious), Mcbriar(unless the drop foot has completely neutered him), Holley and kepp it moving

dont be weak Jerry, Romo, Ware, and Witten dont have as many years left this time for you to mangle the roster when opportunity presents itself to make serious upgrades

He's got time with those three guys.

At least 5 years.

I don't think Witten has that long.

I suspect he has 2-3 years. Ware 3-4. Romo is the only one I would think has a good chance to still be as effective as now, and that is not certain. It’s why the drafting and FA signings have to be right. We need to be looking ahead, not just plugging immediate holes.

Time line

For a couple #1’s do trade Ware? #1 and #3 for Raliff? Because of the money I don’t think these are doable at these prices.

The team is top heavy for years, it’s a huge problem. Can’t stand Ryan as coodinator.

Give Ryan a full offseason, draft, and FA period before you judge him.

Re-visit this next year at this time and I think you will change your mind.

Fiametta and Robinson, everybody else can walk unless they play for the minimum to compete for a spot in training camp

Nicks will be available, ESPN radio (I live in Saints territory) has reported he will not resign with the Saints. Now it’s just a matter of price

Bang for the bucks

If the Cowboys go after Carl Nicks, they will be spending about $8-9 mil. He’s a great player, but for a team with the amount of holes that the Boys have, is he worth it?

Re-sign Fiametta, Robinson, Holley, Holland, and if the money’s right Spencer, Marty B, and Elam.
Go out and get Chris Myers at C, Dan Connolly/Mike McGlynn at G. Sign a real NT like Soliai/Franklin so you can kick Rat to DE. A backup QB like Shaun Hill, or maybe take a chance on a Josh Johnson. Then, go into the draft looking for CB, OLB, G, S, ILB, and QB.

Nicks

Exactly the rat trap that the Davis, Kosier, Columbo signings lead to. Rather they keep moving the young FA’s and draft picks in the area. Elam should go at once, he’s terrible. Sensabaugh is very average as well, what kind of externsion was that?

I wouldn't pay top dollar for Nicks. I'm starting to lean in the direction of drafting a guard in the first two rounds.

I think a lot of the problems with the offensive line (unlike the rest of the team) was coaching, Houck was waaaaayyyyy over-rated and hated playing young players (guess he would have to do some actual coaching). I’m curious to see what Callahan thinks we have at guard and center in terms of Nagy, Arkin, and Kowalski.

Here is my thought on what I think Dallas should do:

Sign Mario Williams (should get ~10 million per year) and Possibly Cortland Finnegan or similar player(should get ~5-6 million per year)

That gives Ryan two Premier Players to play around with, in addition to Ware, Ratliff, and Lee.

In the Draft, Target the Following Players, Decastro(should be taken no earlier than 10th which would be the upper limit to my Trade up range) Konz,(if healthy and should be there in the 2nd)….if you held on to the 3rd, grab Zebrie Sanders(projected to go late 2nd early 3rd, by NFLDraftscout) as the Swing OT/OG.
That give you a young versatile O-line, plus good Depth, while Allowing Ryan to fully flesh out his scheme with two press Corners, and 3 excellent Passrushers(Ware, Ratliff, Williams)

Konz will absolutely not be there in the second, esp. not in the middle of the second

Plus, we need CB help, safety help, DE help

Free Agents

Robinson is the only must, signing Bennett might save a draft pick. Spencer should be under average comp.

There are 7-8 starters to be replaced or are on a serious bubble. 3 in the secondary, one or two LBs, one DE (maybe two). A guard should be replaced as well.

Frankly, if some of the vets could be traded for picks the team should do it. Some are untradeable at this point because of contract costs and age or the combination of both. Raliff, Spears, Hatcher, Sensabaugh, Scandrick could be moved for the right price but they may all have low trade values. Austin and F.Jones for a price. The team needs numbers, not so much moving up. Raliff, Sensabaugh and Scandrick were all poor extensions in my opinion. All are past peak with flaws. Mini-Newman’s or Barber’s, deadmoney being created before our eyes.

EXCUSE ME?

Cut Morris? WHY? As you point out, they can EASILY replace him in a year or two. The guy to get rid of is Felix “oh my poor lil (you fill in the blank) hurts!” Keep, Murray, Tanner AND Morris; and see what they can get for Felix!

Morris is like a hundred years old. Sign a young player to develop. Murray is the guy, Felix is okay as a change of pace
No he's not "like a hundred years old"

He COULD be used for a year or maybe two and IF you were WATCHING he was running much BETTER than Jones has for MOST his time with the Cowboys! Let Felix go hug somebody else’s BENCH!

Your CAPS key keeps getting STUCK.
Ha ha HA ha HA!
It's called EMPHASIS!
Yes, it's a rebuilding year

by not accepting reality the process only drags on longer. The same sort of denial went on when discussing a declining offensive line. Hence the process is serveral years behind. Same with Newman.

The real issue are the long-term deadmoney pit contracts. It can be traced to Dion Sanders and clinging to the Superbowl teams. Cowboys should trade 2-5 players a year as policy and keep banking draft picks. The Patriot, Pittsburg personnel models. The Cowboys are always gambling on “holding” players instead of trading and bringing in new people. Always cap strapped.

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